“The Ubuntu team is proud to announce the Preview Release of Ubuntu 5.10. The Preview Release includes both Install CDs and bootable Live CDs for three architectures.” Download it here. Simultaniously, Kubuntu Breezy Preview has also been released. Download it here.
These new breed of easy to use distros are making too much of their innovations. none of them (ubuntu, mepis, knoppix, linspire, xandros etc etc) have contributed to any development of linux as ‘operating system’. All of them are just packing old wine in new bottle.
If these distros are so great why all the forums related to distro are full of difficulties and problems facing to linux community. Just look at forums and you will find difficulties involving installation, x-window, applications, fonts….and what not…The funniest thing is that these difficulties are so common to all the distros makes impression of how not to develop a operating system……
Something needs to be done not to repeat mistakes again and again……
Should I count all the forum posts on difficulties with Windows? With OS X? With xyz?
look from average joe’s view point and you will see they can at least install and get running windows or mac. And definitely length of forums count proportionately to difficulties…..
the point here is why same problems repeat from distro-to-distro…
If someone is building home without roof…..someone without water facility…someone without…..doors Then isn’t it better to build a ‘complete home’ and live together happily…..
If someone is building home without roof…..someone without water facility…someone without…..doors Then isn’t it better to build a ‘complete home’ and live together happily…..
Now that’s a silly analogy at least I haven’t heard of yet… Cheers mate!
“from average joe’s view point and you will see they can at least install and get running windows ”
Not true.
Average Joe does not know where his Windows Install disk is, never mind what to do with it. Average joe has trouble setting his VCR clock.
Working in home-user tech-support, I often am faced with the dilema of whether to talk a user through install on the phone, or ask them to bring the box into the shop.
90% are brought in – either with or without an attempt over the phone.
“the point here is why same problems repeat from distro-to-distro…
If someone is building home without roof…..someone without water facility…someone without…..doors”
These are different problems.
If the problems do not seem to be distro-specific, maybe they are problems in the kernel. Or in the GNU-tools.
Mayhap the users themselves are getting beyond their depth and run to the vendor (distributor) for support on any topic, whether distro-specific or not.
I certainly used the Slackware forums to find out what my XFree86.conf settings should be. And got the answers I needed.
Average joe has trouble setting his VCR clock.
Hey… I have trouble setting my VCR clock (and playing CDs using the PS2’s interface for that matter). Linux hasn’t been as complex as the average VCR/TV-attached gadget since RedHat 5.x. Have you seen the “TV menu” of a modern HDTV? I literally had to go through an “install wizard” to plug in a DVD player!
The average joe user can be talked through using a Windows install cd or rescue disk by a vendor phone tech. Of course, afterwards they’re gonna wonder what happened to all their data, since the phone tech didn’t explain the need to back it up first (since that would be way too complicated).
The average joe user can be talked through using a Windows install cd or rescue disk by a vendor phone tech. Of course, afterwards they’re gonna wonder what happened to all their data, since the phone tech didn’t explain the need to back it up first (since that would be way too complicated).
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Can you point out at least one linux distro with proper rescue system(maybe except mepis) for average joe. All that hitting rescue at boot screen leads to commond line prompt and then what ??? should average joe do to rescue his data from # onwards. he cannot even mount usb/cd disk from # without modifying fstab.
So linux rescue discs or data backup systems are no better than windows.
What’s your point? I’m not bashing on Windows per se, I’m disagreeing with the person I was replying to who stated:
“look from average joe’s view point and you will see they can at least install and get running windows or mac.”
The fact is most don’t understand how to. They buy a PC with the OS installed, and the only time they’re likely to have the experience of “installing” it is if something went wrong. And in that case they’re simply walked through clicking through screen after screen, with the end result being a reinstall back to factory settings with all their data gone.
That involves no real understanding of what they’re doing, and they could just as easily install many Linux distros with the same level of understanding (i.e., none at all).
Don’t give me that shit T(h)om. Xorg config still sucks ass.
Don’t give me that shit T(h)om.
