Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 15th Feb 2006 15:14 UTC
Mozilla & Gecko clones "A lot of people complain about the Firefox 'memory leak(s)'. All versions of Firefox no doubt leak memory - it is a common problem with software this complicated. We look to fix the issues where we can. David Baron and others have done a huge amount of excellent work in this area. What I think many people are talking about however with Firefox 1.5 is not really a memory leak at all. It is in fact a feature."
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Extensions
by Hetfield on Wed 15th Feb 2006 16:04 UTC
Hetfield
Member since:
2005-07-09

Well, I used to really love Firefox, but I find myself using Opera or Konqueror more often now. I started using Firefox when version 0.7 came out, and though it would crash often it was more fun surfing the web than with 1.5, though to be fair 1.5.0.1's memory handling has improved.

What really keeps me from switching completely to another browser are a bunch of extensions that I grew accustomed to and that make browsing more fun. But then, it's pretty sad when third-party additions are all that make an application valuable.

What really bothers me is that those memory issues have been known for a long, long time and the developers chose to ignore them. Just browse the bug reports and see how many reports have been closed because problems were not acknowledged and downright denied.

Anyway, the last two memory leak fixes have slightly improved my browsing experience and since they made better memory handling a priority now I am looking forward to the upcoming releases. I'd really love to love Firefox again. ;)

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RE: Extensions
by peejay on Wed 15th Feb 2006 16:47 in reply to "Extensions"
peejay Member since:
2005-06-29

But then, it's pretty sad when third-party additions are all that make an application valuable.

Actually, I thought that the whole point of Firefox was basically to strip out most of the features and add them back as extensions so that you could customize it as much as you wanted, and most importantly leave out the stuff you didn't need.

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RE[2]: Extensions
by Hetfield on Wed 15th Feb 2006 17:01 in reply to "RE: Extensions"
Hetfield Member since:
2005-07-09

The modular approach is quite laudable indeed, but the core application still should meet some demands that I actually deem to be self-evident, such as: being lightweight, being stable, using a computer's resources in a sensible manner and generally not acting like it's the only application running.

No, what I meant with the statement you quoted was that I think an application should be valuable without needing to rely on third-party additions. The extensions aren't everything. A browser should still run fast, render pages correctly, support standards, be secure and stable. Firefox does some of these things well and fails at others, which unfortunately has become quite frustrating for thousands of users. And if it weren't for those many useful extensions, many would have switched to another browser a long time ago.

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RE[2]: Extensions
by ma_d on Wed 15th Feb 2006 17:03 in reply to "RE: Extensions"
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

Yes, that's correct. But a good basic browsing experience is the basic feature firefox is supposed to ship with.
Instant back/forward is a part of that.

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RE[2]: Extensions
by nrlz on Thu 16th Feb 2006 07:32 in reply to "RE: Extensions"
nrlz Member since:
2006-01-27

Actually, I thought that the whole point of Firefox was basically to strip out most of the features and add them back as extensions so that you could customize it as much as you wanted, and most importantly leave out the stuff you didn't need.

And what exactly were the features that were stripped out and put into extensions?

Most of the extensions I've seen were created by third-parties who don't even have an adequate understanding of the Firefox architecture and therefore create poor performing extensions.

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RE: Extensions
by antwarrior on Thu 16th Feb 2006 01:57 in reply to "Extensions"
antwarrior Member since:
2006-02-11

"But then, it's pretty sad when third-party additions are all that make an application valuable. "

Let me ask you a question : What would you add to a browser to make it an excellent piece of software, of course being able to render pages is already a given....

I know ppl have touched on it already and it's more just a side note. A browser is a boring application to begin with. The extensions that are most useful to people are those that allow your interaction with the browsing environment to be as painless as possible. It difficult to include a bunch of inbuilt features that are useful to everyone. The one size fits all doesnt work here and here's why.

People have very personal and specific information requirements while they are browsing. I am sure if you compared the extensions that everyone using FF on OSNEWS you will find little in common.

Even ad blocking, pop up extensions aren't extensions that everyone uses.

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