Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 17th Jan 2006 22:10 UTC, submitted by James Dickens
Oracle and SUN Someone has found the manual to Sun's Ultra 40 - which hasn't even been announced yet. The machine clearly is the bigger brother of the Ultra 20. It apparently sports two AMD Opteron processors (single or dualcore; 2.0Ghz or faster; 1MB cache), eight PC3200 DIMM slots (2GB per DIMM), and more. It will come pre-loaded with Solaris 10 (obviously) but RedHat/SUSE Linux Enterprise/Windows are also supported, in both 32bit and 64bit.
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RE[6]: Sun is even busier
by Phillip.Fayers on Wed 18th Jan 2006 18:09 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Sun is even busier"
Phillip.Fayers
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2005-12-14

Look, we all know that Sun don't really want to sell anything that doesn't have SPARC in it,

They bought a company that designed Opteron servers then proceeded to sell them at a market competitive price. They negotiated with AMD to get a special Sun version of the AMD CPUs manufactured. Sounds like a company who wants to sell something which isn't SPARC.

so they've got one of two options. Commit totally to what is actually selling (Opterons), or make SPARC an actual viable option on workstations, or many servers, and stick with it.

Or option 3. Sell Opteron and SPARC systems, with both being viable options.

The market has spoken on that front, and that is 'what customers want'.

I think the market is speaking by buying both SPARC and Opteron systems from Sun.

Sun may be looking to dump SPARC altogether, but I doubt it. Even if they were they wouldn't do it until Opteron (or some other chip) could replace their high end servers which won't happen for some time.

I lament the almost lack of decent, cheap SPARC workstations from Sun, I think it harms their business becuase people grow up with Linux on x86 instead. Sun have, finally, decided that they ought to be making some money from the huge x86 market. I'm glad they did.

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RE[7]: Sun is even busier
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 18th Jan 2006 18:11 in reply to "RE[6]: Sun is even busier"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Sun may be looking to dump SPARC altogether, but I doubt it. Even if they were they wouldn't do it until Opteron (or some other chip) could replace their high end servers which won't happen for some time.

They won't for at least another ten years. They just released the Niagara 8-core SPARC chips, and Niagara II is in the pipeline and due early 2007.

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RE[8]: Sun is even busier
by Phillip.Fayers on Wed 18th Jan 2006 23:10 in reply to "RE[7]: Sun is even busier"
Phillip.Fayers Member since:
2005-12-14

They just released the Niagara 8-core SPARC chips, and Niagara II is in the pipeline and due early 2007.

If they execute that right and on time you could see a return to SPARC workstations on people's desks. A Niagra II based workstation would be a wonderful development platform for multithreaded apps.

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RE[7]: Sun is even busier
by segedunum on Wed 18th Jan 2006 22:44 in reply to "RE[6]: Sun is even busier"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

They negotiated with AMD to get a special Sun version of the AMD CPUs manufactured. Sounds like a company who wants to sell something which isn't SPARC.

It's happened before.

Or option 3. Sell Opteron and SPARC systems, with both being viable options.

There is no option 3. Customers want to know what you're selling.

I think the market is speaking by buying both SPARC and Opteron systems from Sun.

They are not buying both SPARC and Opteron. Just about all of Sun's new customers, where the new business is to be found, buy Opteron.

I lament the almost lack of decent, cheap SPARC workstations from Sun

That's exactly what they should have done.

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RE[8]: Sun is even busier
by Phillip.Fayers on Wed 18th Jan 2006 23:08 in reply to "RE[7]: Sun is even busier"
Phillip.Fayers Member since:
2005-12-14

They are not buying both SPARC and Opteron. Just about all of Sun's new customers, where the new business is to be found, buy Opteron.

Exactly. If Sun didn't have Opteron they wouldn't be picking up that new business and the company would be weaker for it.

When it comes down to it Sun's main product has always been Solaris. They manage to sell hardware because people want stuff which runs Solaris.

That's exactly what they should have done.

Sun fund all of the development costs of the low end SPARC chips. Similar costs for x86 CPUs are spread across all the companies which buy them from AMD and Intel. Sun simply couldn't keep up with the cash which Intel and AMD were (are) throwing at improving their CPUs. It took a financial crisis to make them think outside the box and go for broke with Niagra (and Rock).

Niagra was such a departure that it even caught Sun's own people unawares. The new storage boxes (Thumper and Honeycomb) which Sun are working on are Opteron based - when a Niagra would have been a perfect fit for the workload.

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