Erm, my name is Thom. There is nothing odd about that h, no need to put it between parantheses. And no, it’s not short for Thomas. It’s just Thom. So don’t try to be funny.
Xorg config still sucks ass.
Did I say otherwise?
Also could be that most Linux users are more comfortable posting complaints and help requests on php enabled forums. I also hear a lot of Windows complaining around the water cooler than that of Linux.
They are common difficulties because your average computer user shouldn’t be allowed to own a computer. Have you ever visited a Windows troubleshooting forum? Same thing.
I’ve had relatives ask me to drive 30 miles to “fix” their computer because they moved the taskbar to the top of the screen. It’s not poor software, it’s stupid users.
> They are common difficulties because your average
> computer user shouldn’t be allowed to own a computer.
> Have you ever visited a Windows troubleshooting forum?
> Same thing.
No. They are common difficulties because Linux and Windows are making the same mistakes. It’s not the “stupid user’s” mistake if
– hardware detection fails
– the software crashes
– the machine gets infected with malware
And even those problems that affect only “stupid” users are better fixed, like
– It shouldn’t be so easy to move the taskbar around since you won’t be doing this every ten minutes.
– Morin
“It’s not the “stupid user’s” mistake if
– hardware detection fails
– the software crashes
– the machine gets infected with malware”
Oh I think they have quite a part in it. If you deliberately go out in the rain then don’t fraggin’ complain about getting wet. Also, when a hardware component doesn’t work well is quite frequently the result of bad configuration which mainly comes from the 6pack user not having a clue what they have in their box.
I don’t think Linux would be a better place if it were tailored to meet all the requirements of the computer-ignorant masses. You can’t be the best in everything simultaneously.
Of course the average joe can’t tell the internet from “e”, an x86 pc from a mac, for most yes, the monitor is the computer and the OS is just what comes with it. If linux distributions’ most aim would be to satisfy these people then I guess we’d be better off with Windows.
I don’t think Linux would be a better place if it were tailored to meet all the requirements of the computer-ignorant masses. You can’t be the best in everything simultaneously.
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then why linux zeolets start cursing windows as soon as they wake up in the morning…
If it is not tailored for masses……then why mimiking like copycat the windows interface into KDE/GNOME…..why not live with commond line….you experts!
> Oh I think they have quite a part in it. If you
> deliberately go out in the rain then don’t fraggin’
> complain about getting wet.
I must admit that I don’t understand what you mean with this. Also, I think that there are fundamental flaws in the system if hardware detection *can* fail, software *can* be brought down, and malware *can* infect the system. The problem is not that the user hits these flaws, but that the flaws exist.
> Also, when a hardware component doesn’t work well is
> quite frequently the result of bad configuration
> which mainly comes from the 6pack user not having a
> clue what they have in their box.
Then why is such configuration needed and exposed to Mr. Sixpack? Do I really have to explain how to build a system in which things like IRQs need not be configured manually?
– Morin
I agree with you 100%. Linux devs simply don’t get it. I last looked at Ubuntu. It’s a joke.
THEY STILL WON’T GET IT NEXT YEAR TOO.
You seem to misunderstand the term ‘Linux.’ Linux is just the kernel. GNU/Linux is the collection of linux and GNU userland utilities. Most of the time, the problems lie in the userland, and thus, have nothing to do with linux. Many distros already share a common base, too, so you should really know what you’re talking about before spouting out stuff like that.
-bytecoder
When you are competing with MS as DESKTOP, end-user dont care about what is underneath system wheather it is kernel. X or something and’ linux is not operating system’ is very evading argument to deflect blame.
For average joe/jane CRT or LCD monitor is the operating system and not the cpu box.
Yeah, and not all of them even have Wine packaged 🙂
Jokes aside, I wonder what is the difference between this and Colony 4 CD that was released recently…
xorg.cfg sucks ass. someone needs to step up to the plate and put a gui on top of that mess. It’s almost 2006 and it’s still “unix”
x.org already has a GUI configuration tool. Unfortunately, it’s worst than reading the man page. 🙂
Seriously, thought, with most distributions you don’t ever have to look at xorg.conf and I believe that is the future. The holy grail of UIs is to have no UI.
