Submitted by SchilliX 0.3 has been released. The announcement was made on #opensolaris (and the ‘real’ announcement is here), and it stated that SchilliX is close to having a self-hosted platform now; one that is not Sun-supplied. Schillix 0.3 features build 27a with ZFS support of the OpenSolaris kernel. Download here. Elsewhere, here are some first impressions on the just-released Nexenta OS alpha 1.
Anyone know if it’s the true Debian setup? If so I’d seriously consider switching as long as the hardware works ok. I’m sick of the crappy sound support in Linux.
From what I understand sound support on UNIX is best found in ALSA. Exverywhere else just sucks, and from my experience anything but a few Creative cards in linux and you’re out of luck.
We can’t really blame the current devs, few of them have any free hardware and fewer have the hardware docs to do anything with the cards.
Argh, sorry for going off topic. My great sound card with breakout box, hardware eq, opt. and spdif in/out is useless under linux, and sound terrible because their’s no hardware mixing support.
The only thing missing for me from desktop x86 UNIX(-like) (that’s not tied down to hardware like os x) is the lack of decent sound support. For a few cards I know it’s incredibly good, studio quality recording and mixing in some caes, but just about everything else falls to the wayside.
As for the debian side of things, I can’t find anything on their main website that mentions anything about debian. Are you thinking of GNU/kFreeBSD maybe?
> Argh, sorry for going off topic. My great sound card with breakout box, hardware eq, opt. and spdif in/out is useless under linux, and sound terrible because their’s no hardware mixing support.
What is your sound card?. Have you tried the OSS drivers?. They have builtin mixing – they work great on Solaris x86.
It’s a modified CS46xx. Hercules Game Theater XP 7.1 is the card.
Support for it under OSS is worse than ALSA. Herucles doens’t even make x64 windows drivers for it so if I get Softimage|XSI foundation in the next year or so, with 64 bit support I might upgrade sound card before hand so windows x64 will support the card.
Have you given OpenSound a go? they have a free personal edition available for download – maybe your hardware will be supported through that? from what I understand, OpenSound 4.0 has been given a major overhaul – too bad, however, SUN speeds too much time re-inventing the wheel when a few million could buy out OpenSound, opensource the API and provide it free of charge with Solaris (and sell licences for other operating systems).
You are thinking of nexenta…
Because Joerg Schilling is somebody that no one else can work with. He’s aggressive and he isn’t able to work in a team.
I think Nexenta will be the “OpenSolaris-Distro” of the future …
Maybe, maybe not, but this troll at least works in the Solaris world and not in the not existing, legal violating GNU/Solaris world like Nexenta.
SchilliX is Solaris as much as it is possible today.
Maybe there will be other persons who will help Joerg “marketing” his distro while he can concentrate on the technical things like SPS what he can do better.
“This project will die…Because Joerg Schilling is somebody that no one else can work with. He’s aggressive and he isn’t able to work in a team.”
If this were true, OpenBSD wouldn’t have survived either.
Sometimes it takes a stong, individualist leader to take a project where it needs to go.
I noticed that for those who manage to install it they’ll have to manually install tarballs and set the PATH. So technically this doesn’t looks like a very user friendly System(not fot the faint of hearth). Better Give it a try and play with it.
That’s too bad. Setting up the PATH is really simple stuff, but I don’t understand: is there absolutely nothing in PATH? That is, what do you see when you type
echo $PATH
for the root user, and then for a non-root user? Is it possible that noprofile script is executed at logon?
I don’t know what’s in the default $PATH(Running Zenwalk Linux ATM) but from their site,
url: http://www.schillix.org/packages.html
HowTo install packages
Ok, this is very easy. There are 3 steps to install a given package from the list above
1. Download the package to your disk
# wget http://www.schillix.de/packages/screen-4.0.2.tar.bz2
2. Unpack the package with star
# star xvf screen-4.0.2.tar.bz2 -bz -C /
3. Set the default library search path with “crle”
# crle -l /lib:/usr/lib:/usr/X11R6/lib:/opt/gcc-3.4.3/lib
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3. Set the default library search path with “crle”
# crle -l /lib:/usr/lib:/usr/X11R6/lib:/opt/gcc-3.4.3/lib
That’s the library search path that on GNU/Linux system usually coincides with the contents of LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
That’s of course bullshit, but you can specify the library search path by setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH. In any case, it’s very different from setting the PATH environment variable.
Notice from the roadmap that the OpenSolaris installer has now been moved out to “After Jul 2006”.
Expect it to drift further before Sun actually delivers on it’s promise to open source Solaris . . .
Actually, Sun really doesn’t care what software you run since they don’t really make much (if any) money on Solaris. Sun just wants you to buy their hardware and hopefully their support contracts. They don’t care if you run Linux, *BSD, Solaris, OpenSolaris, or even Windows on their hardware as long as you buy their hardware.
Oh, and have you ever open sourced a proprietary operating system containing hundreds, if not thousands, of things that you’ve licensed from others? I didn’t think so, Sun said from the beginning that they are going to open source ALL of Solaris that they legally can and so far I think they’ve done a pretty damn good job of living up to that promise. It’s a massive amount of code to go through and it is going to take some time.
