A new resolution introduced in the US Senate offers political backing to the Bush administration by slamming a United Nations effort to exert more influence over the Internet. At the heart of this international political spat is the unique influence that the US federal government enjoys over Internet addresses and the master database of top-level domain names – a legacy of the Internet’s origins years ago. The Bush administration recently raised objections to the proposed addition of .xxx as a red-light district for pornographers, for instance, a veto power that no other government is able to wield.
I don’t mind America being unstable, but there is a limit. Don’t get to stupid!
In your analysis thou, you left one thing out, you spoke from just one sided viewpoint and seemed judge your side lacking error of any kind and its all the fault of the euros, wheres the counterbalance or do you view everything except the US as wrong and the US all innocent?
My intent was an American viewpoint of the comments of this article. It started out immediately as “America sucks we hate you” not “hey these are the reasons as an EU citizen, I think we should share control of the internet”. The whole theme of the control grab has been “we are entitled to something we have no right to” Should the US demand control of the Government backed rail system in Europe? Sounds ridiculous doesn’t it?
Another thing is that I meant that most Canadians are friends and family of the USA, but personally I’m rich and corrupt, so I would be just as happy to deal with China.
Every country enjoys the internet. If other countries want it how about paying the US back for what it cost us then you can do what you want with it.
Every country enjoys the internet. If other countries want it how about paying the US back for what it cost us then you can do what you want with it.
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How about paying back all the countrys that contributed to it first?
How about paying back all the countrys that contributed to it first?
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It was paid up front. Called helping europe during ww2.
END OF DISCUSSION! OH! -Andrew Dice Clay
As I grow older I find how corrupt I am, and how much less of a dreamer I am, or someone who cares for anybody other than family and friends. Give me a shot gun and I will blow off Sadams head and be done with it. I will also blow off Bushes head and be done with it, Bill Gates too. I mean it.
I will only get richer as time goes on because that is how it works. I don’t care about the USA nor the next province of BC or Alberta. I don’t care about the city. I live on an acreage.
All I’m trying to say is that power currupt people. Take it from someone who is corrupt as hell.
” I will also blow off Bushes head and be done with it”
I hope you really live in Canada. If there is one thing you can’t say in the US, you just said it.
you ip say “ALBERTA CALGARY SHAW COMMUNICATIONS INC”
so i guess it is, otherwise the secret service will be visiting you.
errm, I thought it was said it was us Euros who were accused of not having freespeech and that was on reason only the US should have control??
a threat to kill the president (or anyone) is hardly free speech. the poster also said “I mean it” so it wasn’t meant as a joke
I think you find very few non-trolls would support such a comment
and even thou I never said, I apologise, as the people who type euro-weenies they do it to rile people up
It would be but then you are grouping all troll people and forgetting the sensible comments and how the internet developed through internation effort
It is the same as f–k you, we’re american comments, we own all your euroweenies
While ignoring the sensible american comments, so you are showing as much bias as the dumb comments
It would be but then you are grouping all troll people and forgetting the sensible comments and how the internet developed through internation effort
Most of those comments were arguments to support a position that Europe is somehow entitled to the internet. None (or very few) that i have seen were geared towards finding common ground. Just another typical America basing thread “nothing to see here! move along…”
I own a couple houses in Calgary, yes, and one in BC, and an acreage outside of Calgary. The secret service will get their ass bitten off by my 120 lbs dog. I also have guns, so I’m not too worried. Alberta is a lot like Texas.
One govt sticking it’s arse into the workings of the internet is bad enough. Severl hundred will be absolute hell.
If the UN is the model by which the net will soon be regulated then I quit.
So what you are saying, you are just ignoring any viewpoints that don’t agree with your position and not actually give them any consideration
Know one has said its entitled full stop but it should be under a independent non-govt control
as far bashing, well your countrymen supply hell off a lot of ammo
So what you are saying, you are just ignoring any viewpoints that don’t agree with your position and not actually give them any consideration
Never said that just noticed a trend…Hate America first …..logical discussion pending….
Know one has said its entitled full stop but it should be under a independent non-govt control
WHY! You prove my point where are the logical arguments towards this? I haven’t read one logical reason from any of the nay sayers on this site to compel me to change my mind on the contrary posts here have only reaffirmed my belief that the US should maintain control of the DNS servers. What you people don’t realize is that it’s technical Americans like us you need to convince. We are the ones that can influence our government officials.
well you are British, so i won’t be as harsh on you.
this is the position of many of my fellow posters:
a) we like the net as it is
b) we dont want to be under EU and epsp UN control
c) if you want to change it and have EU/UN control start your own DNS and IP systems. No one is stopping you
what the EU/UN posters says is
a) we dont like it becasue it is under US control
b) we want it under EU / UN control
c) we wont start our own we want the one that is being used right now.
point (c) sounds alot like a child who won’t be happy with another toy that is the same, they want the toy that that kid is playing with and nothing else will do.
lets hear your arguments.
