Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Jan 2006 22:10 UTC, submitted by James Dickens
Oracle and SUN Someone has found the manual to Sun's Ultra 40 - which hasn't even been announced yet. The machine clearly is the bigger brother of the Ultra 20. It apparently sports two AMD Opteron processors (single or dualcore; 2.0Ghz or faster; 1MB cache), eight PC3200 DIMM slots (2GB per DIMM), and more. It will come pre-loaded with Solaris 10 (obviously) but RedHat/SUSE Linux Enterprise/Windows are also supported, in both 32bit and 64bit.
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RE[3]: Sun is even busier
by segedunum on Wed 18th Jan 2006 13:38 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Sun is even busier"
segedunum
Member since:
2005-07-06

yes you can run the same code on them all so there is a reason for a SPARC desktop.

You don't need to muddy your desktop line to do that.

If a brand new, ultra 40 is an opteron most people would think that an ultra 45 is related, they should of kept to there current naming of calling SPARC workstations blade.

Rule 1: Always work out what you're selling and where. Sell SPARC workstations everywhere if that's what you want.

T1 chip in the T1000 and T2000 servers, 1 RU and 2RU packages, that use less watts, and are faster than intel and amd chips at specific server tasks.

So what are the running any of their stuff on Opterons for if SPARC is that good? And don't say 'to run Windows' or 'to run Red Hat' because that simply doesn't make any sense.

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RE[4]: Sun is even busier
by Phillip.Fayers on Wed 18th Jan 2006 17:20 in reply to "RE[3]: Sun is even busier"
Phillip.Fayers Member since:
2005-12-14

So what are the running any of their stuff on Opterons for if SPARC is that good? And don't say 'to run Windows' or 'to run Red Hat' because that simply doesn't make any sense.

Because they are giving the customers what they have been asking for?

Because if they sell Opterons as well as SPARC they sell more machines and make more money?

Because the different CPUs have different strengths and are useful in different situations?

Because you want to be able to run Windows and Redhat and Solaris all on the same box?

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RE[5]: Sun is even busier
by segedunum on Wed 18th Jan 2006 17:57 in reply to "RE[4]: Sun is even busier"
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2005-07-06

Because they are giving the customers what they have been asking for?

Customers aren't asking for it. You give your customers a line of workstations (or servers) that are clear and related to each other. You don't muck about by offering what 'you think' customers want because you really want them to be using SPARC.

Because if they sell Opterons as well as SPARC they sell more machines and make more money?

In what way? What makes Opterons outsell SPARC? And if it's outselling SPARC then sell Opterons exclusively. It's obviously a selling point. All you've told me there is that Opterons outsell SPARC.

Because the different CPUs have different strengths and are useful in different situations?

Not on workstations, as I've pointed out. SPARC is a high-end processor, and that's its only domain now. If Sun want to sell it as a workstation and convince customers then they need to make it clear to customers what they are selling. If customers are scratching their heads about what you sell, and you are confusing them with talk about 'choice' and the non-existent 'different strengths', then they simply go elsewhere.

Because you want to be able to run Windows and Redhat and Solaris all on the same box?

That's a selling point for selling Opterons (and a weak one at that considering Sun want you to use Solaris), so what's the point of SPARC?

Look, we all know that Sun don't really want to sell anything that doesn't have SPARC in it, so they've got one of two options. Commit totally to what is actually selling (Opterons), or make SPARC an actual viable option on workstations, or many servers, and stick with it. The market has spoken on that front, and that is 'what customers want'.

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RE[4]: Sun is even busier
by bullethead on Thu 19th Jan 2006 01:39 in reply to "RE[3]: Sun is even busier"
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2005-07-10

"So what are the running any of their stuff on Opterons for if SPARC is that good? And don't say 'to run Windows' or 'to run Red Hat' because that simply doesn't make any sense."

Sorry to tell you, but that makes absolutely real sense.

Windows and RHEL WS work perfectly, and on hardware that is designed between AMD and the Sun engineers. I am getting an Ultra 20 (Dual Core) next year when Vista comes out. And I will have both Red Hat and Microsoft operating systems on it.

SPARC is good for Solaris, no doubt.

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