I use Linux (server/desktopOS) daily, and i like it. But I’m always so amused over the fact that as soon as someone criticizes Linux the answer is “Well, it’s just the kernel. Go blame the authors of the software you’re having trouble with instead. RTFM you newbie!”.
On the other hand – if someone praises Linux it’s suddenly “Linux – the OS that kicks Windows ass”.
I realize the previous poster was trolling, but.. It’s still silly.
This is a problem with the current way people refer to various parts of the Linux/GNU/FOSS/FOO/BAR/etc community.
To rally under a common banner, people have latched on to the word “Linux” to refer not only to the kernel, the OS, the distribution (kernel+OS+tools+apps+WD/DE+etc+foo+bar), and also the community, the ethos behind OSS, and anything that touches it.
OSGalaxy is cool, but can we filter these Sun guys from spaming their boingo-boingo bullshit every fucking day?
Nice to see a good discussion about Breezy Badger!
Excuse me for going into topic, but anyone know if Firefox 1.5 has any chance of making it into Breezy?
Excuse me for going into topic, but anyone know if Firefox 1.5 has any chance of making it into Breezy?
Not in the main repository, code freeze happened already. But I’m sure it will be in Ubuntu’s backports repository when it comes out.
Excuse me for going into topic, but anyone know if Firefox 1.5 has any chance of making it into Breezy?
Didn’t make it – it’s still in beta and Breezy is already in FeatureFreeze. However Firefox 1.5 will probably be available in backports or other non-main section.
It’s possible. I think Gnome 2.10 made it into the distro after Hoary’s feature freeze. It really depends on when 1.5 final is available.
Gnome 2.10 would have to be in Hoary, because the Ubuntu releases are timed to match new versions of Gnome. They wouldn’t bother to release Ubuntu without putting the latest Gnome in there, as that would ruin the whole point of having the release schedule set up like that.
Xorg is being fixed. The most important issue is to seperate the different parts of xorg.
X is mostly two parts:
1) The part that runs where the programs are.
2) The part that controlls the screen, mouse, keyboard..
It is number two that is the major problem. Seperating this one out from number one is important.
People usaly only think about number two when they think about xorg.
Hmm… yes actually it’s true; I often do think about “number two” when I use xorg.
Can anyone comment on how Kubuntu 5.10 looks? I mean, I use Kubuntu 5.4 now and it’s not terribly polished… They didn’t seem to have it set up to use ESD, so all the programs I used had to have their sound system switched to ALSA (without dmix, because I really didn’t have the time to set it up again)
And if they were making the folders easier to access and not from the desktop, why not add a single actual link (say, to home, not to the list of folders) in the Kicker? I don’t remember ANY applications in the Kicker before I customized that.
That’s all I can remember for now… I fixed most of my problems since I know my way around KDE
looks the same as before …
is this Kubuntu just like Kubuntu Hoary, i.e. they slap on KDE like slapping lipstick on a whore.
The Hoary Kubuntu had the control panel riddled with stupid bugs.
this is no troll, unlike you linux fanboys i’m honest about it.
Hey stop that flame waring, and check out the change log. Wow this is one cool release!
About Ubuntu 5.10 Preview
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To see it all, you’ll need to try the CD, but the highlights
include:
On the Desktop
* GNOME 2.12 — Very fresh… Released yesterday!!