I propose the US trades it’s absolute control of the internet for a permanant seat with veto power in OPEC.
OPEC isn’t nearly as important as the internet. You’re always going to find OPEC countries cheating because oil is all they have and making seperate arrangements will help them out. Plus, Canada and Russia have a huge chunk of the worlds oil anyway, and they aren’t part of OPEC.
If the President shows his face on my property, I’ll get him to bend over and kiss his own ass, than I’ll blow his head off and the same goes for Sadam. That is a fact.
By ultimate advice to Europe is to make your own Internet and finance it. I recommend Bjarne Stroustrup and a team under his direction.
But if you don’t do this than you have nothing to say except to waiste your breath. Do what Torvalds did, he was in a position at a time in space to start a revolution and take leadership over a great product. Find the right people and just do the work or else STFU.
Alberta has enough oil to supply the entire world for the next 15 years, or else to just supply Canada for the next 120 years. NAFTA means that the oil is a North America product rather than an Alberta product, but I say screw NAFTA. I want free oil.
I was being a smartass…
If you don’t view the US as one of the prime threats to the world you have not being keeping up with current events outside the US media, the US is viewed as more of a threat then Iran & Korea, especially with a religious fundemental crackpot in charge of your army, who will attack another country on a pair of stiched up lies, who will not join others to help with environmental issues and have a do as I say or f–k you attuitude
basiclly the US is a threat becasue it doesnt adhere to your ideas. brilliant.
Like i have previously stated there are a huge number of people such as yourself that have lost touch with reality. If you truly believe that we are a greater threat to world peace then the likes of North Korea then you are seriously deranged or just extremely ignorant, stupid or all of the above.
Like i have previously stated there are a huge number of people such as yourself that have lost touch with reality. If you truly believe that we are a greater threat to world peace then the likes of North Korea then you are seriously deranged or just extremely ignorant, stupid or all of the above.
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Smartpatrol, that post could very well be turned right back on to you, by not believing the US is the biggest threat then you and people like you have lost touch with reality. If you don’t believe that then you are seriously deranged or just extremely ignorant, stupid or all off the above
Yes your are more dangerous then Korea, full stop, you are a war mongering country of the worst kind, you have pushed your nose in everywhere, you have brought down govts due to not liking them, threatened, supported terrorists, killed 1000s of innocents, lied to start wars
has Korea done this, no
Yes your are more dangerous then Korea, full stop, you are a war mongering country of the worst kind, you have pushed your nose in everywhere, you have brought down govts due to not liking them,
After organizations they were harboring attacked us and were warned to turn out them out or be attacked. The Taliban would be still in existence if they complied. Of course no one misses them except the various islamo-facist terrorist groups in the region. We haven’t liked Iran, North Korea for decades yet they still exist and are still threatening peaceful nations in their repective regions.
threatened, supported terrorists, killed 1000s of innocents,
3000 Innocents died on 9/11/01 intentionally by the act of madmen. 1000’s of civilians have died in Iraq yes not intentionally as regrettable casualties of military conflict. Yet even more thousands have died by the same people that murdered the 3000 on 9/11/01 see the difference?
lied to start wars
Lied to start wars…hmmm.. now this is puzzling my memory isn’t the best but I seem to recall that the issue of WMD was over 13 years old and Iraq was subject to compliance with UN resolutions and was given a few hundred opportunities at least to do so these things he agreed too during the closing of hostilities of the first gulf war(UN action). I also seem to recall a “comply or else” clause within these UN mandates. So help me understand you somehow think there is a lie somewhere? Whether WMD was found or not doesn’t matter the process for disarmament by Saddams government wasn’t followed as per the agreement. Your just mad that “or else” finally happened.
has Korea done this, no
No, not in other countries since the early 50’s but they have starved to death over 2 million of their own citizens. By your logic this is ok for North Korea to do this and ultimately it was okay for Hitler to do the same there are quite a few people alive today that are glad we were “ War mongers” then…imagine that. Now North Korea has nuclear weapons who is next on the list to die? A few million Japanese? South Koreans? If the US has a say in it no one will. I guess for you people threats are only issues to be dealt with after they happen or after a few million people die.
We are cowboys though, so we like to party, except that the USA if being idiots by not supporting NAFTA, so we are actually going to be shipping to China in 2007, a large part of our oil, which will be the largest supply in the world by that time.
America is just as corrupt as North Korea, but America has more money, so that makes a huge difference in the way they are portrayed. End of story.
If you want to see for yourself than have America and North Korea trade economies.
If you want to see for yourself than have America and North Korea trade economies.
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Why don’t we just have the leaders arm-wrestle instead? I don’t want to go hungry like all those poor souls in N.Korea.
