Linked by Eugenia Loli on Fri 13th Jan 2006 04:28 UTC, submitted by Dan Warne
Apple Reports spreading across the web that Intel Macs can't boot Windows XP might be inaccurate. Intel Australia, while being careful not to comment on Apple's hardware specifically, says motherboards based on the Intel 945 chipset already support EFI and can boot Windows with no problems. The key appears to be whether Apple has included a "compatibility support module". Explored in more depth in this article at APC Magazine.
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Question
by Walter on Fri 13th Jan 2006 07:20 UTC
Walter
Member since:
2005-07-12

Can someone explain to me *why* I would pay (more) money for an Apple PC and have it run a Microsoft OS?

And for a reason like "Playing MS-based games" or "It's more compatible" I would like to dismiss these. When you choose an Apple, you already know these reasons and are prepared to sarcifice these for your own reasons.

No I don't have a Mac, but I am thinking about buying one.

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RE: Question
by rayiner on Fri 13th Jan 2006 07:22 in reply to "Question"
rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

If you were thinking about buying one, wouldn't not having to sacrifice these things make the decision much easier?

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RE[2]: Question
by Walter on Fri 13th Jan 2006 08:13 in reply to "RE: Question"
Walter Member since:
2005-07-12

For some people these are sacrifices, not for me. I do not game that much, and I chack my (external) hardware for compatability, send my documents in PDF format, etc.

So no sacrifice for me.

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RE: Question
by DevL on Fri 13th Jan 2006 08:25 in reply to "Question"
DevL Member since:
2005-07-06

"Can someone explain to me *why* I would pay (more) money for an Apple PC and have it run a Microsoft OS?"

For some silly reason you still need a Windows-specific application (or game) and don't want to run it emulated in Virtual PC or Q(EMU).

"And for a reason like "Playing MS-based games" or "It's more compatible" I would like to dismiss these. When you choose an Apple, you already know these reasons and are prepared to sarcifice these for your own reasons."

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss said reasoning. I for one like to play the odd game once in a while, but at the same time I loathe Windows for my daily work. So, having a Mac capable of running Mac OS X and Windows (only for games, mind you) would be great.

And those that aren't prepared to make the sacrifice need not = Apple gets more customers.

"No I don't have a Mac, but I am thinking about buying one."

Smart move, you won't regret it. I've got two by the way.

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RE: Question
by danwarne on Fri 13th Jan 2006 08:25 in reply to "Question"
danwarne Member since:
2005-09-04

Very simple... I am forced to use Windows at work because we have a number of custom applications that only work on Windows (and besides, there's no good way to access Exchange Servers on a Mac).

I have a shitty work PC which IT has been promising to replace for months but hasn't.

When I'm at home I choose to use OS X because I much prefer it to Windows and I don't need to run any Windows software at home.

If I get a MacBook Pro, I can use it at work as a Windows machine for my "office PC" and at home as an OS X machine for my "home Mac". Conceivably data could be shared between the two operating systems too.

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RE[2]: Question
by BlackJack75 on Fri 13th Jan 2006 09:23 in reply to "RE: Question"
BlackJack75 Member since:
2005-08-29

You could share easily, the same way as with a linux/windows machine. Just create a Fat32 partition for data exchange and you're set. Fat32 being the only format that most Operating systems can both read and write safely.

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RE[2]: Question
by mallard on Fri 13th Jan 2006 14:51 in reply to "RE: Question"
mallard Member since:
2006-01-06

there's no good way to access Exchange Servers on a Mac

Microsoft Entourage not good enough?

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RE: Question
by alcibiades on Fri 13th Jan 2006 08:42 in reply to "Question"
alcibiades Member since:
2005-10-12

You might like the hardware, without particularly liking OS X, and you might be prepared to pay a premium for it. People do that all the time with other things. The form factors are unique. Some don't particularly like all-in-ones, but if that's what you want, who else makes them? Similarly, where else are you going to find that particular laptop design other than from Apple?

Its not too different from people buying the machine they want, packaged with Windows, and then putting Linux on it. Happens a lot with Linux - you cannot find the one you want without a preload. Like, if you wanted the new Acer carbon fiber bodied ones, you'd have to buy with Windows preloaded.

The amusing thing about this question though, is surely going to be the chorus of people explaining to Walter that actually, Macs are the same price or cheaper. Should be fun. Start with the Acers, please!

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RE: Question
by theTSF on Fri 13th Jan 2006 13:05 in reply to "Question"
theTSF Member since:
2005-09-27

FYI. prices are competitive with Apple Products with DELL. I was wondering on the Price difference. So I matched similarly specked (I had to customize both to make them similar) laptops

Dell Inspiron 9400 $3,302
MacBook Pro $3,248

Now to be fare the Dell Inspiron did have a 17" display while the MacBook Pro was only 15. So I added the cost of the apple care program which is about the same as a size upgrade, when comparing older powerbooks of equal specs at different sizes.

Granted that with Dells and other PC you have a wider selection of options that allow you to customize them more closely to your budget. Vs. Apples one size fits group of people. But the Price of Apple Systems are about the same with as its equally match PC brethren.

