Linked by Charles Williams on Tue 17th Jan 2006 21:25 UTC
Linux What ever happened to the total computer newbies who tried Debian (part I | part II)? Mike, Diane, Mary & Carla are still doing very well, although much has changed since the first articles were written. They no longer use Libranet. They no longer use Gnome & believe it or not, Windows has now been installed. Read along to find out what happened.
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Just works
by Jon Dough on Tue 17th Jan 2006 22:11 UTC
Jon Dough
Member since:
2005-11-30

Just shows to go ya that most people don't care about the Windows/GNULinux/BSD/OS-X debate. They just want to get their work done. Platform makes no difference.

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RE: Just works
by hobgoblin on Tue 17th Jan 2006 22:46 in reply to "Just works"
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

true. and good free standard help here. like say being able to open openoffice files anywhere and so on.

about the only people that need specificaly windows these days are those that play the latest windows only games, work with in-house or custom developed software running on windows with no available code or have similar reasons.

the more general purpose the tasks one needs done is. the more likely it is that you can do them on just about any os.

still, a bit strange to see them go from debain to gentoo. but i guess it have allready been stated that with a bit of friend/neighbor support at start and no need to do the install themselfs, people can use just about any linux distro.

would be interesting to check how many of the wal-mart linux pc customers still use them.

in many ways its wrong to look at a linux install vs windows as 90%+ of the windows users have never installed windows from scratch.

hell, these days most comsumer pc's come with a custom installer that either just overwrite the windows or reset the system back to factory defaults and all.

something similar can nicely be done with linux. it may even prove easyer...

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RE[2]: Just works
by de_wizze on Tue 17th Jan 2006 23:00 in reply to "RE: Just works"
de_wizze Member since:
2005-10-31

I think it's more like 95% do not install Windows ever. It's the other 5% that do it for the rest. From OEM provided reimaging CD's the come with the computer when it comes from the store to the IT department who do it for you at work, the virtually no enduser is expected to install the OS.

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RE: Just works
by Eric Martin on Wed 18th Jan 2006 06:36 in reply to "Just works"
Eric Martin Member since:
2005-11-11

Great point.

LINUX is just a KERNEL ! Not an OS !

X windows has alot to do with the negative experiences of LINUX .

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RE: Just works
by Googlesaurus on Wed 18th Jan 2006 14:19 in reply to "Just works"
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2005-10-19

"Just shows to go ya that most people don't care about the Windows/GNULinux/BSD/OS-X debate. They just want to get their work done. Platform makes no difference."

What most users really want is to avoid learning anything new. If they can get their work done on their existing platform, they are unlikely to welcome learning another platform or method of operation.

The part geeks and advanced users seem to forget;
Most people don't share the passion for computers, technical issues, or learning in general.

Non-technical people, hate technical things.

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RE[2]: Just works
by dru_satori on Wed 18th Jan 2006 19:30 in reply to "RE: Just works"
dru_satori Member since:
2005-07-06

You need to be more specific:

Most people resist change.

The argument isn't tech versus non-tech, it's change. I know some incredibly gifted technical people that hate Linux (or OS X for that matter) not because they can't use it, but because it forces change upon them, and they are unwilling to leave that comfort zone. It's the same reason that so many OSS folks get so upset when licenses change, or external forces cause change.

Let's take for example the Suse users all up in arms about the possible move to Gnome when Novell bought Ximian. Here is an example of a group of people that are willing to embrace Linux are unwilling to embrace the possibility of change. Could they have gotten the same work done in Gnome, sure, but it would require change.

That's the fundamental issue that faces all of the alternative platforms.

It takes something to cause a desire to change. Linux doesn't have that. There is no marketing group that is giving the world any reason to change other than, it's free, and even that isn't selling, because to the consumer, it's not free. It's a $499 new computer, or a $99 box of Suse Linux. Further, there isn't that Digital Camera that says, Plug and Play with Linux on the side of the box. There isn't that iPod with a big sticker on the side that says 'Works with Linux'.

Microsoft has that comfort zone established, and the old mindset of nobody got fired for using Microsoft hasn't died. Novell isn't 'selling' to consumer's only businesses, and even that's less than it should be. IBM, Linux is only offered on the business targeted computers. Gateway, Dell, <insert tier 1 consumer vendor here> are all offering Linux to businesses, they aren't targetting the consumer. Only the Walmart computer's are doing that, and only online at that, you can't buy them in the stores, not at Sam's either.

Apple is the ONLY alternative vendor making an effort to make a consumer desire to change. The iPod, Digital Cameras, on demand TV shows, hardware that looks nice on a kitchen counter, software that just works (for the most part). They are also the only alternative platform that has a single point of focus and vision, not the fragmented Linux & Unix world.

But regardless of all of this, there is no question that Linux can get the job done, there is a question as to why a consumer would desire to put forth the effort to embrace that change? Because ultimately, most people don't like change and resist externally imposed change.

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RE[2]: Just works
by hobgoblin on Wed 18th Jan 2006 21:57 in reply to "RE: Just works"
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

or to put in a diffrent way:

what they want is an appliance that do one thing and do it well.

sometimes i wonder what if we give them a cpu that you can hook up to diffrent storage media. these storage media store diffrent programs or collections of programs in a rom, and have some storage space for user files.

at will you can jump from one attached storage media to the next, suspending the use of the others (alltho a ongoing task, like the downloading of a webpage or mail can continue).

basicly make the computer more physical to use.

want to jump to a diffrent storage media? hit the change button on the cpu box until the small use light on the media lights up (there should be a diffrent one for working. preferably flashing).

no need for installing files, no need for drivers.

want that multimedia suite to handle a diffrent codec? download it and put it into the codec folder on the user area of the media its on.

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