If you don’t view the US as one of the prime threats to the world you have not being keeping up with current events outside the US media, the US is viewed as more of a threat then Iran & Korea, especially with a religious fundemental crackpot in charge of your army, who will attack another country on a pair of stiched up lies, who will not join others to help with environmental issues and have a do as I say or f–k you attuitude
The end result of that experiment. Welcome back Hitler.
Sadam and Bush are basically the exact same person.
Umm, no.
Some of Saddam’s accomplishments are really pretty impressive – except for the fact that he IS evil. He doesn’t give a crap if millions of people die.
On the other hand, Bush has done basically nothing in his life except coast off his father’s wealth and fame. But I’d still rather have Bush, who is incompetent but good-hearted than Saddam, who is much more competent but evil.
If you want to compare Bush to someone try a Saudi Prince or the French President.
The internet is free and belongs in the hands of the people at large, not any government separate and above the people.
This thread shows how vocal and agressive idiots are. They share same level of idiocy on both sides. It should be a sane thread with technical merits about spliting the ROOTs servers across the world, and we have “It’s my prrrrrrrresiousssse. You can’t have it. My own.” talk from one side, and “You’re just a bunch of Bush-ass-licking loosers”.
This makes me both sick and sad.
The Internet is a Network Of Networks. I have a LAN network in my house, it’s connected to my ISP network, wich is connected to the bigger network. You get the idea.
US did some ground work on the idea of global network. So did others. We have exchanged our knowledge. Now the Internet is a good of all the people. It’s not like US tax payers pay my ISP bills.
Again, people. You throwing away everything that makes you different from an animals like ideas and ability to share your mind with others. You prefer to bite and hit, bash without looking.
Animals.
One thing Saddam did, was keep the country from civil war and stop religious groups from gaining power
And Smartpatrol, you mentioned WW2 and why didn’t everyone stop Hitler sooner, may I remind you that Europe rather then sitting on the sidelines for most of WW1, lost millions and millions of young people, there countrys were devestated, there economys due to the loss of life and war was broken and you actually ask why they did not rush headlong into another war and try and not try peaceful means?
another reason is that the needed to rearm?
Can you imagine millions dying and then asking your people to go to war again straight away? can, no then maybe you understand why there was not a rush into and made it is not a issue that should be sneared at
On a individual basis I doubt anyone hates Americans (unless its a very loud fat tourists) its the same old story of the way the govt operates, again after 9/11 you had a lot of goodwill but then you proceded to flush it all down the toilet for some daft reason
The Bush administration recently raised objections to the proposed addition of .xxx as a red-light district for pornographers
This would be a great idea that way when someones kid is looking up stuff on the whitehouse, they won’t type in a certain adress & get a porn site.
I believe the U.N. should get control of the internet. Over the past 50 years they’ve done a marvellous job of getting rid of dictators, preventing genocide and standing up and speaking out when countries want to block sites with the words ‘freedom’ and ‘democracy’.
We all will be better of if unelected and well meaning bureaucrats get to spend our money and control what we can read and see. It’s for our own good you see.
On a individual basis I doubt anyone hates Americans (unless its a very loud fat tourists) its the same old story of the way the govt operates, again after 9/11 you had a lot of goodwill but then you proceded to flush it all down the toilet for some daft reason
Haven’t seen a thread blow up like this since that criticism of Haiku by Eugenia.
Its a touchy subject
3000 Innocents died on 9/11/01 intentionally by the act of madmen. 1000’s of civilians have died in Iraq yes not intentionally as regrettable casualties of military conflict. Yet even more thousands have died by the same people that murdered the 3000 on 9/11/01 see the difference?
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Regrettable, well thats Ok, makes everything fine,hunky dorrie, thats 1000s of people have died IN A COUNTRY THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11
Do you remember the IRA? the got funding out of the US
Taliban, errrmm, you funded them aswell
i like how the US funded to taliban. have any proof? nope? the us funded the northern alliance. go read a book dumbass.
The US funded just about everyone in the region that was against the Soviets. I’m not sure the Taliban even existed back then, but I’m sure we funded many of the people who joined it.
Was it a wise policy? In the long run, it would appear not. On the other hand, we have no way of knowing what would have happened if we hadn’t.
Yeah, we know that. The government doesn’t try to hide this. In fact, it’s very well known since we were all given the facts by the aggressive media during the campaign against the Taliban. That’s where you got your information, correct?
3000 Innocents died on 9/11/01 intentionally by the act of madmen. 1000’s of civilians have died in Iraq yes not intentionally as regrettable casualties of military conflict. Yet even more thousands have died by the same people that murdered the 3000 on 9/11/01 see the difference?
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Regrettable, well thats Ok, makes everything fine,hunky dorrie, thats 1000s of people have died IN A COUNTRY THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11
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Is it only me, or do others get tired of people constantly linking IRAQ to 9/11. US did not say Iraq was directly tied to 9/11. Unless I’m wrong, IRAQ happend because the UN mandates were not followed AND it appeared that Saddam was a threat (he was acting as one, big tough guy that he was – nice hole you were found in).