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RE[2]: Question
by Deviant on Fri 13th Jan 2006 16:20 in reply to "RE: Question"
Deviant Member since:
2006-01-04

I don't know why I am letting myself get sucked into this but $3302 seemed really high for me from Dell (My company buys alot from them and keep myself aware of their various models pricing on a day to day basis).

A visit to Dell's Home site (without my discount) reveals the following. There is no Inspiron 9400 from what I can tell - There is the 9300 which is based on the Dothan Pentium-M and the E1705 which is the Yonah/Core Duo based one. Here is the pricing...

Dell E1705 Decked Out:
*Intel® Core™ Duo Processor T2400 (1.83GHz/667MHz FSB)
*Genuine Windows XP Professional
*TV Tuner w/ Remote Control
*17 inch Wide Screen XGA+ Display
*1GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 667MHz
*100GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive
*8x CD/DVD burner (DVD+/-RW) with double-layer DVD+R write capability
*256MB NVIDA® GeForce™ Go 7800
*Intel PRO/Wireless 3945 802.11a/g Mini Card (54Mbps)
*Dell Wireless 350 Bluetooth Internal(2.0 + Enhanced Data Rate)
*53 WHr 6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery
*1Yr Ltd Warranty, 1Yr Mail-In Service, and 1Yr HW Warranty Support

Total - $2,288

MacBook Pro:
*1.83GHz Intel Core Duo with 2MB shared L2 Cache
*15.4-inch TFT display with 1440x900 resolution
*1GB (single SO-DIMM) 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM
*100GB 5400rpm Serial ATA hard drive
*Slot-load SuperDrive (DVD±RW/CD-RW)
*ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 with 256MB GDDR3 memory
*Apple Standard 1 Year Mail in Warranty
Total - $2499

So the Dell comes with a bigger and better screen, a TV tuner and faster video and it comes in less. And, this is for their just introduced 1st gen Yonah platform - you go back to a 2Ghz Pentium M Dothan Inspiron 9300 configured as above (except for ATI X300/128MB graphics) and the price drops to ~$1700.

And - this is without any Dell discounts and there are usually coupons and discounts on top of these prices. My company is a Gold Partner with Dell and I get a EPP discount with Dell that knocks the E1705 as configured well down below the $2000 mark.

I like Mac laptops and, having a 12" PowerBook 64, I am willing to concede they have a better build quality than a Dell by a long shot. I am also willing to concede that iLife and OS X brings some value to the Mac. However, making out that it is cheaper than a Dell is just not true - Dell is always, and will always be, cheaper than an Apple for similar hardware and it is the one big thing they have going for them. They sell so many they make it up on the volume - they are the Wal-Mart of the PC industry.

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RE: Question
by chrish on Fri 13th Jan 2006 14:09 in reply to "Question"
chrish Member since:
2005-07-14

The only thing keeping me (and my wife, for that matter) from going all-Mac is gaming. Sad, but true. I've got a bunch of older games that have never been ported to OS X that I'm not willing to abandon, and my wife can't leave her Nancy Drew adventure games behind. :-)

- chrish

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RE[2]: Question
by ohhmaagawd on Fri 13th Jan 2006 14:20 in reply to "Question"
ohhmaagawd Member since:
2005-11-15

because apple makes the best hardware around.

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RE[3]: Question
by halfmanhalfamazing on Fri 13th Jan 2006 16:58 in reply to "RE[2]: Question"
halfmanhalfamazing Member since:
2005-07-23

You said :"because apple makes the best hardware around."

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE[3]: Question
by somebody on Fri 13th Jan 2006 16:59 in reply to "RE[2]: Question"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

because apple makes the best hardware around.

wow, mac zealots never stop

Time to face the harsh reality for you. It is a fsckin PC hardware, nothing more. Not best, not worst, just a fsckin ordinary PC hardware as any PC vendor out in the world, soon all PC notebooks will be Centrino duo. Some of them were even before Apple. Me personaly? Waiting for some Cell based notebook, otherwise Turion will be the way to go:)

In case of PC notebook, Sony is way more elegant than Apple. Also (for me specific), price in our country differs for almost a factor 2x. And nah, I don't need iWork or iWhatever, if I would like to use obscure proprietary formats, I would use MS software, it is at least in use by way more people.

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paying more for a mac that runs windows
by Nikato on Fri 13th Jan 2006 17:46 in reply to "Question"
Nikato Member since:
2005-12-17

why pay more for a mac that runs windows.....options.

it's like buying a car that runs on e85 fuel. you have the choice to run on e85 or regular gasoline.

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RE: Question
by sexonacid on Mon 23rd Jan 2006 02:47 in reply to "Question"
sexonacid Member since:
2006-01-23

To those of you crying about the high price of MAC”S I can tell you have never owned one. Besides being sexy in the way of looks they are build and the performance is over the top. I’ve had PC’s and Mac’s and I can to tell you the Mac’s are built to last unlike the PC (Pieces of Crap) that you get from Dell and the other manufactures.

If these new machines will run XP or even Vista it will be revolutionary in the world of computers. You need to have some vision I guess to see the benefits of being able to run both systems. The MAC system is killer for some things as is Microsoft. I tell you though that when it comes to the boxes you could drive a BMW (MAC) or you could drive a YUGO (PC) the choice is up to you. I know I sure love BMW’s though and just keep in mind this is all built on a big IF.

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