It might be the world’s most widely distributed e-mail client, but Microsoft has confirmed that it has no intention of further developing Outlook Express. Microsoft is moving its consumer-oriented email focus to MSN and Hotmail, while encouraging business users to use (and pay for) the full Outlook.
.. and only by Microsoft, could a plan be put forward to fight Open-Source and Free software by restricting functionality of products and discontinuing development of popular free products
That said, I welcome the increased virus safety on the web leading from the death of this appalling piece of software.
That said, I welcome the increased virus safety on the web leading from the death of this appalling piece of software.
I’d welcome it too, if I had a decent way to get all my mail exported out of it into a format that is compatible with other mainstream Windows mail clients.
How much difference will this really make? Sadly, it will obviously still get installed along with every copy of Windows XP shipped in the next 2-3 years (until Longhorn), and millions of people will carry on using it.
Now, if only MS could be force to include a copy of Mozilla with evrey Windows installation, then no-one would be coerced into using the dreaded lookOut Express. I’m happy that it’s dead, except that it’s not really dead 🙁
“Now, if only MS could be force to include a copy of Mozilla with evrey Windows installation, then no-one would be coerced into using the dreaded lookOut Express.”
Now, thats a great idea! Instead of Outlook/IE being the main focus of virusses, They’ll attack Mozilla & co! Let MS put the other great browsers/mail clients in Windows as well, such as Opera, Pegasos, Pocomail … !
Think before writing, okay?
Link?
http://asia.cnet.com/newstech/applications/0,39001094,39145881,00.h…
they can then offer free e-mail to all their users wether they have an ISP or not.
just dial the local number set up by MSN and access your e-mail with no problems.
I think it is a good thing and MS will get a lot of kudos for it.
Where is the source of this information? I’ve used Outlook Express for 5 years with no issues. You’re gonna have problems with any application. Don’t blame the software, blame the USER!
“Microsoft is moving its consumer-oriented email focus to MSN and Hotmail”
For anyone that has used a recent version of Outlook Express, you can use OE for Hotmail. So that doesn’t make sense. I use OE to check 1 POP account and my 2 Hotmail accounts simultaneously. Only reason I can see them doing away with that is to drive more revenue to their paid Hotmail services. I move all of my mail from Hotmail to my Outlook Express folders to get around the 2MB mailbox limit.
All about the Benjamins baby…..A..huh…..yeah.
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Don’t blame the software, blame the USER!
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You’re right, every piece of software is perfect, its always the users fault.
There are MANY known exploits in OE that viruses use. MS should have fixed these exploits, but they didn’t.
Just one less virus prone peice of sw to worry about. But may people will be upset. Perhaps they would like Mozilla Mail?
wow, I greatly aplaud to such decision. You may find me being ignorant, but who cares of all those needed OE updates to prevent virus attacks. The truth is – it is happening, no matter what general security suggestions are – most average joe users will be hit by viruses.
Well, in our company, we moved all our POP3 users to Mozilla mailer (some 10 – 12 users, otherwise we use Lotus Notes). Mozilla offers nice import of EO, including adress book.
It also provides ordinary text readable mailboxes, not proprietary binary ones as OE does …
-pekr-
It’s only at .1 and it’s a better POP mail client than OE. All it needs is an extension for connecting to web-mail services such as Hotmail, and we can all gladly kiss OE goodbye.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/
It is a good thing. Mozilla Mail and/or Thunderbird rules.
I think that I shall do the Happy computer guy dance!
I’d welcome it too, if I had a decent way to get all my mail exported out of it into a format that is compatible with other mainstream Windows mail clients.
It’s called IMAP. It’s a bidirectional protocol, you know…
Man this is bad news for the Anti-Virus Companies : )
-bogey
Someone once wrote jokingly : “I’m surprised to learn that the Mad Cow Disease virus isn’t transmitted by Outlook Express” 🙂
Virus Express will soon be gone, unfortunately people will still have to put up with Hotmail, aka Spam Express.
I’d expect that Longhorn will feature much more integrated mail (todo, appointments, etc) and since Microsoft is gearing up towards Longhorn there is no need for them to produce a free emailer which gives them nothing.
It’s business and makes perfect sense.
(and for those of you that don’t care, i.e. all of you, I’ve used Pine since 1995 and it has worked great all the time, even though I always upgrade as soon as I see a new version)
I run Mozilla on a rather underpowered Transmeta machine.