* OpenOffice.org 2.0 beta 2
* X.org 6.8.2 with wider hardware support
* An enhanced tool for easily installing new applications
(see “Add/Remove Programs” in the System Administration menu)
* A new tool which makes it easy to install support for
multiple languages (Language Selector)
* Editable GNOME menus
* Applications are now linked into the Launchpad infrastructure
(new entries on the Help menus for translation and support)
* Support for writing audio CDs (Serpentine)
* Graphical boot process with progress bar (USplash)
On the Server
* PHP5
* Support for installing directly onto LVM volumes
* Built-in thin client functionality produced in cooperation
with the LTSP project (http://wiki.ubuntu.com/ThinClientHowto)
* Simple NFS root setup with automatic hardware detection
through initramfs-tools
* Support for up to 4 gigabytes of RAM by default on 32-bit
architectures
* Kernel support for cluster filesystems (OCFS2 and GFS)
Hardware Support Improvements
* Linux 2.6.12.5 with many updated drivers from third parties
* Further enhancements to laptop support (hot keys,
and working suspend/resume on more models)
* HP all-in-one printer/scanner devices are supported out of
the box
* Bluetooth input devices (such as keyboards and mice) are
supported out of the box
* Multiple audio devices are handled more gracefully (and one
can easily select the default device)
* 64-bit PowerPC kernel available
Installation
* A new OEM mode to simplify the process of preinstalling
Ubuntu on computers for resale or redistribution
* Automatically makes existing hard drive partitions available
to the desktop
* Simple “dual boot” configuration with automatic resizing of
an existing installed OS
* The second stage of the installation now has a progress bar
“Under the hood”
* GCC 4.0.1
* glibc 2.3.5
* New early userspace infrastructure based on initramfs-tools
* More modular X.org packaging
As always, Ubuntu includes the very best of the 100% FREE / LIBRE
application software world, and each new release incorporates
countless new features and bugfixes from the global development
community.
” “Under the hood”
* GCC 4.0.1
* glibc 2.3.5
* New early userspace infrastructure based on initramfs-tools
* More modular X.org packaging ”
I haven’t tried this release myself, but a colleague of mine, who is paid to check out the accessibility features of the latest free software desktops, tried installing it. It hung initializing the kernel, so I helped him by removing the ‘quiet’ option from the bootloader. Turns out it was hanging at loading the kernel into initramfs. Looks like those infrastructure changes had a few side-effects…
As I’m posting, just finished to download Kubuntu Live via BitTorrent and it is a Ubuntu install (or maybe Kubuntu…anyway it isn’t live)
It’s not. New LiveCD layout acts like Ubuntu/Debian installer. You can pick up language and then it will detect hardware and start Live session.
Ubuntu still hasn’t updated their Xmame packages. Debian Unstable has had 0.99 for a while now, and Ubuntu still hasn’t gone beyond 0.86, which I think was in Warty! They do have the source for 0.90 in their Archives, but it’s not packaged yet.
Ubuntu still hasn’t updated their Xmame packages. Debian Unstable has had 0.99 for a while now, and Ubuntu still hasn’t gone beyond 0.86, which I think was in Warty! They do have the source for 0.90 in their Archives, but it’s not packaged yet.
Its because its in the multiverse. for some reason Ubuntu does not update teh multiverse. The zsnes is ancient as well.
I’ve just finished installing Colony 4 and you tell me there’s new preview release?
My first impressions are pretty good even tough I don’t see much improvements except Gnome 2.12 and no cryptic messages during installation. Update notifier pop ups nice message now and Simple Menu Editor for Gnome is included by default – very good decision since the one that comes with Gnome sucks. Colony 4 failed to detect my monitor refresh rate and it seems there is no xorg configuration tool (xorg-conf or something) by default. I had to edit it by hand so I hope it’ll be fixed by the final release.
I can pretty definitively say that Firefox 1.5 will NOT be in Breezy. There’s a lot of hype right now about it because they just released the first beta. The second beta is scheduled for October. That second beta is just that, still a beta. Even when they get to the release candidate stages, it will still be at least a couple weeks before it goes gold.
Firefox 1.5 will come out significantly after Breezy. On the bright side, Firefox is definitely one of the easiest Linux programs to install – mostly because it doesn’t have a lot of dependencies. Just download the Linux version from Mozilla and double click on the firefox.sh file (in gnome it will give you a dialogue prompting you to run or view the file and just click run) and you’re done. Heck, modify the shortcut in the pannel to point to the new Firefox and it will work as if it were installed by Ubuntu.
I’m sure that some people will still prefer a package they can install from apt, but without dependencies, Firefox is a synch to install manually. Just unpack the archive and you’re done.
