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Novell and Ximian A demonstration of the next release of Novell's Linux for desktops drew cheers and applause Wednesday, although the final version of the software is not expected for some months. Nat Friedman, the company's vice president of Linux desktop engineering, showed Novell Linux Desktop 10 playing videos and MP3 music files, and exchanging music and photos with an iPod and a digital camera, in a keynote presentation at the Solutions Linux conference and trade show on the outskirts of Paris.
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RE[5]: segedenum
by superstoned on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 19:43 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: segedenum"
superstoned
Member since:
2005-07-07

ok, i stand corrected on the 'pouring money in Gnome'. tough i still wonder who pays the guy's salary doing 'administration' for gnome...


" You then mention "while it barely can keep up with KDE", which is not a fact (flamebait actually, but we're way past that in this thread). Where can GNOME not keep up with KDE? Accessibility? Usability?"
no, those two are gnome's area's. but there is more under the sun than having a nicely laid out application and less features. things like KIOSK features and ACL support, in KDE but not in Gnome. just to name 2 things. or good cross-app communication (dcop. dbus might replace it as it is already almost as good and can also talk to the system, but for now, KDE has a clear edge on this one - full scripting of almost all apps and their possibilities from the command line or other applications). Kparts. and integration of Gnome apps with GTK-Qt theme engine (you can better run Gnome apps in KDE than the opposite, speed and look&feel wise).

and i think a company rather pays for Qt and its support and have a better toolkit than using GTK. by the way, if they don't sell their software, they don't have to pay at all, so why care?

Gnome IS more easy and accessible compared to windows, and on some points even to Mac OS X, but so is KDE, despite some apps having more icons. a lot of work has been put in making many config dialogues easier, and quite some apps got more clever. yes, a lot low hanging fruit is still out there, but on the other hand - gnome has some cathing up to do in areas like cd burning and music playing. and KPDF kicks ass, too. and don't forget the education apps from KDE, they surpass the gnome ones by far.

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RE[6]: segedenum
by Mitarai on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 19:51 in reply to "RE[5]: segedenum"
Mitarai Member since:
2005-07-28

So, you re talking as the clasic troll who saids "this application is better than that", pff, so? if the solution were installing "the best app", GNOME and KDE wouln't have any place in the enterprice.

And there is a small datail called Qt dual license that would force your customers to buy an expensive license if they don't wan't to develope a GPL application?

of course, your vision has been always short, like the troll you are.

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RE[7]: segedenum
by superstoned on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 20:02 in reply to "RE[6]: segedenum"
superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

i said if they don't distribute (i said sell) their app, they can develop it for free, they don't have to pay. so for internal usage, Qt is as free as GTK. and if you want to sell your software as proprietary software (and you shouldn't), you can pay them for a license. you can pay them if you don't sell your software, too, so you get tech support, btw (and some companies acutally DO).

get your facts straight before calling someone a troll, thank you.

and you're right about the 'this app is better than that app', i shouldn't have said it. still YOU ignore the other valid comments!

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RE[6]: segedenum
by Mitarai on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 19:52 in reply to "RE[5]: segedenum"
Mitarai Member since:
2005-07-28

BTW, can you probe your point in less than 200 words?

Geez, your post are so long and boring.

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RE[7]: segedenum
by superstoned on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 19:54 in reply to "RE[6]: segedenum"
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2005-07-07

sorry

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RE[6]: segedenum
by thebluesgnr on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 21:39 in reply to "RE[5]: segedenum"
thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

"but there is more under the sun than having a nicely laid out application and less features."

If you'd like to convince yourself that having a usable interface is the same as having less features, please go right ahead. I won't bother to comment on this.

"things like KIOSK features and ACL support,"

There's actually a patch to add ACL support to gnome-vfs (written by someone from Sun btw). I wasn't sure what KIOSK is, but after reading a quick description a KDE web site I can say it's something GConf provides by design, and in the 2.14 release of GNOME there will be an admin suite to make it easier to use these features for administrators.

"Kparts."

You probably know that Bonobo is part of the GNOME platform, but there's a move away from it on the desktop modules, which is actually a UI design decision. The idea of a universal application is something that KDE does with Konqueror and GNOME intends to avoid.

"and integration of Gnome apps with GTK-Qt theme engine (you can better run Gnome apps in KDE than the opposite, speed and look&feel wise). "

GTK+ can use Qt (or Windows libraries) to draw widgets but the "feel" is still GTK+. I have no idea if Qt has this level of flexibility, but if not someone could "fix this" by porting Clearlooks to Qt. I don't know if there's interest to do this.

"and i think a company rather pays for Qt and its support and have a better toolkit than using GTK. by the way, if they don't sell their software, they don't have to pay at all, so why care? "

If you think a company would rather pay Trolltech to have to do more work porting a .NET application to Qt compared to porting it to Mono/GTK# you're just being a fanboy. Non-.NET apps can be ported to GTK+, gtkmm or even pygtk also without paying. It makes the Novell products more attractive if they don't have to depend on Trolltech to provide a very basic feature.

"gnome has some cathing up to do in areas like cd burning and music playing. and KPDF kicks ass, too."

Actually, no. Specifically in Novell's next release, Banshee is reponsible for writing music CD's and Nautilus for writing data CD's. I don't know if KPDF kicks ass but I certainly don't see anything missing in Evince, which can also view .ps files. I haven't used any education apps for either GNOME or KDE but I hear KDE is very good, indeed.

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