Both the browser and mail client are slow. The mail client
lacks a spell checker, although it’s easy enough to add
one (I did).
Of the two programs, the browser and the mail client, I
use the mail portion most. Why? It’s just nicely set up.
It does a good job handling accounts; it blocks remote
image downloads if you want to; it can be set to not use
plugins or Javascript. Most important, it blocks Spam in a
simple, intuitive way.
Mozilla comes with Bayesian filters. Accuracy at first is
quite poor. After a couple of weeks of marking mail as
“junk” or “not junk” (with a simple right click) the improvement in accuracy was enough to make it better than Spamkiller. The biggest advantage over Spamkiller is the uncanny ability to flag Nigerian scams.
Mozilla is plenty fast on Pentium III class machines
(roughly 800mHz and up), and for these machines it remains
the best browser out there. The mail client is good enough
in its layout and integrated Spam tools that owners of
slower machines will easily forgive its slowness.
Will: Mozilla will import all your old email from Outlook Express. I switched a few people over this year, and they are all happy with both the program and the conversion process.
I’ve just done a small survey on my own mail. Most users sending mail my way use Outlook Express, followed by Mozilla. If OE is really going to go away, they’ll be the number one mail tool.
But I’m afraid that what’s really going to happen is more and more people using web frontends with even less standard conformance and HTML formatting all over them. With MS pushing hotmail on eery unexpecting new Windows user (Messenger does it, IE does it, MS Password does it), they are probably going to make more money that way: Ads on Hotmail beat Development costs on OE.
Also: What about news? If they kill OE, MS is not going to have a single usenet client left in their portfolio.
It is really funny to watch Windows users defend their software of choice. It’s over Johnny, it’s over.
But I’m afraid that what’s really going to happen is more and more people using web frontends
Some may, but webmail is too slow and managing your mailbox is a pain and too time consuming. I think most would rather switch to a different mailer.
Also: What about news? If they kill OE, MS is not going to have a single usenet client left in their portfolio.
That is true. However, unless Usenet has changed in the last couple of years, it’s almost unusable anyway. 9 out of 10 posts on Usenet are adds for one gay porn site or another; spammed across all groups.
Dang, I guess it’s time to start using Thunderbird. I’ve already switched to use Firebird for my web browsing, but I actually like Outlook Express.
I’ve never had a virus problem with it, and I find its interface to be much better than “real” Outlook’s. I’m forced to use Outlook at work, but I’ll never install that hideous mess at home.
Going from BeatWare’s Mail-It to KMail to Outlook Express to Thunderbird in under two years. ARGH. Moving your mail archives around and re-doing all your filters is such a pain in the butt.
Maybe Thunderbird has a more usable USENET client than OE’s. Of course, trn is easy enough to compile with cygwin…
– chrish
Thunderbird is a nice e-mail client, but it is lacking as a newsreader. If you want a nice newsreader for Microsoft Windows, give Gravity a try. You can read more about it and download it at http://lightning.prohosting.com/~tbates/gravity/
I’ve been using it for years, and have yet to be disappointed. Oh, and it’s freeware.
This might be a bit of a red herring since most of OE functionality is included in MSN Explorer’s email client anyhow. From a strategic product standpoint it does not make much sense to have 3 seperate email clients (MSN Explorer, OE, Outlook) and Hotmail Web. If pop3 functionality is built into MSN Explorer there is really no difference other than GUI.
For what it’s worth though, I never had a problem with OE. It was fast and did everything I needed from it. It also crashed less than Nutscrape’s email client did (I don’t use/like Mozilla but that’s another issue).
What I would really like to see is an open source standalone, cross platform (*nix, win32) email client ala Kmail or something.
Well .. what do you know .. you get to pay for outlook, and MSN email even if the later will end up tying you to other things in the future. And all of these long after Eudora and the rest of them have been crushed. Thank you, MS.
Now to put it into perspective…
http://www.google.com/search?q=sendmail+exploit
http://www.google.com/search?q=outlook+express+exploit
Which one is in worse need of being put out of its misery?
(Yes, I realize one is an MTA and the other is an MUA, but this is just to point out the fact that open source isn’t immune from producing albotrosses)
Ximian Evolution would get my vote if it ran on Windows
[hint hint M.de Icaza…. ]
No, it is not lacking a news reader… I use it daily.
I switched to Eudora (in windows) several years ago and I’ve never looked back. Why would anyone want to use outlook in the first place?