Anyway, it’s hard to really know what to believe anymore. You read 2 different papers, you get 2 different viewpoints. Believe what your heart tells you, I guess.
bhaw whawww :stamps foot: UN did not agree with me invading a country for any valid reasons, so I am taking my ball home. – the US really needs to grow up (some of you anyway, atleast some of you are sensible)
personally I’d like to see my country become more isolationist and let all of you rot in your own little cesspools. I’m tired of my tax dollars funding the world bank, the UN, and every time some country has a problem that we “HAVE TO” send money because of the little panty wipe democrats needing some form of fulfillment for their enlightenment. If we called in all of our debts since WWII we wouldn’t have the financial load we have right now and most of Europe would still be third world. Believe it or not there is going to be a future and you better believe it is going to be an American future.
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Do you realise you’ve just made one of the biggest gaffs in all these postings, they post is so full of BS it is impossible to know where to start.
Can we label this specimen Exhibit A as, it clearly shows everythign that is wrong the US person today
Wow, this is quite some thread.
Perhaps what it really shows is that the internet “ownership” issue (it isn’t about ownership, imho, but that is another story) is being felt by many Americans as a proxy for all their hurt and anger at a world they find so hard to understand. Yup, the old school atlas has suddenly come alive to reveal real foreign countries with real people in them.
In which case, fat chance of anything sensible coming from the conference in Tunisia.
Sought to poison your efforts in Invading a foreign sovereign country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and had no WMD
Damm, how could they do that, the Bar Stewards!
Well you certainly showed them didn’t you! what is the civilian count and how many bodys bags have being sent home?
How many more terrorists being created
You’re a weird lot! even when you’ve being proved wrong, you still steer the same old course
Yeah, but a dictator tyrant was taken out of office. Too bad we can’t bring back the lives of the people he massacred.
“Yeah, but a dictator tyrant was taken out of office. Too bad we can’t bring back the lives of the people he massacred”
…Massacred with weapons that US sold him. Let’s not forget that.
Massacred with weapons that US sold him. Let’s not forget that.
Actually the US did not sell Saddam weapons we secured loans for him to stop Iran from overrunning Iraq. This is how it happended the US gave the go ahead for agricultural loans to be givin to Iraq these funds were diverted to buy weapons. Wanna know who the biggest suppliers of weapons to Saddam were the European nations most notably France.
I say US goes to war with EU. Then we’ll get to the bottom of this. Come on, punks, put up your dukes.
Seriously, though, this is perhaps the longest run of childish bickering I’ve seen in quite some time. Grow up people.
“This is my toy!”
“Nuh uh!! It’s MINE!”
“It should be MINE!!”
“Mine mine mine mine… Jimmy’s a weeeeeeener!!”
Sheesh…
ah but remember the US doesn’t care about being massacred by dictators – its supports them, fosters them and arms them. saddam was armed by the US (rumsfeld handshake anyone?) – and so was bin laden.
if the usa wanted to take out undemocratic monster they could start in kuwait, saudi, …
the problem is that the american public are thick – and can’t hold their ruling classes to account.
is there a country in the world where the stars and stripes flag isn’t burned every day?
If you don’t live in America, you’re not important.
I believe that any nation/group thinking they can claim ownership or have a dramatic influence over the internet is ridiculous, at best. No single entity is in the position of being able to claim ownership.
As Mick Dundee said in Crocodile Dundee – “It’s like two fleas arguing over who owns the dog,” during a discussion of land ownership. Sorry for the movie analogy; couldn’t help it, but it seemed to fit in, here.
I believe the absolute most that ANY nation can do is to make attempts at ‘local laws’ regarding the sections of the internet that travel/reside on the servers & systems on their soil. Much as they do now.
The UN may be in a position to make ‘suggestions,’ but that’s about it.
My two cents…
OSnews, please shut down this thread of comments. This is simply sad.
430 comments. Is that a record?
Democracy and freedom are positive words. But watch how the Americans use that fact to their advantage whether in the context of the Internet or other matters (Iraq?). Maybe that’s why the US in other parts of the world is known as “United Bluff”.
In the end there not much the US can do if the rest of the world says enough. Which I hope it does. Not because that’s going to make the Internet run better. It won’t. It runs very well asis. But – for democracy.
The internet and computing community is full of examples where something was *just done* and history was left to sort out the winners from the losers. Evidence the OS wars (from way back to the current situation), competing protocols, processors, and so on. Open source is full of examples of people not liking an existing system, so implementing their own because it was too difficult to change the existing one. If the UN wants “control” (really, more an administrative role) of the ‘net, it should just do it, and let the worlds nations and people choose where their loyalties lie. If the US system wins out in the end, so be it, if the UN (or other international system) is the victor, well done. Heck, with IPv6 growing now it’s entirely possible for both to exist alongside each other. Stop talking, start doing.
