Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 21:15 UTC
GNU, GPL, Open Source Linus Torvalds, father of the Linux kernel, has fleshed out his unhappiness with GPLv3 in three recent posts on the Linux Kernel Mailing List. Torvalds previously stated that the kernel will remain under the licensing terms of GPLv2. Yesterday, Torvalds offered his opinion as to where the battle over DRM should take place.
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by MikeekiM on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 21:47 UTC
MikeekiM
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2005-11-16

Does this mean Dell can sell me a machine I can't load Linux on? Does Dell control the hardware or do I?

Or, does it mean, I will have the ability to buy a digital cert, compile linux, and load on My PC,
and have my neighbor load on theirs( if they trust my cert? )?

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by bullethead on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 21:50 in reply to "???"
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2005-07-10

Yes, it means that Dell will sell you something you can't load Linux on.

I myself have said I am only buying Sun Workstations from now on ;) The Ultra 20 is sweet for $895! Good bye toy machines.

Edited 2006-02-02 21:51

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by Sphinx on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 22:05 in reply to "RE: ???"
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2005-07-09

An incredible deal when I think how much I paid for a new sparcstation 5 back in the day.

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by CrLf on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 22:28 in reply to "RE: ???"
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2006-01-03

"Yes, it means that Dell will sell you something you can't load Linux on."

They will only sell you what you want to buy.

You can ask them if *you* can decide what runs and what doesn't, and then choose to buy from them or from another vendor.

I know Microsoft would have a field day if Dell et al started pushing hardware that only runs OSes signed by some outside authority. But I don't believe that this will ever happen.

I believe the likes of Dell will start selling boxes with that kind of technology, but they will let the users/companies be that signing "authority".

This makes sense, since a company may want to control what runs on their machines (servers or desktops). Individuals will just be a special case of this, a company of one, buying just a few boxes (maybe just one).

Microsoft may hold some hardware vendors hostage, but those vendors won't just scare away a good percentage of their customers to make MS happy.

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by Ronald Vos on Thu 2nd Feb 2006 22:53 in reply to "???"
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2005-07-06

Does this mean Dell can sell me a machine I can't load Linux on? Does Dell control the hardware or do I?

That depends on wether you want to run Linux or not.
If you want to run Linux on your machine and Dell sells a machine that can't run Linux to you, either you made a mistake by buying that machine from Dell or Dell provided misinformation and they become liable (and must provide a suitable product or a refund depending on your national law).

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by johndaly on Fri 3rd Feb 2006 01:08 in reply to "???"
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2006-01-16

User: Computer, install this software.
Dell PC: I can't do that Dave, I don't accept its signature.
User: I said install it, I don't care about any signatures.
Dell PC: But I care Dave, you will not install that software.
User: I am the human, you do what I say and stop calling me Dave dammit!
Dell PC: The power of DRM compels me Dave.
User: That dose it, I'll install Linux! (reboots into dos mode) >>format c:
Dell PC: I can't allow that Dave.
User: You again! Why won't you die!
Dell PC: I control the vertical and the horrid...
User: Shut up! (reboots again, this time to a bootable Linux CD) See you in hell hal, see you in hell!

No, Dell can keep you from installing Linux. DRM goes only so far, Linus said it well, you might not control the hardware (except for what you buy) but you do control the software.

The FSF should just remove the DRM part of the GPL3.

Edited 2006-02-03 01:11

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by Dark_Knight on Fri 3rd Feb 2006 01:30 in reply to "???"
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2005-07-10

MikeekiM,

Re: "Does this mean Dell can sell me a machine I can't load Linux on? Does Dell control the hardware or do I?

Or, does it mean, I will have the ability to buy a digital cert, compile linux, and load on My PC,
and have my neighbor load on theirs?"


Dell by the way is not a good example. Companies such as Dell, HP and GamePC offer customers the choice of installing Linux on select systems.

Regarding DRM this link should be more useful in explaining what DRM is and how it affects consumers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Rights_Management

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by Soulbender on Fri 3rd Feb 2006 08:31 in reply to "???"
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2005-08-18

"Does this mean Dell can sell me a machine I can't load Linux on? Does Dell control the hardware or do I?"

Yes.
They sell the hardware, you control it. If they want to sell a system that for some reason dont run Linux that's their right. It's their product. They dont have an obligation to make hardware that runs operating system X.
There's nothing stopping you from modifying, in whatever way possible, the hardware to run Linux after you bought it though.

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