Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 28th Dec 2005 13:17 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu Jeff Waugh is an employee of Canonical Limited, the firm behind Ubuntu Linux. In his spare time he works on the GNOME window manager program. Jeff formerly was the release manager for GNOME. On November 7, 2005, Jeff Waugh was far away from his native and current home in Australia. He was at the University of Toronto in Ontario, Canada, as part of his BadgerBadgerBadger tour. Jeff offered his insights into GNOME and Ubuntu in a talk titled 'Running with Scissors'.
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Moulinneuf
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2005-07-06

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"Efforts were made as well to support as many name-brand laptops off the main install disk as possible. So, Canonical approached the various laptop manufacturers asking for laptops in exchange for them making sure that Ubuntu would work on as much of their hardware as possible. Canonical got free laptops, with machines going out to selective members and to the head of hardware testing, Matthew Garrett. Apparently Matthew no longer likes getting deliveries, as he now has a table covered with laptops. "

"there have been no hardware donations to the program."

Lets say that your in the right ( the article claim otherwise ) , thats a problem in itself , but more importantly the fact that your ( Ubuntu ) not fully partnering with the OEM brand means that you have access to only a limited selection of series of Laptop distributed by the top brand name.

"Basically we document what works out of the box"

In other words instead of trying out what the Laptop can do , your looking at what the distribution can do out of the box without knowing what all the parts of the machine is.

"Then the gurus get to work and make all laptops of that type work out of the box."

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam/ToshibaTecraA5-S116

"There are two versions of the A5"

Toshiba support seem to disagree with your assesment :

A5-S116
A5-S118
A5-S237
A5-S416
A5-S516
A5-S6215TD

Untested and no means that its now working ?

"This is better than ... the distro level"

Would you buy a house that work and is complete at 80% ?

The laptop testing team is thus NOT:

- Capable of reviewing there laptop and compare and search for others review.
- A place of discussion for people to share how they make there own hardware work , share driver and upgrade and so that hopefully they can help further GNU/Linux - Ubuntu by having it include in there newer release and development version the hardware that they themself have made working.
- Capable of building a complete tailor made OEM master for the Laptop they are testing.

"As for it being closed, absolutely not."

You see an open to all comment button or a suggest box beside getting authorized log in ?

"I think they got the biggest selling laptops"

There ( you ) supposed to get all the Laptop.

"But it does cover most major manufacturers."

Clevo : missing
Gateway : missing
...

Go to a Best Buy or Futurshop or Stapple or any store near where you live.

"most hardware working out of the box , The only piece of hardware that I know will not work in the SD card reader."

That answer dont cut it for the Laptop buyer , they whant there entire Laptop supported by there OS and they whant it installed and sold with the OS as default in store with support.

All the untested and no in your own Testing page seem to indicate that your not accurate or that you forgot to update your own testing page.

If its already so perfect how come there is no master CD or DVD for that model ?

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Moulinneuf if you have this laptop, why not test the untested parts for Breezy and Dapper? It would be a whole more helpful than the rant you just made. There are a lot of laptops with odd hardware.

The page you linked to actually shows that progress is being made. So it looks like the only point you have made is that you would rather whine than to help.

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Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

Anonymous ,

"if you have this laptop"

No , I dont , but that individual does , it whas provided to him by Canonical. But then again I whas talking about the entire Ubuntu Laptop process and not one individual , he decided to make it personnal , and you decided to do what you usualy do , harrass , categorize and insult me as a coward.

"why not test the untested parts for Breezy and Dapper?"

I am not paid to do so. I dont have the hardware , I also find it strange that he dont and as no access to any of it among other things.

"It would be a whole more helpful than the rant you just made."

I made a rant ? No , but as usual you differ in opinion with the reality of things , anonymous.

"There are a lot of laptops with odd hardware."

Thats an understatement in one way and its absolutely wrong in another. But then you yourself are never into beeing accurate.

"The page you linked to actually shows that progress is being made."

No , it showed that testing whas done with the stable and developement version.

"So it looks like the only point you have made is that you would rather whine than to help."

No , but then again the point I make always elude you.

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mjg59 Member since:
2005-10-17

"Lets say that your in the right ( the article claim otherwise ) , thats a problem in itself , but more importantly the fact that your ( Ubuntu ) not fully partnering with the OEM brand means that you have access to only a limited selection of series of Laptop distributed by the top brand name."

Some hardware has been provided by OEMs. Some has been purchased. Out of the 12 laptops I have here, it's about 50/50.

"In other words instead of trying out what the Laptop can do , your looking at what the distribution can do out of the box without knowing what all the parts of the machine is."

We test what the laptop can do, and then document how much of it works out of the box. We then concentrate on improving support for stuff that doesn't work.

"share driver and upgrade and so that hopefully they can help further GNU/Linux - Ubuntu by having it include in there newer release and development version the hardware that they themself have made working."

All the support code I've written has been submitted upstream. Most of it is already in the kernel.

"Capable of building a complete tailor made OEM master for the Laptop they are testing."

There's no need. Nothing's been special cased - if it's possible to drive the hardware using Ubuntu, then it'll work with the stock distribution. Maintaining 40 different OEM versions would be insane.

"You see an open to all comment button or a suggest box beside getting authorized log in ?"

The wiki is open to all. You need to register in order to be able to do so in order to reduce spam. Also, there's a mailing list at laptop-testing-team@lists.ubuntu.com and an IRC channel (#ubuntu-laptop on irc.freenode.org). How much more open do you want it to be?

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