What you’re saying happened with Hoary too. What I’m saying is that when you’re asked how to partition your HD it isn’t exactly a “live” experience. I stopped there…anyway I’ll try to download the ISO again not via BT
Well first off, I’m a newb still to Linux, but I always read the reviews and have tried many distros. My problem is that I can not find any distro that supports my hardware. I was wondering if there are any that I have not tried. My hardware is as follows:
EPOX NForce 4 Ultra MB
Athlon 64 3200
ATI X700 Pro
SATA Hard Drive
SATA Plextor DVD Burner
My problem seems to be either the SATA DVDR/W or the PCI Express video card. Please Help!
My problem seems to be either the SATA DVDR/W or the PCI Express video card. Please Help!
SATA should present no problem.
PCI Express should present no problem.
Even in several year old Linux distrobutions I’ve had no problems with either of these.
Getting acceleration on your ATI card might be troublesome, so keep that in mind, but as far as just getting it to run the window managers and application, I don’t think it should give you a problem. I don’t have a lot of experience with ATIs though, so keep that in mind.
“SATA should present no problem.”
That is incorrect. The Ubuntu installer cannot handle certain SATA drives, such as the ones used in Dell desktops for the past year or so. They only recently identified the problem, but not in time for latest release: https://bugzilla.ubuntu.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13506
That’s all fairly recent hardware, so the newest distro possible is always a good idea. I’d give Mandriva 2006 RC1 or OpenSUSE 10.0 RC1 a shot, and maybe this Ubuntu release (though the other reply saying they have a bug with some SATA drives might be a problem for you).
I’ve already tried the new Unbuntu releases (AMD 64 and 386 versions) and both send me to the CL and I cannot get the Xserver to start. I’ve tried the cd’s in my Gateway Athlon 64 Laptop and everything is fine there (except for the Wireless Networking) I have a spare computer laying around, maybe I’ll swap out the SATA DVD/RW with a IDE DVD drive and see what happens. I will post my results later this weekend. This may narrow it down to either the SATA DVD/RW or the ATI X700. I will also try the other distros as suggested (though I kinda like Debian based distros better). I’ll keep everyone up to date.
It will be your ATI X700. I had the X600 Pro and had the exact same problems, put in an nVidia 7800 and the thing just fires up, had nothing but problems with the ATI – And just for those that think this is a ATI verses nVidia thing, I’ve always prefered ATI over nVidia, but the fact remains – ATI’s support for linux sucks!
Your problem is the SATA DVD burner. SATA/ATAPI support is sketchy in Linux (and in Windows too, for that matter, but that’s a different rant). At least on my machine, the problem is that no install CD on the planet (for any OS) will boot from my SATA CD-RW. What you have to do is use a distro like RedHat (Fedora) that supports install over FTP. Download the FTP install CD, and boot from it. It’ll boot just fine, because the BIOS handles that first step. Now, just use the FTP installer as you normally would. Since the installer loads the rest of the packages from the internet, insteaad of the CD, it won’t have a problemw ith your SATA burner.
Ati has a history of poor Linux drivers, about the SATA I don’t know much about it. But I assume that any late Distro should support it. Still you should be able to install and run Ubuntu.
Isn’t YaST open source now? If so, why the hell aren’t they using the display config offered in YaST rather than have people waste time editing the Xorg config file(s) by hand? I’m not suggesting using YaST’s package management by any means, but some of the tools in YaST such as the display configuration utility makes me wish they would use it if it is indeed open source.
OH YEAH MEGA CH1X0RZ! That got your attention
Isn’t YaST open source now? If so, why the hell aren’t they using the display config offered in YaST rather than have people waste time editing the Xorg config file(s) by hand?
Because its a QT app. Ubuntu is a Gnome distro. This actually matter more to developers than just having the function.
That’s another reason why they should switch to KDE !
Wait, I’m just joking, I am a KDE fanboy, but I asssume there should be a choice for everyone. If you like GNOME, stick to it !!!
Isn’t YaST open source now? If so, why the hell aren’t they using the display config offered in YaST rather than have people waste time editing the Xorg config file(s) by hand?
