Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 15th Jan 2006 23:32 UTC
Linux "Linux has made major inroads on servers and in data centers running both open-source and proprietary applications on millions of computers worldwide. We've recently seen the rise of Linux on mobile devices. But the Linux desktop remains elusive. We know it's out there, but it only now seems to be approaching the tipping point."
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RE: What linux needs...
by Accident on Mon 16th Jan 2006 00:56 UTC in reply to "What linux needs..."
Accident
Member since:
2005-07-29

You are on the right track..........

Linux or others just need this.......

1. Make the same GAMES available (as Windows)
2. Autodesk (AutoCAD) and Adobe (all) get off there A** and Others to port the software.
3. Preinstall on OEM (this is very important...if Windows was not preinstall its user base would not be so big)

People only know Windows because its already there.
The OEMs have to change that, but the majority are to scared of Microsoft.

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RE[2]: What linux needs...
by Varg Vikernes on Mon 16th Jan 2006 01:53 in reply to "RE: What linux needs..."
Varg Vikernes Member since:
2005-07-06

The OEMs have to change that, but the majority are to scared of Microsoft.

Why are they scared of something that makes them money?

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RE[3]: What linux needs...
by Accident on Mon 16th Jan 2006 02:09 in reply to "RE[2]: What linux needs..."
Accident Member since:
2005-07-29

Its not about making, its about losing money.
If Microsoft see the selling something else no more discount.
Seen it before and its documented.
I use both Win 70-60% and others 40-30%.
But who cares!
Desktop Linux is here for Business!
But for the Home (60-70%) IMHO.

Read my pre post for why.

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RE[2]: What linux needs...
by Bit_Rapist on Mon 16th Jan 2006 03:30 in reply to "RE: What linux needs..."
Bit_Rapist Member since:
2005-11-13

The OEMs have to change that, but the majority are to scared of Microsoft.

How are they scared of MS ?

IF desktop linux were a goldmine then MS wouldn't be able to do a damn thing about an OEM shipping it. Obviously Windows XP is worth more on an OEM box for the likes of Dell, HP etc. etc.

Truth of the matter is that there is not enough of a demand for linux on the desktop for most OEMs to bother pushing it.

Its not a conspiracy and its not the monopoly that stops it from happening. Its the demand, or lack of demand I should say.

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RE[2]: What linux needs...
by Googlesaurus on Mon 16th Jan 2006 05:54 in reply to "RE: What linux needs..."
Googlesaurus Member since:
2005-10-19

"The OEMs have to change that, but the majority are to scared of Microsoft."

OEM's don't want to offer support for desktop Linux. Support costs them money, and thats not the objective.

Dell tried offering desktop Red Hat and support once, and they lost untold millions over the deal. I wouldn't claim they offer a Linux desktops again, but I can't see them offering tech support for it.

Red Hat Desktop Linux was once offered in many big box stores. It failed horribly, and it will be tough to convince some of those same retailers to offer shelf space again.

None of this had anything to do with Microsoft.

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RE[2]: What linux needs...
by RawMustard on Mon 16th Jan 2006 09:15 in reply to "RE: What linux needs..."
RawMustard Member since:
2005-10-10

White box makers are not scared of Microsoft, yet they don't offer linux, why?

Because it's a pain in the arse to setup on brand new hardware and existing linux drivers are watered down, lame alternatives to the fully featured, optimised windows drivers.

Nothing will change in the desktop linux world until hardware makers give it the same respect as windows!

That means having some way for the average joe to install a driver and not have to wait for his distro maker to offer it in some deb/rpm file.

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RE[3]: What linux needs...
by hal2k1 on Mon 16th Jan 2006 09:25 in reply to "RE[2]: What linux needs..."
hal2k1 Member since:
2005-11-11

"Because it's a pain in the arse to setup on brand new hardware and existing linux drivers are watered down, lame alternatives to the fully featured, optimised windows drivers. "

Sigh!

Not this rubbish AGAIN!!! This is JUST NOT TRUE.

I already told you:

The best at the moment seems to be PCLinuxOS. Ubuntu, KANOTIX or MEPIS are close. All four come on one CD, and install a complete system (yes, with all desktop applications) from scratch in about 15 minutes.

15 minutes is 15 minutes.

As per my snapshot (see down the bottom of the Synaptic window): http://members.dodo.com.au/~quiet1/install-azureus.jpg

1108 packages installed. In 15 minutes ... a complete desktop system ... all hardware working!!

Do try to keep up. There is no "pain in the arse" about it! This is miles easier and faster on Linux than trying to get a Windows system up from a blank hard disk to a complete installed desktop system.

http://members.dodo.com.au/~quiet1/snapshot39.jpg

... even the audio and a GUI hardware control panel.

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