AMERICA INVENTED THE INTERNET THEY SHOULD KEEP THE INTERNET.
you us-haters are a buncha cry babies that are pissed because your too stupid to invent something cool. eveyone steals our ideas and exploits them.
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You are a total idiot and illiterate.
Study some History.
Then you’ll maybe know that:
1)The US are a young country and most of everything which counts was invented before your country even existed.
2)You wouldn’t even exist without Europe, and especially Italy (I am sure in your ignorance you have never heard of a man called Cristoforo Colombo), Spain and England.
3)Your arrogance knows no limits. See what you did to native Americans (the only *real* ones)
4)Still nowadays most of everything good, ethic, useful is invented outside the US.
2)You wouldn’t even exist without Europe, and especially Italy (I am sure in your ignorance you have never heard of a man called Cristoforo Colombo), Spain and England.
Ok I just had to reply to this one. Colombo did not discover America he landed on the island of Hispanola which includes the Dominican Republic and Haiti. The continents of North and South America were named for Amerigo Vespucci. But he didn’t discover them either the true discoverers were the Asiatic peoples who crossed the land bridge and became the Native American peoples.
Also since everyone here is giving their two cents here’s mine. 1 Americans are rude, yep we can be loud and boisterous and self absorbed. I’ll give you that one when you admit that Europeans are arrogant snobs who look down on the rest of the world as beneath them.
[i]Europeans are arrogant snobs [i]
The funny thing is that only US people treat us as arrogant, not the rest of the world. Don’t you say that just because we disagree with you ?
No your snobs and are just as self obsessed. Plus lets not go into the rest of the world thing. There are many places that Europeans are viewed nastily. Don’t think that just because I called you a snob means I don’t like you. You can disagree with me all you like, it makes for good conversation.
Nah. Europeans don’t look down on the rest of the world, just America.
ROFL… Now THAT’s funny as hell.
Europeans (I’ll leave out specifics) are just as proud and fretful as, let’s see, Chinese, Russians, Americans, Canadians, etc… the list goes on.
“Colombo did not discover America he landed on the island of Hispanola which includes the Dominican Republic and Haiti. The continents of North and South America were named for Amerigo Vespucci.”
Another Italian.
“But he didn’t discover them either the true discoverers were the Asiatic peoples who crossed the land bridge and became the Native American peoples.”
I can easily agree about that. Except that it is totally irrelevant to the existence of the US.
“Also since everyone here is giving their two cents here’s mine. 1 Americans are rude, yep we can be loud and boisterous and self absorbed. I’ll give you that one when you admit that Europeans are arrogant snobs who look down on the rest of the world as beneath them.”
Not sure about that. What I am pretty sure about is that the US could be a loved country, if:
1)The Constitution didn’t give too much power to the President
2)You didn’t choose too often the wrong leaders (but you have had great ones as well)
1)The Constitution didn’t give too much power to the President
The President really doesn’t have that many powers. The Supreme Court or Congress can override almost anything he does.
The president cannot declare war only congress
The president cannot enact law only congress
The president must get approval of his cabinet from congress
The president must get approval for appointing of Judges to the federal
bench. He gets to submit names thats it.
The Supreme Court decides if any and all laws or actions by the president or congress are consitutional
These are just some of the things that keep the president in check.
The news header says “Keep Internet Out of UN Control, Says US”. I failed to see where it says “Keep Internet Out of EU Control, Says US”. 95% of this ‘USA Vs EU’ bickering could have been avoided if people took the time to read
ICANN is not 100% american
All the root servers are not all american
all the technolgy involved is not 100% american (and most of those from american people actually has contibution from non americans people).
Of course USA has made a big work, but Internet wouldn’t exist without those foreign contributors (and wouldn’t exist either without USA)
These are just some of the things that keep the president in check.
What is there to check?
Right,the info that is delivered to congres.Who delivers the info?As long as there’s no info to check they (can)do almost anything anywhere.
I see the point you are trying to get at here. But at all times during what I am thinking the turmoil you are alluding to there were documents. Plus yes I do believe many of them were either doctored or slanted.
Many people don’t seem to understand how US agencies work the CIA is not an extension of the president or run by him. The CIA’s charter is foreign espionage/survelliance/counter terroism. The CIA briefs the president only. The people who technically run the CIA are the CIA director and the Senate Intelligence Commitee. It was the SIC’s job to keep the president in check. But there just a bunch of Republican ass kissers so they probably felt they had to be loyal.
There is no agency regulatory, espionagy, or judicial that the president has control over. This is one of the main reasons why American style democracies fail, most countries that try them do not understand that the executive branch of government is and must be the weakest. They still try to place to much power in the hands of their presidents.