Theoretically, it should just work “out of the box”. Second, probably because nobody has ported it to Ubuntu? See below for details.
Because its a QT app. Ubuntu is a Gnome distro. This actually matter more to developers than just having the function.
Not exactly. There is a Qt frontend for YaST as well as a ncurses one. So if somebody wanted to they could write a GTK+ frontend. All the SuSE-specific stuff would also have to be ported. There’s a Debian project doing something with this (Google will reveal the URL).
YAST or something similar to it would make Ubuntu even more accessible and thus more popular.One central configuration screen that covers most needed functions quickly.Advanced users can still use the CLI whenever they want.
I have tried Kubuntu once, just before intalling Ubuntu. Well, it failed to detect my screen and ati radeon card properly, gave many errors while installing the OS. On the other hand, Ubuntu installed nicely, and detected almost everything properly. Kubuntu is still maturing.. and laptop users still better keeps their hands away from it, Ubuntu is the place to be still… Xorg, and X server still sucks in Kubuntu
And i still wonder, if they are sharing the same base and everything except the DE, howcome there is that much difference..Well anyways enjoy the nice and comfort of gnome and ubuntu base
Interesting. I have Kubuntu Hoary running on an IBM R50p. There were no issues with the install, and everything works including the IBM buttons, power control, and the fglrx driver with the FireGL T2 chip that’s in the laptop.
“The Ubuntu team is proud to announce the Preview Release of Ubuntu 5.10.”
Yes, I’m sure they are proud.
I’m very sad that so many people want to make distributions based on Debian. Why aren’t they making Debian the best it can be?
There is no bright future for Ubuntu, and even less for Kubuntu.
Last year we had UserLinux and Knoppix. I’m sure there will be new Knoppixes and Kubuntus, but I prefer the real thing.
I’m not trying to make a car analogue this time, let’s compare this to a relationship…
Debian spinoffs are just like having a one night stand. They may seem like a good idea at first, but you can bet it’ll end soon. You realize you could have spent the same time/money to your regular relationship. Spinoffs seem interesting at first sight, but the regular sh*g will do your laundry, cook your meal and does pretty good job in it…
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I don’t get why w always get these “Debian vs Debian-based” wars. If some people aims to make an user friendly Linux distribution based on Debian, why shouldn’t they? Should mr Shuttleworth had changed Debian into Ubuntu? How would he had went about that?
Debian is great, but it’s not focused at being a desktop distro. Therefore I think it’s great that projects such as Ubuntu exists: it makes normal people able to enjoy Debian while not having to go to the trouble of installing and configuring Gnome and X
Why aren’t they making Debian the best it can be?
Because they don’t want to go through the Debian red tape. They want a semi-stable Sid, not a bunch of politics.
There is no bright future for Ubuntu, and even less for Kubuntu.
A foundation with $18 mil in the bank begs to differ.
Why aren’t they making Debian the best it can be?
Because they don’t want to go through the Debian red tape. They want a semi-stable Sid, not a bunch of politics.
If the problem was Debian policies, there are already quite a bunch of Debian based distros. Why another distro? The solution is _not_ to make new distributions.
There is no bright future for Ubuntu, and even less for Kubuntu.
A foundation with $18 mil in the bank begs to differ.
If you’ve been around a bit longer than a couple years, you’ve seen shooting stars come and go. The biggest obstacle is not money. It’s the voluntary developer community. Make another newbie distro and you’ll get bunch of newbies using your distro. What you don’t get is:
– thousands of developers
– over 15000 software packages
– stable and secure os
IMO the problem with Debian is the lack of GUI tools:
“Welcome to OpenLDAP Wizard” or “Do you want to add another virtual web server”.
I’d much rather have the money spent on Debian than wasted on Ubuntu, which will be another UserLinux, Corel, Knoppix and whatnot.
I must add that I do not dislike Ubuntu itself. It looks nice although it was not very stable when I tested it. I just don’t see it as a good idea.
