Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 20th Dec 2005 18:37 UTC, submitted by Robert Escue
IBM Unix isn't a flashy market. But what distinction there is has been going to Sun Microsystems lately, by making its Unix-based Solaris operating system available as open-source software. Last week, IBM moved to put its AIX Unix operating system back on everybody's radar by revealing plans to create a development center on its Austin, Texas, campus to speed up AIX development.
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RE[3]: One size fits all?
by cr8dle2grave on Tue 20th Dec 2005 23:41 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: One size fits all?"
cr8dle2grave
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2005-07-11

Huh? Linux does not drive "commercial competetion down the toilet". In fact according to IDC the overall Linux market is expected to reach over 35 Billion by 2008 and is the fastest growing segment of the global server market by a considerable margin. In any case, the conventional justification for competitive markets is not that it makes it easier to earn a buck, but rather that it makes it easier for the consumer to save a buck.

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RE[4]: One size fits all?
by Simba on Tue 20th Dec 2005 23:47 in reply to "RE[3]: One size fits all?"
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2005-10-08

"Huh? Linux does not drive "commercial competetion down the toilet"."

Of course it does. Look at what it did to commercial UNIX.

"segment of the global server market by a considerable margin."

No disagreement there. But the vast majority of the "global server market" running on Linux was never paid for in any way, shape, or form.

"In any case, the conventional justification for competitive markets is not that it makes it easier to earn a buck, but rather that it makes it easier for the consumer to save a buck."

Sure. And that's the conventional justification for those in the U.S. who claim that outsourcing to India, China, Russia, etc. is good for our economy. It makes it easier for consumers to save a buck. And yes, it does make it easier for consumers to save a buck. But it also puts people out of work, and causes factories to close, and companies to scale back on benefits, and give paycuts, and sometimes even go bankrupt.

So at what point does the consumer saving a buck become not worth the cost to other peoples welfare?

Edited 2005-12-20 23:50

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RE[5]: One size fits all?
by cr8dle2grave on Wed 21st Dec 2005 00:07 in reply to "RE[4]: One size fits all?"
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2005-07-11

_Of course it does. Look at what it did to commercial UNIX._

Efficient markets are a bitch. Compete or die.

_But the vast majority of the "global server market" running on Linux was never paid for in any way, shape, or form._

The "unpaid for" segment of the Linux market passes entirely under the radar screen. The measurable part of the market (the 35 billion dollar part) consists of that which is paid for.

_And that's the conventional justification for those in the U.S. who claim that outsourcing to India, China, Russia, etc. is good for our economy. It makes it easier for consumers to save a buck. And yes, it does make it easier for consumers to save a buck. But it also puts people out of work, and causes factories to close, and companies to scale back on benefits, and give paycuts, and sometimes even go bankrupt._

It is good for the economy. Perhaps not good for individual software engineers in the US (or widget welders in the rust belt), but good for the economy as a whole.

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addendum
by cr8dle2grave on Wed 21st Dec 2005 00:14 in reply to "RE[4]: One size fits all?"
cr8dle2grave Member since:
2005-07-11

_So at what point does the consumer saving a buck become not worth the cost to other peoples welfare?_

Theoretically such a tipping point may exist, but it hasn't been observed in practice. This is no different than all of the highly skilled craftsman put out of work in the earlier years of the 20th century by vastly more efficient industrial processes. Maturing markets may make for a bumpy ride at times, but thus far it still seems to be the road which leads to the greatest expansion of wealth and quality life for the greatest number.

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RE[5]: One size fits all?
by kaiwai on Wed 21st Dec 2005 05:50 in reply to "RE[4]: One size fits all?"
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2005-07-06

Of course it does. Look at what it did to commercial UNIX.

*looks around* hmm, I still see UNIX shipments growing, their margins aren't a high as they used to, but thats competition, UNIX is now being challenged, so they've lowered their price; considering that they're now shipping MORE UNIX systems than they did in the past, with a mild 2% drop in revenue, I'd say they're not doing too bloody bad considering the circumstances.

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