This is an argument that we are never going to solve Americans and Europeans are always going to be at odds. America being a country of immigrants will always look with just a little distain at their mother countries that failed them. Europe will always be mad at the fact the the US surpassed them in economic and military power.
almost nice try but sadly you got the last bit wrong
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Europe will always be mad at the fact the the US surpassed them in economic and military power.
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Europe is not mad at that at all, and if you look you will find actually Europe surpasses the US in Economic power.
Two we are mad at war mongering and the attitude of the US people, and being slagged off for not getting into a war for the wrong reason, how can we be mad at being right?
Europe is not mad at that at all, and if you look you will find actually Europe surpasses the US in Economic power.
How much your money is worth is not a true measure of your economic power. Lets look at some stats why don’t we
1. World mechandise exports by region US 794 billion EU 2901 yes the EU had more export money but remember this was the entire EU up against one country. So if we were to look at it individually no country will overtake the US in world merchandise exports.
2. World Imports by region US 1303 billion EU 2920. This basically means that the US has fewer importation needs than the EU and can better survive an economic disaster should these services or good be cut off.
3. The current US unemployment rate is 5.4% In 2004 EU rates ranges from 2.4 to 32.8%
4. The currency exchange please remember that the Euro is and internation currency so your basing the exchange rate of a combination of nations against the dollar of course the rate of exchange will go the Euro’s way.
the UN is corrupt. Kofi’s son is a criminal and guess who got him that job. I bet Kofi is in on it too.
they’re all a buncha crooks, it needs huge restructuring.
i hate bush btw but damn hes right about this thing.
well it could be worse, he could be speaking to god and being told to invade other countrys
Oh last word
Halliburton
UN is corrupt. Kofi’s son is a criminal and guess who got him that job. I bet Kofi is in on it too.
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well it could be worse, he could be speaking to god and being told to invade other countrys
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Having faith is worse than being a criminal?
Bringing freedom to countries, who are being abused by criminals who exchange food and drugs for oil and bribes, is worse than being the abuser who takes those bribes?
If you look from the point of view of the abusers (i.e. UN and Old Europeans) you are definitely right!
“Bringing freedom to countries, who are being abused by criminals who exchange food and drugs for oil and bribes, is worse than being the abuser who takes those bribes?”
I am sorry but this is an excuse nobody buys anymore. Who supported the brutal dictatorships in Southern America? (just one of the many possible examples). I don’t suppose it was my granny.
> the UN is corrupt.
And the US isn’t?
Just about every other country in the world is more or less corrupt, but i suppose no decent stand up american would ever go as low as to become corrupt?
I guess the US should yield control to the least corrupt country, possibly Finland, Norway, Denmark or New Zealand?
468 posts can only prove that the US have made plenty of enemies, not just Al Qaeda.
And Yet before Bush I never noticed that.
Personally I find there is still plenty to like about the American people (but not their present Government)
Personally I find there is still plenty to like about the American people (but not their present Government)
For the 10 millionth time you ignorant Marxist. The American Government <u>is</u> the same as the American people. Representative government look it up!
The American Government <u>is</u> the same as the American people. Representative government look it up!
No it is not our government is not a proportional representation like most other democracies. I am a democrat livinging in Ohio, my member of the house of Representatives is a republican, my senators are republican, my governor is republican, my state legislature is majority republican. I do not agree with anything the republicans stand for and did not vote for them. So technically I a US citizen have not representation in government. We do not run on instant runoff voting where your vote will switch to your next candidate we pick one and if they win they do and if not your vote is thrown away. Government of the people by the people only means the majority gets to elect it and it is not appointed.
This could have being solved a few months ago, when in the US there was a chance to make ICANN fully independent but the Bush regine failed to do this and wanted to keep control off it.
If they had let ICANN be truly independent then none of this would have blown up
For supposedly intelligent people I don’t think I’ve ever been witness to so much hatred/nationalism (on ALL sides)/stupidity in a single discussion (sic) thread in all my life. You’re probably the same people that invade other previously useful threads and turn them into the usual Gnome/KDE flamewars or that other favorite, “my distro’s better than you distro”. Whatever the issues that surround this situation, name calling, insults, nationalism and stupidty are not going to help. What an advert for humanity you lot aren’t. I hope noone rings any of you while you are ironing!!
I find it sad too, and I said it in a post a bit above.
However this is only a reflection of reality, I am afraid.
So who hates the US?
Let me see:
1)One billion Muslims
2)The Chinese. How many are they by now?
3)The Russians (I would imagine)
4)The majority of the Western world.
That amounts to several billions. I hope this is a lesson you are not going to forget for a long time when you elect your governments.
However this is only a reflection of reality, I am afraid.
So who hates the US?
Let me see:
1)One billion Muslims
2)The Chinese. How many are they by now?
3)The Russians (I would imagine)
4)The majority of the Western world.
You realize you just aligned Europe with brutal totalitarian regimes guilty of every human rights abuse know to man…brilliant.
