Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 14th Feb 2006 22:49 UTC, submitted by jayson.knight
Mac OS X It seems like flee-in-Apple's-fur, cracker 'Maxxuss', has succeeded in cracking Mac OS 10.4.4 for Intel. "We were just about to hunker down and wait through the cold winter and a wet spring until we saw some results on the OS X 10.4.4 for Intel hacking efforts, but it looks like we're getting a little Valentines present from 'Maxxuss' who has already broken through Apple's heightened security that is present in their shipping version of the OS. It's just a preliminary release, not all hardware is supported and it requires a bit of futzing around to get it to work, but seeing as we weren't expecting this kind of breakthrough this early, we really can't complain."
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RE[6]: hmm..
by rayiner on Wed 15th Feb 2006 05:34 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: hmm.."
rayiner
Member since:
2005-07-06

Does it make it right for me to steal more fruits from the grocer if i think they are overcharging? No, but i do have the power to not buy from them.

The grocer has the right to charge whatever he wants for the fruit (actually, he doesn't because there are all sorts of regulations, but let's pretend). He doesn't have the right to say that you can only buy strawberries if you dip them in the sweet cream he also sells. I'd like to see that trial in a court of law.

Thieves can't get away with the excuse "i don't think their business model was right". Neither can we.

Because thievery is illegal. Breaking a EULA is a different matter entirely.

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RE[7]: hmm..
by Johan on Wed 15th Feb 2006 05:44 in reply to "RE[6]: hmm.."
Johan Member since:
2005-06-30

godammit, i keep modding people up by accident.

Again you're still equating legality to ethics. Many unethical practices has happened within the confines of the law.

If you don't like the way he sells the strawberries, then don't buy. But to agree to that rule, and then break that agreement when in fact you don't, therby wasting everybody's time and the grocer's money, then that very unethical. You're free to walk, but you're not free to lie.

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RE[8]: hmm..
by rayiner on Wed 15th Feb 2006 05:48 in reply to "RE[7]: hmm.."
rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

Again you're still equating legality to ethics.

It is ethical to force people to buy sweet cream from you if they buy strawberries from you?

If you don't like the way he sells the strawberries, then don't buy.

That is not a valid legal excuse, nor will it ever be.

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RE[7]: hmm..
by alcibiades on Wed 15th Feb 2006 07:57 in reply to "RE[6]: hmm.."
alcibiades Member since:
2005-10-12

Yes, Rayiner is quite right.

Even if the conditions on use in a Eula are enforceable in law (and most though not all of them violate some consumer protection and competition law), breaking them is not a criminal matter. It is a civil matter.

The company could try to claim damages from you. But you have broken no law. There is no law against breaking a contract. Whether it is enforceable depends on the contract.

It is not breaking the law to run Office under Wine. It is not stealing either. Whether the courts would award damages, is an interesting question. My bet is that if the Eula forbids it, at least in Europe, it would be held in violation of competition law.

Which is why none of these cases ever come to court.

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