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If the problem was Debian policies, there are already quite a bunch of Debian based distros. Why another distro? The solution is _not_ to make new distributions.
And if none of them did the job? I thought F/OSS was about choice. You know, if you don’t like something, you can develop it your own way.
I’d much rather have the money spent on Debian than wasted on Ubuntu, which will be another UserLinux, Corel, Knoppix and whatnot.
We will see. So far, Ubuntu gained momentum/hype that those distros never managed to get. I wouldn’t count it out already, especially if Debian innovations and release cycles are not getting better.
If the problem was Debian policies, there are already quite a bunch of Debian based distros. Why another distro? The solution is _not_ to make new distributions.
Because no libre Debian spinoff till Ubuntu forked the Debian repository to avoid problems that comes with using Debian repos when you aren’t using pure Debian.
Plus, why work with others when its so easy to just fork instead?
If you’ve been around a bit longer than a couple years, you’ve seen shooting stars come and go. The biggest obstacle is not money. It’s the voluntary developer community. Make another newbie distro and you’ll get bunch of newbies using your distro. What you don’t get is:
– thousands of developers
– over 15000 software packages
– stable and secure os
Get this idea: Ubuntu gets to use the work of Debian’s thousands of developers AND gets to add 15 really good paid ones. Why buy the cow when the milk is libre?
And I don’t know how long you used Ubuntu, but with the universe repository enabled I get to install more packages in Hoary than Sarge.
I don’t see whats “bad” about Ubuntu. So you think is not a good idea? Well cool that you have an opinion. We all do. Do you have $18 million to donate to development of the Gnu desktop (much of Ubuntu’s work is used by real Gnome)? No? Mark did, so he used it on what he thought was a good idea. If he was wrong, oh well….won’t make Gnome 2.12 or Debian go away!
That’s why it’s the most popular distribution on the planet, and it has millions in funding.
Just because you don’t like it, it doesn’t mean that it has no future.
What a limited individual.
I’ve lost faith in Ubuntu. After running hoary for 3 months, it gets trashed after a kernel update, no way to boot the system, no answers on how to fix it. Install latest preview release, all goes pretty smooth i I disable apic but! No network, ok – so just install the the drivers from skyconnect. Sorry can’t do, kernel is compiled using gcc-3.4, but gcc-4.02 is installed, where do I find gcc-3.4, not available + sk98lin support removed from the kernel, now replaced with skeg driver, but it doesn’t work, so I’m screwed, no network! Try to install Nvidia drivers 7676, I have a 7800 GTX, nope can’t do, wrong gcc version WTF! This is bloody ridiculous! this is supposed to be a newbie friendly distro, like farken hell. I never had any of these sorts of “stupid” problems with Fedora, Redhat or plain old Debian. Linux is becoming a real chore to use, it’s no wonder people are looking to a DRM virus ridden windows, at least it bloody works!
No worries, mate. You pay Canonical Limited some money and they’ll come and fix your computer in no time. : )
http://www.ubuntu.com/support/supportoptions/
Yes I know exactly what you’re refering to I think and you might be right on the money with that statement!
just installed ubuntu and kubuntu on 2 different machines. one with an ati radeon7000 card, the other with an nvidia mx200. both have onboard sound and network and are k7 based (athlon xp, duron). i am pleased to say this test release is stable as hell, and having upgraded the gnome ubuntu and started from scratch with the kubuntu i must say i am very pleased with this release even given its testing status. i have a few minor bugs i have encountered, but with the exception of firefox randomly quiting on both machines (may have something to do with mozplugger or the mplayer plugin), there are no bugs big enough to stop this release. ubuntu may have it right this time, breezy seems cosmetically nearly identical, but functionally the OS’s have nice new touches and bug fixes (the 640×480 one comes to mind) that aren’t present in this batch. try it out, this shit is off the hook!
Well, I had my first Ubuntu experience with hoary and I really liked it. And now that I finished upgrading to breezy I see it’s Great!!!
I mean, I has everything that I came to expect from Ubuntu plus, *LoL*, a graphical boot…
Is it just me or it actually takes less time to load?