Earth to Thom – sure, lookOut is attacked lots because it’s popular, but it’s also completely insecure, or certainly was in its earlier versions. Sorry, but Mozilla is massively more secure; you can look at the source code for yourself, and it’s designed NOT to execute any daft script that comes its way!
I use Mozilla, please attack my box and send me as many viruses as you want, because you won’t succeed 🙂
What I would really like to see is an open source standalone, cross platform (
*nix, win32) email client ala Kmail or something.
Looks like you would like Mozilla Thunderbird just fine then
Well yes. The end of this particular virus propagator is a very good thing, IMHO.
No email client (or any other program for that matter) is safe for crackers. I mean, every lock can be picked. Here in Amsterdam even the most exspensive bike locks are easily cracked.
The point is, a virus creator will be better off cracking Outlook, because more people use it. When Outlook is replaced by something else, and that ‘something else’ gains the same popularity as Outlook has now, it WILL be cracked.
Well, in MDK I use Evolution and Kmail, in Windows 2003 I use Pocomail and Outlook 2003 beta (I like the new layout, with the mail on the right and all).
Is Thunderbird actually road worthy now? Last I checked (not too long ago it seems), it wasn’t even in the alpha stage yet.
As for Outlook Express, I’ve been using it since 5.0 and I really like it. If you’re using OE 6.0 SP1, go to Tools|Options|Read tab and check Read mail as plain text, and poof … there goes your virus problem. Of course, you still have to watch out for attachments, but that holds true in any mail program.
“I’d welcome it too, if I had a decent way to get all my mail exported out of it into a format that is compatible with other mainstream Windows mail clients.”
Check this out! this little gadget can take *.dbx files
and turn them into either a bunch of *.eml or into
the popular, open .mbox format (KMail, evolution and
sylpheed support it).
http://people.freenet.de/ukrebs/dbxconv.html
Thom,
What makes Outlook and/or Outlook Express so vulnerable is the fact that it is completely integrated to Windows, have too much privileges and can run scripts and ActiveX programs(in its default setup, though). It is just another example of the “feature over security” mentality that Microsoft has. Everybody and their dogs knows that it is a bad thing and that ActiveX should be erradicated off the face of the earth!!! 😉
Another e-mail clients won´t do any harm to your system because of this kind of viruses/worms unless it uses Internet Explorer engine to render HTML. Therefore Mozilla ThunderBird surely cannot make the havoc that Microsoft clients can.
I do use and love Outlook Express in Windows because it does everything I need with a simple interface. However, it is very hard to make it work properly avoiding viruses. That´s why I love Kmail. Evolution is too much Outlook-like to my taste, with all that unnecessary PIM utilities that I personaly never use. Kmail is simple and slim and just works as it´s expected to.
DeadFish Man
I’m not concerned. ‘Glow’ is on the way. Hopefully this will only help Glow’s future acceptance.
What is Glow? It’s an open source groupware client related to openoffice.org. It is still in alpha at this point but certainly look promising.
Check it out here:
http://groupware.openoffice.org/glow/
I used the 2k3 beta too, and I liked that vertical message pane as well.
Luckily, the newest version of Mozilla Thunderbird has that feature built in. Its very nice, check it out.
http://mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird
I switched from Outlook Express (express? yeah,sure. ) to MDR a long time ago. Never been happier.
Why OE is also annoying:
– Can’t quote quoted-printable-encoded mails
– comb quoting: oe can’t quote, for example:
> long line long line long line long line long line
long line
> long line long line long line long line long line
long line
– it sees attachements were nothing is attached (the old usenet begin-loveletter-end joke)
– it wraps long URLs so they don’t work anymore
– sometimes oe forgets the encoding in non-7bit texts
– oe has problems with : in the subject (cuts the text before the colon)
– it kills usenet-signatures by deleting the needed blank after the “–”
It’s often REALLY annoying to exchange mails with oe-users… e.g. you have to deactivate quoted printable so that they can quote your text. But then oe generates comb quoting and you can’t quote their answer reasonably. Argh.
I hope OE dies really fast…
Its just SLOW as all hell. My only complaint.
Other than that its a very nice email client.
I want Hotmail support though! That would be nice.
By encouraging their customers to use a web based service such as Hotmail they remove the need for customers to worry about how to configure an email client (because as Windows users MS’s customers are all apparently very stupid).
It also allows them to access their email from any part of the world they are in! So they don’t need to be chained to their computer!
