Apple today announced a faster, more affordable line of eMac desktops for home and schools, including faster PowerPC G4 processors running at up to 1.25 GHz, 333 MHz DDR memory, faster ATI Radeon graphics and USB 2.0 connectivity to peripherals.
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“brain dead
life support is being administered by Dr. I Pod Shallipulldamac
selling 3 to 4 million computers per year worldwide when the market is selling approximately 200 million means death for the mac and the apple os.
hope they can survive selling to a few print publishers and various designers…edu is abandoning them faster than you can say netware.
their relevance is approaching sgi’s.
tick tock”
Well now you are really trolling.
They haven’t lost anything in their core markets, they have gained ground in the home market, and the iPod is just a bonus for mindshare. They are one of the only two profitable hardware companies, and OS X is pushing them into the scientific market. Of those 200 million PCs a year, take into consideration how many of them are cheap nothingness boxes sold in bulk to large corporations. Outside of their core markets and office boxes they are second in sales only to Dell. Notice MS’s inability to deliver anything new in an OS in years (and from the looks of it, years to come as well), and notice Gateway closing all it’s stores. Notice the rise in Mac sales year over year. How can you call yourself anything but a troll?
If an item is deemed expensive isn’t it already a bad value?
Why should that be the case? I think my iPod was very expensive, but I think its a great value.
you live in a fantasy world or what?
dell and toshiba and ibm and emachines and hp are profitable
all of them and gateway, nec, fujitsu-seimens outsell apple by large margins.
scientific market is to be taken by linux and real unix and apple doesnt stand a chance…why would anyone pay a premium for garageband and pretty cases to do dna research?
dell sure does seem to make a lot of dough on those corporate boxes you so denigrate.
hp/compaq too with those $739 specials
even emachines with the $349 rock bottom specials is making money.
windows server 2003 is a year old
windows small business server 2003 is 6 months old
speech server 2004 launches June 1…
biztalk server 2004 just shipped….
ms office 2003 is 6 months old….
infopath 2003….
onenote 2003….
mediacenter os just had new release….
tabletpc os is new….
windows mobile 2003 and now 2004….
windows xp 64 bit in public beta (for free) and to go gold in 2004.
plenty new, and as xp is doing just great there is no need to pay $129 like a mac user every year to pay apple to produce a non beta OS three years late.
gateway closed its stores yep.
why wont apple reveal to the world and its stockholders precise sales figures for what they do at their stores?
“dell and toshiba and ibm and emachines and hp are profitable”
Actually, Dell is the only one of those that’s making an overall profit. IBM has profitable areas, but their PCs aren’t one of them. eMachines was acquired by Gateway, who isn’t profitable. Toshiba and HP aren’t profitable, either.
“all of them and gateway, nec, fujitsu-seimens outsell apple by large margins.”
Read what I said. I said that outside of Apple’s core markets, and outside of the business market, Apple is only second in sales to Dell. Take out the business market and all those other companies don’t have nearly as high a marketshare. Even Dell stated that over 80% of their sales are in bulk to large businesses, though that’s not where their profit comes from.
“scientific market is to be taken by linux and real unix and apple doesnt stand a chance…why would anyone pay a premium for garageband and pretty cases to do dna research?”
They don’t buy Macs for pretty cases and for Garage Band…
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/03/31/bioitworld/index.php…
“dell sure does seem to make a lot of dough on those corporate boxes you so denigrate.”
No, they sell a lot of them, they don’t make a lot of money off of them. They make money elsewhere.
“hp/compaq too with those $739 specials”
Neither of which are profitable companies right now.
“even emachines with the $349 rock bottom specials is making money.”
eMachines is now part of Gateway, who is most obviously failing.
“windows server 2003 is a year old
windows small business server 2003 is 6 months old”
Didn’t realize we were talking servers here.
“speech server 2004 launches June 1…
biztalk server 2004 just shipped….
ms office 2003 is 6 months old….
infopath 2003….
onenote 2003….”
None of those are operating systems.
“mediacenter os just had new release….
tabletpc os is new….
windows mobile 2003 and now 2004….”
Those have all pretty much been flopping, and we are talking desktop OS’s here, it’s an eMac thread.
“windows xp 64 bit in public beta (for free) and to go gold in 2004.”
That’s not a new OS, it just allows a current one to run on new hardware.
“plenty new, and as xp is doing just great there is no need to pay $129 like a mac user every year to pay apple to produce a non beta OS three years late.”
First off, XP is selling pathetically off the shelves, almost all it’s sales are pre-installed PCs. Secondly, Apple doesn’t force anyone to upgrade every year, you can wait as long as you want…it’s not a subscription. Thirdly, OS X was far enough along to be non beta at 10.1, which they offered a free upgrade from 10.0. The only issue was a slow GUI.
“why wont apple reveal to the world and its stockholders precise sales figures for what they do at their stores?”