And you my friend seem to want us to believe your FUD…
And as much as I prefer OpenSource over Propietary Software, I understand that, like many OpenSource projects it will be when ready and not necesarilly on someone’s roadmap, and Besides, OpenSolaris Is here in the form of Nexenta, SchiliX and other OpenSolaris based systems.
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It’s not FUD, it’s an opinion. Feel free to look up the meaning of either if you are still unsure.
FUD= (Fear uncertainty and doubt) Spreding misinformation to make people change their minds.
Opinion = A person’s or group’s point of view of a topic but not necesarily a credible truth.
Saying that “Sun wants us all to use propietary software” IS spreading FUD, in my opinion.
However, it it’s not my intention to feed a flame war so this is my last comment on defining what FUD and Opinion mean.
That’s a very good comment, many Linux geeks spread FUD.
I know Sun doesn’t want us to use proprietary software. They have Open Office and now OpenSolaris. They would rather we bought their commercial versions, but they would rather we used the open ones than MS Office and Windows.
But I do like to spread uncertainty and doubt about Sun, personally, because if you aren’t affraid, if you don’t consider the possibility that Sun isn’t looking out for you, or doesn’t actually care about Open Source, you might give Sun more money than they deserve.
Sun has recently fixed a lot of the problems with their business, so I’m not nearly as affraid as I was around 2002. But I still don’t trust them.
However, I do trust them more than Microsoft, FWIW.
I’m just worried about the businesses Sun likes to partner with, like Microsoft and SCO. Why not partner with IBM and HP? That would certainly make me feel more comfortable.
Apparently you think they can integrate the new OpenSolaris installer, especially with capacity to install root into ZFS, overnight?
Does SchilliX have a GUI yet?
….an article on these OS’Solaris distros and what sort of people should be taking more interest in them. I like many are curios but don’t understand the benefits…yet.
Just a question; I’m having one hell of a time trying to install Solaris 10 onto a Dell Dimension 8400 desktop computer – the problem first starts with the detection of USB devices; if I suddenly pull them (keyboard and mouse) and put them back in, whilst the kernel loads, they seem to start working again.
Once installed; the installation fails to load, complaining about the hard disk – this hard disk is not faulty; Linux works on it without any problems; the firmware is updated to the latest version, the hard disk is SATA, however, the RAID has been disabled.
Anyone at sun can give me a heads up on it? Oh, btw its a 925X Intel chipset.
I am not sure if what I’m going to tell you will help or not, but I had problems installing Solaris 10 on a computer with a PATA drive that was set as “SATA” in the BIOS. It would work fine with windows but not with the Solaris 10 installer.
When I set it to PATA in the BIOS, it all worked perfectly, and it has now 65 days uptime (and we use it for performance testing of our other computers, so it’s quite a bit stressed out).
Anyone else sick of this “Because I can” mentality prevalent in the current Open Source OS arena now a days? Schilix looks like it is keeping close to compatability to Solaris but just making a slim-down install process, so power to them. But Nexenta? What is the POINT? Tell me why I would want to goto a Ubuntu distro with a Solaris Kernel swapped in instead? This just irks me. If you like Ubuntu/linux/GNU so darn much then USE IT. You want the Solaris Kernel then use Solaris Express and keep the integrated userland with it.
I am constantly amazed at how much energy and effort is spent on irrelevant projects and/or dumb “spin-offs”. WHY people? “Because you can” and “it’s the beauty of open source” has spun out of control to the point of massive anarchy and seems to keep getting worse.
This is how commercial software will continue to rule the world and why Microsoft isn’t going anywhere. Just about everything in the Open Source world seems to be a fork of something else but nothing ever seems to GAIN ground because of duplicated effort over and over. I had hoped that Solaris users wouldn’t have this mentality.
I agree: one kernel, one GUI, one OS. Also, one land and one fuhrer, for that matter. We should also eradicate all those who will refuse to use our totally Open Source OS, because they are inferior vermin.
Hi,
Some people may want to use the Solaris kernel, but are used to the GNU userland tools. Hence they want to integrate the userland tools. After all the GNU tools are independent of the kernel and can be used with any kernel. When you say that you want to use different OSes for different things, you generally refer to the Kernel. Even stability refers to the kernel stability. Hardware support also refers to the kernel hardware support.
Hope that clears some confusion ;^)
Makes sense to me. I have met a lot of people who don’t like Solaris only because the commands are a little different. This fixes the problem.
>I am constantly amazed at how much energy and effort is spent on irrelevant projects and/or dumb “spin-offs”. WHY people? “Because you can” and “it’s the beauty of open source” has spun out of control to the point of massive anarchy and seems to keep getting worse.
If you ever browse through Source Forge I think you will find 90% of the projects there are a solution looking for a problem. I don’t see a problem with massive anarchy, I think the problem is with the ideology and the expectations.
Ask yourself, why do people participate in OSS projects?
On my Solaris system, the default path is set in /etc/profile thus:
PATH=$PATH:/opt/sfw/bin ; export PATH
Season to taste. Paths must be set per user in your home directory .profile.