It also mean that,
1. You need to be connected to the internet to read email.
2. You need to be connected to the internet to send email.
3. You need to be connected to the internet to compose even a draft email.
4. You will need to regularly delete email because you’re running of space in your tiny account.
5. And like Yahoo you’ll no doubt have to pay to use the POP access.
Another reason not to use Windows or Microsoft.
“Luckily, the newest version of Mozilla Thunderbird has that feature built in. Its very nice, check it out.”
I’ll try to, when i have some spare time
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Well, I was so sick of those webmail services/microsoft email client I build my own e-mail server and bough a domain. I have no more spam and i can have 490845 gigs of email if i want. that is so nice.
now back to the topic, I tried Thunderbird not so long ago, and it’s great. As is Firebird. Those are 2 nice options, and free. I strongly suggest those 2.
“”490845 gigs””
You have ~490k gb of hardrive space?
Impressive, wonder how long it’d take to back that up.
Back on topic.
Most of the problem here is feature creep, and that’s not OE specific. Once upon a time email was just text and attachments, then it became HTML, then it became HTML with scripts and now it’s god alone knows what.
There wasn’t a damn thing wrong with email as plain text and attachments, but end-users weren’t satisfied with it as such, it wasn’t “pretty” enough. OE may be the shining example, but there are an awful lot of other email clients pandering to the “pretty” factor with feature creep as well.
Email exploits may change nature with the death of OE, but they aren’t going to end.
More features = more exploits, here endeth the lesson :>
Guess what exactly I mean by that
Simple as pie… tell OE to *NOT* check Email. Close and restart it to make sure it worked. If not, that’s ok… it won’t be checking mail anymore while you’re using it at least, which is what really counts.
Forward every Email in OE to “[email protected]/net”. OE won’t pick it up again, so no worries. Close OE and go into whatever, more portable format, Email client you choose. Pick up your Email in that client.
TA-DAH!
Yes, if all your Emails are saved to disk (I back mine up all the time), then you mgiht have a problem, but from within OE, you just send them to yourself and pick them up in another client. It’s a tad time consuming, but worth it if you’re trying to get away from all things Microsoft.
Personally, I’m using an old Mac with the latest iCab PPC browser. How schweet it is…
Is Eudora still available for Windows? Is it a decent email client?
Ok, many but I am quite happy running my mail through Opera’s email client. Runs very well and is simple to use. No problems with viri either.
Mr. Gates,
Let me be the first to applaude you for finally killing this turkey. And no, I won’t pay you for Outlook or extended Hotmail.
Levi
Unfortunately, OE is one of the few e-mail clients I know that allows you to set up to retrieve messages via POP, and then automatically delete them off the server after so many days. Like with my e-mail, I have it set to check my e-mail account every six minutes, download all e-mail, and then delete the e-mail off the server after 10 days. It works beautifully. This way I’m able to read the e-mail both via webmail, and via my e-mail client.
I’ve tried Eudora, which is clunky and bloated. I’ve tried The Bat!, which has no ability to view HTML e-mails with remote images. Yes, I know, it’s a security feature. However, about a quarter of the e-mail messages I receive are HTML with remote images, and like it or not, I’d like to be able to read them. OE and Eudora are the only two e-mail clients I know of that allow you view HTML e-mail with remote images, and set a specific time to delete e-mail from the server.
A friend of mine successfully exported all his OE for Windows mail to OS X’s Mail.app (on an iBook) using Emailchemy
http://www.weirdkid.com/products/emailchemy/
Considering that much of his email was in Japanese and he didn’t get one line of “mojibake” (scrambled characters in Japanese due to encoding issues), this is quite something.
Emailchemy can read and write most proprietary mailbox formats.
Since MS is intent on suspending all development for IE and OE, who knows what other products they will cease to develop. Once Windows XP is EOLed, or Linux surpasses the level of functionality (as far as directory structure, and availablity of supported retail programs, I will be moving my PC over to 100# Linux. Windows has been good to me, but I guess nothing good can last forever that is from this earth. If Linux becomes corrupted by corporate greed, I will just have to resort to running Fusion PC in FreeDOS 1.0 (when 1.0 is finally released). Congratulations to MS, In the future they will have lost my biusinuss forever.
Very easy. Eudora 5.x, either the paid or ad-driven versions, will import all your OE mailboxes, including local copies of Hotmail. Worked without a hitch for me sometime back. When I switched to Thunderbird last week, there was no problem importing all the Eudora mailboxes, including the OE hierarchy. I imagine this funtionality would be pretty crucial for a commercial email competitor to survive.