And he distinct religion and country. There are no muslims in USA ?
I find it sad too, and I said it in a post a bit above.
However this is only a reflection of reality, I am afraid.
So who hates the US?
Let me see:
1)One billion Muslims
2)The Chinese. How many are they by now?
3)The Russians (I would imagine)
4)The majority of the Western world.
That amounts to several billions. I hope this is a lesson you are not going to forget for a long time when you elect your governments.
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Now let’s look at it this way:
Who moves to the US and is welcomed:
-Muslims
-Chinese
-Russians
-Others.
I work in an IT company, and I can say that I work with each of the types mentioned above. We get along. This is what the USA is and represents, so keep that in mind all you USA haters. These people come here for a reason…and that is to live their lives. THey bring their families, and although it may be a little uncomfortable for some at first, when they are in the neighborhood, we treat them as frieds. I can tell you this personally, and I see their kids playing with ours.
This is what the USA really is.
“”Conversely, the rest of the world is acting like having control over the internet is their *right*, which it is not.”
And nethier is it your right.
“…then everyone else need to realize that *we* are relinquishing control over something that was *ours*.”
Everything has started somewhere. Railroads started in Britain but you wouldnt expect the brits to exert control over american railroads, would you?
I’m not saying the UN is the right place for Internet governance but neither should it be controlled by the U.S (or any other country).”
What the hell are you talking about not our right. The internet was developed at DARPA, in the US…it is our right. Railroads can’t be compared, not the same technology.
Besides with all of the anti-US atmosphere and super high beuacracy of the UN/EU, why should we relenquish control of the internet. So we can have some old crusty Belgian (no offense to Belgians) who hates US policy deny our requests for IP addresses, or have tyrant nations such as Iran have control over thing. Some of these countries that want control are the biggest perpatrators of censorship on the internet. The US doesn’t do that.
I say leave it here, it’s not broken, don’t fix it. Besides, if the Europeans get a hold of it they’re going to screw it up anyway, like they do with everything else.
“What the hell are you talking about not our right. The internet was developed at DARPA, in the US…it is our right. Railroads can’t be compared, not the same technology.”
Both are infrasturcture technologies.
“Besides with all of the anti-US atmosphere and super high beuacracy of the UN/EU, why should we relenquish control of the internet.”
In reality you dont have to. The rest of the world could just disconnect from you and “the Internet” would still work. The world dont need the U.S, the U.S needs the world.
“So we can have some old crusty Belgian (no offense to Belgians) who hates US policy deny our requests for IP addresses, or have tyrant nations such as Iran have control over thing.”
That’s not what this is about. Try to get with the program.
“Some of these countries that want control are the biggest perpatrators of censorship on the internet. The US doesn’t do that.”
Are you being sarcastic? I cant tell.
Btw, veto’ing the .xxx TLD is a form of cencorship.
“I say leave it here, it’s not broken”
Since ICANN isnt working as it’s supposed to it’s not working.
I wonder what the continent of Africa has to say about Europe? Thanks for all those brutal wars? and Asia? Opium Wars anyone?
Excellent work by the French, Danes, Germans, English, Belgians.
Thank you for inventing apartheid, because apparently it is alive and well on the internet where you seggregate yourselves from everyone blaming everyone else but never looking into a mirror.
“America is arrogant”
“America did nothing in WW2–the war would have won itself”
“America does not own its own communications network built on its own soil–we’ll be sending you an electric bill”
“Everyone hates America”
“The EU is a great success”
“The UN is a great success”
I voted for Ralph Nader for president of the USA. He’s probably the most honest candidate–ever. The above statements are on the border of stupidity. If you agree with them, you’re an over-generalizing idiot.
#1 Americans themselves are not arrogant–If you said Condoleeza Rice is arrogant, I’d agree. If you said Bush was arrogant, I’d agree. If you said they were both terrible at their jobs, I’d agree. You post all this hate against the US and call those who defend it or who don’t agree with you arrogant–That’s stupid. Please find people with differing points of view and learn something new.
#2 Without America’s involvement in WW2, in terms of supplies given to England, England would have ran out of oil, diesel and basic materials from 1940 onward. Without US involvement in the Pacific, that entire area of the world would be speaking Japanese under the rule of a Japanese Emperor. There was no navy that could challenge them–the British had excellent battleships, but THE WORST carrier aircraft. Battleships were irrelevant in the pacific by 1942.
#3 US Taxpayer dollars paid for the development of ICANN. ICANN does not judge the content of a website and categorize it. If .xxx was enforced–who would be the ones to determine “this site is pornographic, it’s domain must be changed to .xxx” Porn websites are not going to voluntarily switch to a unique domain which could be easily blocked–they want more customers and advertising. Think about this just for one moment–if that authority was given to ICANN, it wouldn’t stop with just one domain. I like it the way it is.
