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Nice that once again there will be a developer program. Although personally, being just a consumer, I'm rather looking forward to the 4U2, i.e. a complete sub-notebook device. Would be convenient to get some stuff done on it (assuming that MorphOS will run on it) while sitting in the train to and from work.
Regarding that very old (and, to be honest, boring, since there have been no really new facts added for two years or so) discussion about Genesi <-> MorphOS at certain forums from time to time, I'd suggest to finally draw a line now and restart.
Of course I could go on myself now, mentioning that many good things Genesi achieved - not only to their customers especially regarding the free Peg1/April exchanges, but also to MorphOS by investitions, promotions and hardware supply ALSO to MorphOS developers, not just Linux ones, even during the previous two years -, but that would probably just again provoke further postings about some mistakes made by Genesi and of course the problems this startup company did have by nature.
No, my actual point is that I do not understand what those few but vocal anti-Genesi posters think to achieve by this?
Okay, there may be some really fanatical OS4 fans among them who simply want to hurt MorphOS (like I guess almost any OS does have such questionable "missionaries", especially when it has forks of 'brother OSs' within its bigger family) - but I guess that quite a lot are also people who do really like and actually use MorphOS. I.e. people who are just disappointed and/or upset because the bright start MorphOS did have could not be kept at the same strength later due to financially tougher interim times for Genesi.
But especially the latter group (but also the former, since ATM MorphOS seems to be the ONLY post-Commodore AmigaOS with a slight but justified chance of commercial success) therefore would achieve nothing else than the final deathblow for MorphOS by still continueing to accuse Genesi for not supporting MorphOS (or rather: for not supporting it as much as those posting that stuff would have wished, I'd say).
I'm really noone who would praise Genesi to have always done everything right - definitely not! But what everyone has to understand, IMHO, is that Genesi seems to be the last, best chance for the Amiga operating systems to gain some momentum again (within a certain niche, of course). Of course nobody is forced to love Genesi - but why can't the detractors, for the OS's sake, just stay silent instead of repeating the same stuff again and again? Let's just step back for a while and watch what happens.
Being a MorphOS fan and despite or because of this fact trying to hurt Genesi's attempts to achieve some business opportunity for MorphOS - that's almost as insane as the fratricidal war of AmigaOS4 fanatics attacking MorphOS: in the end there would be very likely no Amiga-like OS at all anymore (not counting a handful of AROS coders, maybe).
Thus, liking the advantages of the traditional AmigaOS, at least I personally would clearly prefer to see any Amiga-like OS to outlive - no matter in the end if it would be MorphOS, AmigaOS4, AROS or AmigaOS/AfA - instead of all of them failing due to these childish flame wars. Because then I'd have to use really "alien" operating systems instead of just a close relative of my post-Commodore AmigaOS of choice.
So, PLEASE, let's draw a line and try a restart - ALL of us. Not for Genesi, but for the AmigaOS successors.
Nice post! Thanks, at last sanity. I am a Gentoo Developer and Genesi has done right by Gentoo donating many machines and sponsoring a number of events. I really don't know much about Amiga or MorphOS but I am tired of the incessant trolling. Genesi has the only widely available and supported PowerPC platform in the market with the departure of Apple. We in the Gentoo PPC Team make the ODW our target, not the G5 and not the PowerBook.
Ah, I think I see why some people are so quick to overlook the past crimes of Genesi: they are desperately hoping that Genesi will provide them with a future for their preferred platform.
To me, forgiving Genesi because they are "the last, best chance for the Amiga operating systems to gain some momentum again" is stupid. I care very little whether the Amiga platform is revived. It is not that big of an issue to me. My criticisms for Genesi have absolutely nothing to do with OS4 or anything else.
In fact, I can appreciate some of the good things that Genesi have done. In particular, I like that they have provided hardware to Gentoo, which is my preferred Linux distro, but that does not factor into my criticism either.
Why do I not want to draw a line and restart? Why am I unwilling forget about what happened? For the simple fact that pretending it never happened shows a tacit approval for Genesi's previous tactics and is another slap in the face for their victims, having the double humiliation of being cheated and having nobody believe them.
Genesi has a black mark on them. It has been there for two years. It is not that hard to fix it. Until they do, I do not trust them and will encourage others to do likewise. This is not about my own selfishness in wanting to revive the Amiga. It is bigger than that. If the situation were different, I would be hoping for Genesi's success, but things are what they are.
Oh, it's not about forgiving - as I said, Genesi did mistakes and I'm all for getting it sorted.
So pointing potential new volunteers to past experiences of other coders, employees, etc. is absolutely fine with me.
But as much as I'm not requesting anyone to forgive, I'm also not asking for a crusade by third parties (supposedly) in the name of such 'victims'. [Remark: I'm not using the quotation marks in a way of denying that there would have been victims but just because I've not been a witness of those parties' agreements with Genesi.]
I.e. I do not welcome a blackening of Genesi at places like OSNews where it might jeopardize the company's business with other companies (since visitors from the outside of the Amiga market most likely won't be able to judge that stuff in context and therefore might overrate it without it really being anything to worry about for them).
But I've zoned out already. As I said, telling individual coders about that "black mark" you're talking about is fine with me. But since my concern indeed is MorphOS (although not in such a way that I'd forgive anything if they just save my favourite OS), I'm also saying that everyone in the Amiga market is perfectly aware of that "black mark". Thus there is absolutely nothing new one could tell us Amiga users in this regard - there simply is noone left who would still have to be "warned".
Therefore I'd wish everything would be kept where it belongs and where everyone is familiar with the situation to judge it within the context where it belongs. I.e. keep the Amiga stuff on the Amiga forums and don't transfer it to general forums.
That's what I was aiming at with 'drawing a line'. Things would be different if there would be further "black marks" also elsewhere - but in the Linux market or with Polaris they aren't.
So as long as Genesi doesn't make new mistakes, I'm for giving it a rest for now - or at least keeping that more than two year old stuff at the Amiga forums where it belongs. Edited 2006-01-20 15:24
I think your trolling is 100% FUD. You have made three posts during your entire OSNews membership and they are all in this thread, but your knowledge is slightly more aged and stinks like old cheese. You have an axe to grind and you are doing your best to create problems.
What "crimes" have Genesi committed? Name one. What do you need to "forget?" Your "black" is not mine. Were you cheated and humiliated? Come clean scumbag...
Oh yes! You are probably one of "them." You have three fingers on each hand, eat mustard with your corn flakes and like dark damp places. You must be baaaaaad.