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Thunderbird is released for public testing (v0.1) and it works great. I installed 2 useful extensions and I’ve had no problems or obvious bugs. It’s just a little bloated and sluggish, but just slightly. No worse than OE. If one looks at the roadmap, the developers are working on cleaning out the unneeded Mozilla code to trim down the stand alone Thunderbird client. But why wait?
I wouldn’t be surprised if this was again move to get rid of open protocols (IMAP and POP3 in this case) and replace them with closed proprieratary ones. If there comes no IMAP/POP3 client with default Windows installation and the first thing asked after Internet connection configuration is whether user likes to have a new email account (Hotmail account in other words) how many of the average users start searching for alternative methods using email? Who knows if Hotmal is integrated to Longhorn and you don’t even need a web browser…
…is an email client which allows to centralize messages in a MySQL database, and offers synchronization tool for laptop like Outlook 2003. That will make me happy.
Personally I haven’t used outlook for years having found a suitable mail client in pegasus that is freeware (more or less) and far less problematic. Perhaps I am too simplistic in my needs but this has served my needs for several years.
What I would really like to see is an open source standalone, cross platform (*nix, win32) email client ala Kmail or something.
Looks like you would like Mozilla Thunderbird just fine then
I don’t want to debate the merits of each email client, but suffice it to say that I never warmed to any part of Mozilla or its derivative works. It’s a cool piece of technology but I find there is a stand alone tool which does each part better, and I prefer IE/OE in windows to any other free browser/email suite. Notice I said free, so Opera is out (I love opera but have never gotten around to paying for it being a student and all, so I don’t have/use it right now).
I guess what I forgot to specify in my wish list was “lightweight and fast”. Mozilla Thunderbird is not either of these.
I quit Windows when I couldn’t find a decent mail client. I’m coming back now that Thunderbird is out. Thunderbird is fast and has all the features even though it is only 0.1 (it’s the mozilla client but stand alone and with a new UI).
Eudora was my original pick. It is a great client execpt for one thing I couldn’t do (you probably can do it through filters and stuff): have a different password for your SMTP and POP on a given Identity.
And the interface is getting old for non power users.
BY THE WAY: Eudora can download mail and delete it of the server 3 days later. (I don’t think OE invented this but it is true that most clients can’t do it)
I have long tried to find a decent client for my family.
OE has the best interface but then every time a family member gets a virus everybody gets it.
Outlook, Pegasus, The Bat, Opera etc either have horrible interfaces or are not free enough.
Foxmail’s interface is cool but they are many bugs and no imap!!! I it was simple enough for my howdoesamousework? aunt but the bugs kept having her call me. (french accents wouldn’t work right)
They are a few others with their good sides but they are never feature full.
So for all you windows users all I can recomand is to ditch OE and switch to the all powerfull Thunderbird. It really is a one size fits all.
PS: For all you mozilla/netscape haters it is time to reconsider. The swiss army knife approche was an awefull choice but that concept is now dead. Give Firebird and Thunderbird a try and you will be converts. They are as fast or faster than their MS equivalents and have features that will keep you from ever going back.
…is an email client which allows to centralize messages in a MySQL database, and offers synchronization tool for laptop like Outlook 2003. That will make me happy.
I don´t know if it is able to exchange PIM info with palmtops and laptops, but Pronto! – http://www.muhri.net/pronto/ – is a highly modularized GTK Mail Client written in Perl that can store your e-mails in several databases supported by the DBI interface, including MySQL.
A friend of mine used to use this, but it couldn´t render HTML formatted e-mails at the time. I think it can now.
Cheers,
DeadFish Man
When opening a mail can trigger off a worm or a virus, I tend not to blame the user…
I’m coming back now that Thunderbird is out. Thunderbird is fast and has all the features even though it is only 0.1 (it’s the mozilla client but stand alone and with a new UI).
(…)
PS: For all you mozilla/netscape haters it is time to reconsider. The swiss army knife approche was an awefull choice but that concept is now dead. Give Firebird and Thunderbird a try and you will be converts. They are as fast or faster than their MS equivalents and have features that will keep you from ever going back.
I just downloaded and ran Firebird and Thunderbird at work. I am impressed with Firebird, very impressed in my short stink using it. It’s slick and fast. Everything Mozilla was not last time I had the misfortune of using it.