#4 Everyone hates America: Well the BBC certainly does. Ask yourself, the next time you see one of their programs, am I watching an Opinion-Editorial or a factual news report? Most of the middle east and north Africa does because historically the US has always supported Israel, a country which these people claim does not exist. I’m not thrilled with the amount of money we give Israel–I’d rather spend it on our homeless in the USA. India and China SHOULDN’T hate the US since it’s foreign investment and outsourced jobs have given both countries a massive economic boost recently.
#5 We’ll see how successful Belorus is at running the EU. Self interest overrides all.
#6 The UN itself admits that it’s human rights wing is a complete joke and has zero credibility. From the horses mouth: ” http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4419333.stm ” The Oil for Food scandal is THE BIGGEST THEFT, on the level of Nazi Gold theft, but is completely ignored by the rest of the world.
I certainly hope most other europeans do not think this way about America. Also, my family comes from Catalan, so F. U.
“Excellent work by the French, Danes, Germans, English, Belgians.”
I fail to see how Denmark fits in that group.
Items 1, 2, 5, and 6 irrelevant for the news post.
“#3 US Taxpayer dollars paid for the development of ICANN.”
Noone is questioning the U.S control over networks on it’s own soil. The problem is the control it exerts over the entire Internet and thus networks not built by americans and not residing on american soil.
For all that’s wrong and problematic with ICANN just read http://www.icannwatch.com.
Also, since ICANN is a non-profit *corporation* taxpayers money didnt really pay for it.
“#4 Everyone hates America”
It’s not about hating America. It’s about a single country having a high degree of control over a global infrastructure.
We should make a new internet, or seperate network with its own DNS. Keep this network away from the US. Keep it away from everyone except the chosen few.
We should put all of you morons who posted here on this thread on this ‘alternate’ internet so that your ramblings and blabbering bullshit stops wasting bandwidth.
There were a few good posts, most of it was all just childish bullshit.
In spite of what all the US-haters think, the United States has done a great job in their handling of the Internet. Give it to the U.N. and it will be screwed up within a year.
It reminds me of the old, “It’s *my* ball so *I* decide who plays with it.”
Time to grow up…
That is good.
Internet shouldn’t be regulated the way it is. Neither Europe nor US of A (or UN) will do “better”.
Make it more simple, give a ROOT DNS to each Continent. Split the IP stack among “regions” (make it EVEN) and that’s it.
http://www.newsday.com/news/printedition/nation/ny-uswilk204476689o…
Darn it. I was having so much fun posting responses that I did not realize you all got tired of this thread. It was a lot of fun.
At least this is an original post from me and not a reply.
WORD.
– USA provided the ground work for the Internet(ARPANET). Fair enough, but they did NOT build the whole *global* infrastructure, only domestic. Individual nations built their own networks which were attached to ARPANET. Therefor no US taxdollars were ever used to pay the *global* infrastructure of the Internet.
– US administrators did not let foreign networks to be attached to ARPANET just out of good will. US administators understood the mutual benefits of a global network.
– The biggest reason the Internet is so usefull as it is today, is due international participating in 1) infrastructure building 2) application developement (protocols and other widely used techniques).
– Detaching USA from the Internet would hurt the US more than it would hurt the rest of the world. Rest of the world would only lost the ability to contact USA, but USA would fall back to communicational stone age.
“- USA provided the ground work for the Internet(ARPANET). Fair enough, but they did NOT build the whole *global* infrastructure, only domestic. Individual nations built their own networks which were attached to ARPANET. Therefor no US taxdollars were ever used to pay the *global* infrastructure of the Internet.”
Yeah, but the best and oldest, most long running is in the US. The rest is a cheap copy, as usual (like most of OSS/FOSS software.
“- US administrators did not let foreign networks to be attached to ARPANET just out of good will. US administators understood the mutual benefits of a global network.”
Commies, all of them.
“- The biggest reason the Internet is so usefull as it is today, is due international participating in 1) infrastructure building 2) application developement (protocols and other widely used techniques).”
The only part of the global infrastructure that is important is the one in the USA. Why? Well, if we put in laws to keep the cheap junk coming in (products) from other countries, and build it here, we could solve some unemployment problems. Therefore, no need to communicate with any foreign companies. True, prices would go up, but at least we would all have jobs to pay for it.
“- Detaching USA from the Internet would hurt the US more than it would hurt the rest of the world. Rest of the world would only lost the ability to contact USA, but USA would fall back to communicational stone age.”
Well, no. If my first statement were true, then all you others would lose a valuable market to sell your wares to. The knife is sharp on the other side, too.
You sir are one clueless idiot, and you just about misunderstoond every point made in the original “Points of view” post. You’re a troll, right?
It’s sad that an interesting and important topic get ruined by basement dwelling losers with nothing better to do with their lives than to constantly argue about what country is better.
If you’re not smart enough to understand the topic and it’s implications maybe you should just shut the f–k up.