Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 9th Feb 2006 18:07 UTC, submitted by Peter Parker
Microsoft "Microsoft may not make flawless software, but its proprietary strategy is hard to fault. In particular, Microsoft has mastered desktop lock-in, undermining users' confidence in any alternatives and creating a slew of minor difficulties that irritate those who do switch. Two themes dominate the stories I hear about the tribulations of using and adopting non-Microsoft business desktops: the difficulty in finding compatible hardware and the stranglehold Microsoft Word has on users. In the last week, IT pros have shared their experiences with these two adoption inhibitors. They're representative of other stories I've heard."
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RE[8]: Two ways ...
by sappyvcv on Fri 10th Feb 2006 03:46 UTC in reply to "RE[7]: Two ways ..."
sappyvcv
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2005-07-06

So why I have nothing against Windows or people who use it, but I am very critical of Microsoft. If you can't separate the two, that's your problem. I certainly can.

Great for you, but not everyone is like you.

No, I just said that some have heard of Linux but are unsure as to what it is. In order to choose, you have to be informed, and many people don't know what Linux is. Heck, many computer users don't even know what an OS is...

But they KNOW the choice exists. That means you have the choice. If you don't have enough to make the decision, you can find out more.

Uh, no. You were talking about people who choose to use Windows. I'm talking about people who actively defend Windows on web sites. Please pay attention, if you're going to misunderstand/misinterpret everything I say, we won't get very far.

Try again. Reread what you said, "the only people I see actively defending Windows [i do] are anti-Linux [i'm not]." THAT is what I'm taking about. I do actively defend Microsoft by proxy of actively defending Windows by proxy of defending why I think it's a decent operating system. Follow?

I'm not accusing you of being an astroturfer, by the way. Unlike you, I'll refrain from personal attacks and insults.

Where did I insult or attack you? "Jerk" is not an insult or an attack.

Mmm...too bad they don't give out mod points, as your post goes against the terms you've agreed to by posting. But hey, it's your credibility. If you want to throw it out the window (no pun intended) go right ahead.

Try again. Jerk is a synonym for a rude person, which is the context I meant it in. Yes, I think you were being a bit rude.

What I don't get is why people aren't allowed to defend Microsoft without being accused of being an astroturfer or being told they don't need help. Guess what? Not everything they do is wrong. Maybe when someone defends them, it's because the person actually believes, in that case, Microsoft is being unfairly criticized. So should people that disagree just stand by while others unfairly (to them) trash Microsoft? Sounds like a circle-jerk to me.

If you (you in general, not you specifically) want to trash Microsoft, trash them for what they have done wrong. Don't trash them for anything they do because they have a bad history.

Me, I like to judge individual actions, and not blanket things, even if it is easier.

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RE[9]: Two ways ...
by archiesteel on Fri 10th Feb 2006 04:13 in reply to "RE[8]: Two ways ..."
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2005-07-02

But they KNOW the choice exists.

If you don't know what an OS is, how can you choose to use something else!

Come on, are you really trying to say that the majority of people who use Windows know what Linux is and what it can do, and have chose not to use it?

Reread what you said, "the only people I see actively defending Windows [i do] are anti-Linux [i'm not]."

Okay, it's my turn to invoke a poor choice of words (we're both allowed one, right? :-).

I should have said "people who defend Microsoft". However, it's usually true of people who defend Windows as well. Note that, as I replied to Tom K, I don't see this as a causal link ("you are anti-Linux BECAUSE you defend Windows") but rather as an observation ("posters who defend Windows tend to also post FUD about Linux").

"Jerk" is not an insult or an attack.

I believe it is. Merriam-Webster defines "jerk" as "an annoyingly stupid or foolish person". "Jerk" is not a synonym for "rude" anymore than "idiot" is a synonym for "unaware"...

So should people that disagree just stand by while others unfairly (to them) trash Microsoft?

Sure, MS can take care of itself, it has a Marketing budget in the hundred of millions.

If you (you in general, not you specifically) want to trash Microsoft, trash them for what they have done wrong. Don't trash them for anything they do because they have a bad history.

No, I will trash them because of their bad behavior against Linux, even if they also do some good things, because a right doesn't cancel a wrong. And I don't mind being unfair to a multi-billion monopoly who has very little scruples when it comes to crushing its competition.

Why YOU feel the need to spend so much energy to defend this abusive mega-corporation is beyond me, though.

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RE[10]: Two ways ...
by sappyvcv on Fri 10th Feb 2006 04:22 in reply to "RE[9]: Two ways ..."
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Come on, are you really trying to say that the majority of people who use Windows know what Linux is and what it can do, and have chose not to use it?

Um, no, not at all. I said most people KNOW they have other choices. That's it.

I believe it is. Merriam-Webster defines "jerk" as "an annoyingly stupid or foolish person". "Jerk" is not a synonym for "rude" anymore than "idiot" is a synonym for "unaware"...

I'm sorry, I should have simply said rude. However, jerk is in fact a synonym for rude according to dictionary.com

Sure, MS can take care of itself, it has a Marketing budget in the hundred of millions.

I see. So I'm not allowed to defend any large company even if I believe they are not in the wrong because thye have money. Great logic.

No, I will trash them because of their bad behavior against Linux, even if they also do some good things, because a right doesn't cancel a wrong.

But I'm talking about trashing GOOD actions or actions that are neutral because of their history.

Why YOU feel the need to spend so much energy to defend this abusive mega-corporation is beyond me, though.

Why YOU feel the need to trash them and defend linux is beyond me. Please, that's a ridiculous thing to say.

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