Actually, part of what they released today was sales figures from it’s retail stores, as well as it’s plans for opening new ones here in the US, and in London.
this week at circuit city page 14 4-18-04 to 4-24-4
emachines tower t3085 all for only $609
amd athlon xp 3000+
front side bus 333mhz
512MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM expandable to 2gb
160GB 7200RPM Ultra DMA hard drive
cd-rom drive
dvd + – r/rw drive (DVD+/-RW drive: 4x DVD+/-R write, 2.4x DVD+RW write, 2x DVD-RW write, 16x CD-R write, 10x CD-RW write, 12x DVD-ROM read, 40x CD-ROM read; CD-ROM drive: 48x read)
64mb nvidia geforce4 mx video card
8-in-1 media reader (USB 2.0, SD (Secure Digital), Smart Media, Compact Flash, Memory Stick®, Memory Stick Pro®, Micro Drive, MultiMedia Card)
56K ITU V.92 ready fax/modem
nForce™ 5.1 6-channel audio
2 speakers
lexmark inkjet printer z705
17″ flat screen crt eview17f3
multimedia keyboard
2 button scroll wheel mouse
full 1 year warranty
software encluded:
Operating System and Vendor Utility Software: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
Productivity Software Included: Microsoft® Works 6.0, Money 20034, Encarta Online, Adobe® Acrobat Reader®, Norton AntiVirus™ 2004 (90-day free subscription)
Internet Software Included: Internet Explorer, CompuServe®, AOL® 9.0
Educational/Entertainment Software Included: Power DVD, Microsoft® Media Player, RealPlayer, Roxio Easy CD & DVD Creator Basic
$360 less than new high end eMac with the same or better features.
Wow.
” reason why mac sales are less than ipods”
That’s an easy one. There is more demand for a music player than a computer. Duh. Look at the Walkman.
“this week at circuit city page 14 4-18-04 to 4-24-4
emachines tower t3085 all for only $609
amd athlon xp 3000+
front side bus 333mhz
512MB PC2700 DDR SDRAM expandable to 2gb
160GB 7200RPM Ultra DMA hard drive
cd-rom drive
dvd + – r/rw drive (DVD+/-RW drive: 4x DVD+/-R write, 2.4x DVD+RW write, 2x DVD-RW write, 16x CD-R write, 10x CD-RW write, 12x DVD-ROM read, 40x CD-ROM read; CD-ROM drive: 48x read)
64mb nvidia geforce4 mx video card
8-in-1 media reader (USB 2.0, SD (Secure Digital), Smart Media, Compact Flash, Memory Stick®, Memory Stick Pro®, Micro Drive, MultiMedia Card)
56K ITU V.92 ready fax/modem
nForce™ 5.1 6-channel audio
2 speakers
lexmark inkjet printer z705
17″ flat screen crt eview17f3
multimedia keyboard
2 button scroll wheel mouse
full 1 year warranty”
Let me tell you this now before you go any further. Any way you look at it, eMachines are the absolute worst computers you can get your hands on. You can’t get lower on the food chain. Even die-hard PC loving Mac haters will agree on that.
“software encluded:
Operating System and Vendor Utility Software: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition”
That’s your second problem.
“Productivity Software Included: Microsoft® Works 6.0,”
Don’t use it so I won’t say much, but I hear it’s about the equivalent of AppleWorks.
“Money 20034,”
Hopefully that won’t be used for anything other than simple home budgeting.
“Encarta Online,”
Boring version of World Book Multimedia.
“Adobe® Acrobat Reader®,”
Slow and outdated.
“Norton AntiVirus™ 2004 (90-day free subscription)”
With a good OS that wouldn’t be needed.
“Internet Software Included: Internet Explorer, CompuServe®, AOL® 9.0”
That’s not really a bonus.
“Educational/Entertainment Software Included: Power DVD,”
It makes me cringe to think you can compare that garbage to iDVD.
“Microsoft® Media Player,”
Blah…it’s on everything.
“RealPlayer,”
Another one on everything (I still don’t like using it).
“Roxio Easy CD & DVD Creator Basic”
That does less than the Finder. Roxio’s only decent software is Toast, which I only use to burn multiplatform kiosks, which can’t be done on Windows anyway.
“$360 less than new high end eMac with the same or better features.”
I wouldn’t call an eMac the same or better than anything. What you are getting for $360 less is horribly bad hardware quality, a just-good-enough-to-get-by OS, and the bottom of the barrel software, some of which is only there to make up for the operating systems shortcomings.
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people that are quite happy with their emachines. yep, they are inexpensive and not top end PCs. they are bargain PCs and at $390 less than an eMac, that is why they outsell Macs.
this machine at $609 is a powerful solution for the typical family that wants to do email, web surf, chat, play with some photos, do homework, burn cds and dvds, edit home movies, play games….and with the $390 they save over the emac they can buy a digital still camera or digital movie camera, palm or pocketpc, home theatre system, etc etc.
wouldnt we all be so lucky if $390 meant nothing.
emachines now sells more computers than apple.
they have low budget models and mid quality models.
yes, the one listed here is a low budget pc.
the emac is a low budget mac.
the emac has a better warranty than an emac.
and
it has a substantially faster cpu.
it has a better video card with 2x the video memory.
it has 2x the RAM
it has 2 optical drives for drive to drive burning.
it has an open hard drive bay.
it has an open agp slot.
it has 2 open pci slots.
it has 2x the hard drive space
it has a memory reader.
it includes a printer that sells stand alone for about $70.
it has a monitor that can easily be replaced or upgraded.
if you buy the speakers, it supports 5.1 surround sound natively.
the dvd drive supports both + and – standards.
xp home is installed on over 100 million computers worldwide and does just great.
the bundled software is not top end, but on a bargain PC it is more than adequate for most users doing basic tasks.
are you suggesting that there is any computer and/or OS that should operate without anti-virus and/or firewall software? if so, then you are a poor member of the online community. all computers should be protected to keep the community safe.
How many times are you going to keep double posting? You’ve managed to turn two different threads into the same debate.