Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 13th Dec 2017 23:54 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives

I've now turned my attention to preparation for beta1. Already talk has resumed on the mailing list of a tentative schedule; there still remains too much to do to expect it before the new year, but with the list of blockers now reduced effectively to two (one relating to installing source packages on the actual release image, which I intend to look into solving soon; the other is about clashing mime supertype declaration and may prove trickier to solve), the actual "release branch" is hopefully not more than a month away.

I've already begun drafting release notes and making build system cleanups as part of preparation. There is finally light at the end of the tunnel - don't give up hope yet. :)

I'm just putting it out there that if all goes according to plan, I'll be spending lots of time in a nice Haiku virtual machine over the coming weeks to get a really good look at the state of the continuation of the best operating system ever made.

It's time.

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I walked away...
by Jace on Thu 14th Dec 2017 14:48 UTC
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I walked away at package management. I was sad. Aside from not having the user-responsiveness of BeOS (the kernel isn't scheduled the same way as BeOS's kernel, and this just made me feel like i wasn't running BeOS... because i wasn't), they stuck the net_server into the kernel, added a package manager, and started filling in the holes by porting Linux code (driver wrappers, APIs). It was supposed to be a BeOS clone, not a Linux. I'm not sure what the point of it is any more, if it's just going to keep being driven by Linux enthusiasts.

Mac OS still doesn't have the feel of BeOS, but it gave me the needed out from my Windows misery. Apple is slowly turning it into ugly, bloated crap, to serve iPhone sales, but it's still better than any alternatives; have my replacement OS. I don't do computers as a hobby any more, so i have no use for a hobby OS. Kind of sad for me, since BeOS was a big part of my life at one time. I even attended the first and only WalterCon as a reporter...

By the way: everyone complaining that Haiku looks "dated" or "old" because it isn't playing "me too" with the disgusting and idiotic flat minimalism fad that Apple, Microsoft, and everyone else is obsessed with... you have no idea how user interface design is supposed to work. I've noticed that most people don't, so you're in the majority. But you're wrong.

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RE: I walked away...
by bbjimmy on Thu 14th Dec 2017 23:35 in reply to "I walked away..."
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I felt the same way when the package management system slowed down the next release. Haiku's Package Management is far different from any other I have used. It downloads a special zip ( .hpkg ) file after checking for all the dependencies and places it in the packags directory. The package manager than adds the files to the right directories without unpacking the file.

Be was in the process of moving the net server code into the kenrnel for better performance when it closed its doors.

There are no Linux drivers in Hailu. Some network drivers from BSD are used through a special API wrapper.

Haiku is now far better than BeOS ever waswhile retaining the essence that I fell in love with. Can you imagine using NetPositive today? It was well behund other browsers when it was released and never caught up. WebPositive is far more advanced and there are Qupzilla and Otter browsers available.

Haiku still has very little bloat and , like BeOS, is really responsive to the user.

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RE: I walked away...
by FlyingJester on Fri 15th Dec 2017 00:47 in reply to "I walked away..."
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Their driver API is compatible with FreeBSD, not Linux.

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RE: I walked away...
by sklofur on Fri 15th Dec 2017 11:48 in reply to "I walked away..."
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Bringing together a couple of topics discussed so far..

As fond as I am about the classic Mac OS (drag the Finder icon into the System Folder to bless it), I completely understand the reasons why nobody wants to clone it.

Many people believe that Mac OS X hit its peak with Snow Leopard. Perhaps it’s time to make a clone of Mac OS X?

There are so many amazing pieces of tech in Mac OS X that I really worry about given Apple’s current direction: AppleScript, Services, proper sheets and drawers. Other once-pure things have been rotting slowly with each release: preference file handling, removal of GUI controls in favour of command line hacking, proper user/computer/network/system Library folders, Xgrid, consistent interface, a coherent design narrative for icons and widgets.

It’s not what it used to be, but my god I’ll take it any day over most anything else you can throw at me. Now if a group of people could make a clone of Mac OS X with the aesthetic cues of Jaguar with the features of Snow Leopard!

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RE[2]: I walked away...
by zima on Fri 15th Dec 2017 21:51 in reply to "RE: I walked away..."
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GNUstep live cd is probably the closest what we have to a clone of OSX.

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RE[2]: I walked away...
by Andre on Sat 16th Dec 2017 17:09 in reply to "RE: I walked away..."
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First, I must say I have to experience on the Apple ecosystem.

But, as far as I know, the kernel and some other parts are open source. Furthermore, there is GNUstep, which is an open source implementation of NeXT's OpenStep, the basis for Apple's Cocoa API.

So, without knowing any details, I would say, the kernel is there, there is a basis to begin the API implementation.

I would also say the implementation of Darling (like wine, to run OSX applications on Linux) would need more attention. And looking at how Wine and ReactOS work together, such a project to create an Open Source OSX clone, would also need to work together with Darling.

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