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Novell and Ximian A demonstration of the next release of Novell's Linux for desktops drew cheers and applause Wednesday, although the final version of the software is not expected for some months. Nat Friedman, the company's vice president of Linux desktop engineering, showed Novell Linux Desktop 10 playing videos and MP3 music files, and exchanging music and photos with an iPod and a digital camera, in a keynote presentation at the Solutions Linux conference and trade show on the outskirts of Paris.
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Novell Shows Off
by moleskine on Wed 1st Feb 2006 21:57 UTC
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2005-11-05

This doesn't really come over as news. When did a trade demo not end in applause? It would have been news if Nat Friedman's demonstration had been greeted with boos, catcalls and a hail of tomatoes. There is nothing radically new in this demo, just refinements of what exists already. And it still leaves Novell with the same problems, the same disgruntled shareholders and the same view of Red Hat, accelerating steadily further and further ahead of them because Red Hat are concentrating on where the money is, in the enterprise server room. Even folks who like Linux don't really think it's going to be rescued by an mp3 player.

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RE: Novell Shows Off
by segedunum on Wed 1st Feb 2006 22:12 in reply to "Novell Shows Off"
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2005-07-06

And it still leaves Novell with the same problems, the same disgruntled shareholders and the same view of Red Hat, accelerating steadily further and further ahead of them because Red Hat are concentrating on where the money is, in the enterprise server room. Even folks who like Linux don't really think it's going to be rescued by an mp3 player.

Thank you. A sensible, rational comment in amongst all the tosh.

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RE[2]: Novell Shows Off
by Mitarai on Wed 1st Feb 2006 22:15 in reply to "RE: Novell Shows Off"
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2005-07-28

Thank you. A sensible, rational comment in amongst all the tosh.

Translation: "wow, a troll like me, Im not alone in my quest of distroying Novell".

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RE: Novell Shows Off
by DirtyHarry on Wed 1st Feb 2006 22:12 in reply to "Novell Shows Off"
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2006-01-31

What it even makes it sadder that the demoed MP3 player is really not the best that there is on Linux.

Amarok is by far the better (al be it subjective from my side :-) mp3 player...

But what is interesting is that they have decided to include a MP3 decoder from the start. And that IS news. There's no linux distribution at the moment that plays MP3 out of the box...

And the desktop? Novell should have choosen KDE. Than they could really shine on the desktop and present some inovative applications.

A Windows user will laugh us in the face when you present him with the default Gnome burner app... But with K3B he/she will feel comfortable...

Ok. Well. Maybe in a few years.... If Google wants to help.....

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RE[2]: Novell Shows Off
by tristan on Wed 1st Feb 2006 22:20 in reply to "RE: Novell Shows Off"
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2006-02-01

There's no linux distribution at the moment that plays MP3 out of the box...

There are many Linux distros that have support for MP3 (and more) out of the box. The thing they all have in common is that you have to pay for them.

If NLD becomes the first free Linux distro to ship an MP3 decoder, then that is pretty big news.

I want some XGL screenshots...

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RE[2]: Novell Shows Off
by Dark_Knight on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 05:10 in reply to "RE: Novell Shows Off"
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2005-07-10

Re: "But what is interesting is that they have decided to include a MP3 decoder from the start. And that IS news. There's no linux distribution at the moment that plays MP3 out of the box."

Actually SUSE Linux 10 retail version plays MP3 files "out of the box" as you called it. Where as the OSS version of SUSE Linux available from OpenSUSE.org does not include any proprietory software/codecs. While the codecs can be obtained through various methods online most consumers are happy to purchase a complete distribution where little set-up is required. Also it's nice getting included technical support and printed Admin/User manuals with the retail version which can help new Linux users migrate.

To clarify for those not familiar with Novell Linux Desktop (NLD) Novell is targeting the enterprise sector such as businesses, education institutions and governments not home consumers.

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RE: Novell Shows Off
by tristan on Wed 1st Feb 2006 22:28 in reply to "Novell Shows Off"
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2006-02-01

Even folks who like Linux don't really think it's going to be rescued by an mp3 player.

Rescued? What exactly does desktop Linux need rescuing from? Usage is *increasing*, isn't it?

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RE[2]: Novell Shows Off
by rayiner on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 00:14 in reply to "RE: Novell Shows Off"
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2005-07-06

It's a myth that Linux-haters are trying to spread. They act as if Linux has "failed" on the desktop, when in reality its market share growth is outpacing everything else. HP by itself sells about 1m Linux desktops every year, about 1/4 of Apple's total 2005 sales (and Apple had a great year in 2005).

I think Americans in general underestimate the success Linux has had on the desktop, for a number of reasons. First, they probably don't see the hundreds of thousands of Linux desktops at work in universities, engineering firms, etc. Second, a huge percentage of Linux desktop sales are in Europe, Asia, and Latin America. Of HP's 1m Linux desktops per year, only 15% are sold within the United States. Meanwhile, they see Apple's healthy US sales, and assume that the success translates to all other markets. Of course, Apple's sales outside the US are much lower than they are inside the US. Indeed, Apple sells far fewer machines in Europe than in the United States, even though Europe is a bigger overall market for PCs. Its sales in Asia (including Japan), the Middle East, and Africa are by comparison tiny.

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by sean batten on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 16:29 in reply to "RE: Novell Shows Off"
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2005-07-06

Rescued? What exactly does desktop Linux need rescuing from? Usage is *increasing*, isn't it?

It's not exactly difficult for desktop Linux numbers to increase given that they started from zero only 10 years (or so) ago...!

Seriously though, desktop Linux needs rescuing from itself. It'd have far more chance of succeeding if it could focus on one desktop manager. All the KDE/Gnome/*insert others* managers don't help. Linux needs to focus on one desktop manager that all applications happily run under.

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