Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 14th Feb 2006 22:49 UTC, submitted by jayson.knight
Mac OS X It seems like flee-in-Apple's-fur, cracker 'Maxxuss', has succeeded in cracking Mac OS 10.4.4 for Intel. "We were just about to hunker down and wait through the cold winter and a wet spring until we saw some results on the OS X 10.4.4 for Intel hacking efforts, but it looks like we're getting a little Valentines present from 'Maxxuss' who has already broken through Apple's heightened security that is present in their shipping version of the OS. It's just a preliminary release, not all hardware is supported and it requires a bit of futzing around to get it to work, but seeing as we weren't expecting this kind of breakthrough this early, we really can't complain."
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Fun while it lasts
by Tom K on Tue 14th Feb 2006 23:19 UTC
Tom K
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2005-07-06

Sure, hacking OS X to run on cheap white-box PCs is fun while it lasts, but it's not a long-term endeavour. Consider the following:

- Hardware manufacturers will still only support (in the form of drivers) the hardware which is currently available for x86 Macs. Don't have the same kind of Ethernet/audio card that an Intel Mac does? Tough sh*t. No Ethernet/sound for you.
- Apple can break things for you with *any* update they release.
- Apple can update Xcode to automatically compile all Cocoa projects with a small, randomized machine-check before the rest of your code, thus rendering any and all applications eventually released useless on your hacked box.
- And so on ...

That OSx86 site is full of fools. Take for instance the following quote:

"Without doubt, this will have profound impacts on the companyís future as running OSx86 on a PC becomes less a hackerís trick and more mainstream. When all it requires is the downloading of a DVD, thatís certainly the future weíre looking at."

It will *NEVER* become mainstream, you fools. It will never become mainstream because it will always be a half-assed, half-working hack, it will never be 100% stable, and it will never be as simple as popping in a DVD and installing OS X on your little self-built box. The driver support is simply not there.

Ah well, 14-year-olds will be 14-year-olds.

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RE: Fun while it lasts
by DevL on Tue 14th Feb 2006 23:37 in reply to "Fun while it lasts"
DevL Member since:
2005-07-06

"It will *NEVER* become mainstream, you fools. It will never become mainstream because it will always be a half-assed, half-working hack, it will never be 100% stable, and it will never be as simple as popping in a DVD and installing OS X on your little self-built box."

Actually, this kind of reminds me of Windows and you have to call it mainstream...

(Sorry for going OT, I just couldn't resist this. :-))

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RE: Fun while it lasts
by rayiner on Tue 14th Feb 2006 23:39 in reply to "Fun while it lasts"
rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

It will *NEVER* become mainstream, you fools. It will never become mainstream because it will always be a half-assed, half-working hack

So was Win 9x, but look where that got Microsoft? Don't underestimate the general public's capacity for broken software.

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RE[2]: Fun while it lasts
by Tom K on Tue 14th Feb 2006 23:52 in reply to "RE: Fun while it lasts"
Tom K Member since:
2005-07-06

*sigh*

Windows 9x and hacked OS X on x86 whitebox hardware are so far from being parallels that if they were any farther away, they'd be getting closer. :-)

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RE: Fun while it lasts
by cg0def on Wed 15th Feb 2006 00:13 in reply to "Fun while it lasts"
cg0def Member since:
2006-02-12

the funny thing is that you of all people is complaining about 14 year old behavior and yet there are some strikingly 14-year-oldish comnets comming from you. First of all there is pretty much no hardware that Apple uses in the Intel Macs that you can't buy. So this whole driver issue is pretty easily resolved. Also Apple is not going to ever implement some * random hardware check *. If they were to do this it would slow down the boot up process for paying users and ultimatelly any such check is very much crackable. If you new anything about compilers you would have caught the line about code obfuscation in the article. Yet even this didn't help Apple much. The bottom line is that any code is crackable if you want it too bad. In the case of Apple there are people that want it really bad just for bragging rights. So no matter what Apple does the software will be cracked. Plus as soon as a new version comes out there will also be a new crack. It's been done for windows software for decades now so the same fate awaits Apple. The driver problem is the only thing that is going to stop people for a while but Apple has to open up their hardware support base if they are to remain compatible in the x86 world. Plus you would be surprised how many 3rd party drivers were there for the powerpc architecture. Contrary to common believes Mac do have a pretty large hardware base.

Oh and I can't believe that there are still people confident in the fact that Macs are build to a higher quality standart that any pc. Maybe it comes as a surprise to some of you but there are some really high quality custom build pcs and they are hardly the exception anymore. From the perspective a custombuild computer Apple's product are cheaply made and the hardware is nothing but mainstream ( well may be except for the G5 cpus and some of the larger displays ).

Anyway the interesting thing from this article IMO is that Apple didnot implement any CPUID check. I am not sure how true this is but the guy is saying that any CPU with SSE2 support will do. I expected that Apple would at least check if it is an Intel CPU since they were so eager to pick Intel over AMD.

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RE[2]: Fun while it lasts
by rayiner on Wed 15th Feb 2006 00:52 in reply to "RE: Fun while it lasts"
rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

Oh and I can't believe that there are still people confident in the fact that Macs are build to a higher quality standart that any pc.

One of the fans in my G5 PowerMac has begun intermittently buzzing. Not a whole lot, but its off-balance just enough to be annoying. I've got an 8 year old Dell which ran as the server in our house for several months while the basement was being remodeled. It inhaled all sorts of dust, but to this day, the fans are as quiet as the were when they were new.

Apple's hardware quality is vastly overstated, something which surprisingly enough most Mac users are aware of. They've dealt with the super-loud "wind tunnel" G4 PowerMacs, the buzzy power supplies in the G5 PowerMacs, the leaky water cooling systems, the constant logic board problems in some of the earlier G4 iBooks, all the assorted issues that plagued the Rev A G5 iMacs, etc. They still love Apple machines, but they don't seem to have the irrational image of Apple hardware quality some of the Apple contingent like to espouse.

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