I am trying Thunderbird as well but I am not as impressed. It seems a little “laggy” in GUI response (resizing the message preview pane for instance, something OE and Outlook full do without lag).
Thunderbird is slow & bloated for now. They have taken the email portion of the Mozilla suite and made it standalone. This results in a lot of redundant code in the early stages.
Future versions will have the bloat removed. I suggest waiting until future point releases come out & see how the situation improves with each one.
Right now I think Eudora is the best client (I especially appreciate the function that lets you create a filter, just by right-clicking a message), but it has some serious issues when it comes to sorting the messages.
Thunderbird is slow & bloated for now. They have taken the email portion of the Mozilla suite and made it standalone. This results in a lot of redundant code in the early stages.
Future versions will have the bloat removed. I suggest waiting until future point releases come out & see how the situation improves with each one.
If firebird runs as well under Linux as Windows then I am a convert ‘fo shizzle’. I am really impressed with the browser. The only beef/feature I am bothered with is the lack of tabbed browser windows (i.e. instead of having 10 task buttons for my open FB sessions I would rather have those show up as tabs in 1 FB main window.
As for TB, I will check back from time to time. For now I will use it in place of OE to get my non-work email at work. To be honest I can deal with a little lagginess. Part of the deal when you are using v0.1 of software.
Grrrr… Outlook keeps crashing when I attempt to check the availability of resources as I atttempt to book a room for a meeting. Annoying.
I prefer the Express to Outlook 2000 why did they decide such thing ? Many users I know only just will keep on using their current version of outlook and no hotmail account.
If firebird runs as well under Linux as Windows
Runs better on Windows, in my opinion.
Yes I know the feeling for the lack of ‘perfect’ mail clients. Deja vu: MS removed support back in 1997(?) for a fairly popular client – Microsoft Mail for Macintosh v3.
I have archvies from this time, and the storage format is not quite mbox, but at least it’s text, but hundreds of messages per file. There is no conversion procedure, or even method to any other format. So I tried all the available Win clients recently to recover the mails. Bat!, Eudora, Calypso, Moz, etc. None could read the old format, and the conversion process takes 10 steps and 3 programs (faq to be on usenet soon)
None of the 9 ish programs I tried did as much for me as OE. I (reluctantly) like OE! 13 pop, 1 imap, 2 hotmail + 4 newserver accounts go through there. Primitive searching though, can’t edit messages after receipt. Program dbxtract and mbxtract can get emails out. DBX files therefore are not perfect but usable. There are many good things about OE, all hopefully can be listed off to appear in the new opensource ones.
I also like Outlook and use it for all personal (home+work) email accounts since 97-98. Great searching, calendar & contacts overkill, hundreds of good small features, single file storage (pst). PST used to be great as Win 95-98-Me used to have MS Exchange client on the install disk, which would read PST files from anywhere. Now of course, only payware Outlook can read it…
So I hold hope for Thunderbird/Glow/Ximian and will investigate soon to see if they can be the master of all including hand pc sync. The ultimate feature of genius would be for the storage format to have a plug in – a webmail server! Imagine leaving your machine on, logging on to a webmail app on the machine from anywhere, and viewing all the folders & messages going back years and years. Your own hotmail, but of course with an IMAP/POP server!
I can hope….
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The only beef/feature I am bothered with is the lack of tabbed browser windows (i.e. instead of having 10 task buttons for my open FB sessions I would rather have those show up as tabs in 1 FB main window.
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Firebird has Tabbed Browsing, in fact, its a little better than Mozillas.
“Firebird has Tabbed Browsing, in fact, its a little better than Mozillas.”
Mozilla is a little unstable with 15+ tabs open and 4/5 tabs reloading. I get talk backs dialogs and crash some times.
Firebird has Tabbed Browsing, in fact, its a little better than Mozillas.
Found it, now my victory is complete.
Does anyone know of an email client that can share the same mailbox between Linux and Windows 2000? (I dual boot between the two a lot)
Spell checker, POP3 (pine doesn’t work because it needs a separate SMTP engine) MIME attachments
Hopefully one that can completely disable HTML mail? I would like to be UNABLE to render HTML mail. Period.
Preferably one that treats the body of a received email like just so much text. No HTML, JAVA, JavaScript, VBA, perl, nothing. I’m not saying the client can’t be scriptable, just that (saving separating out attachments) it can never run any code embedded in an email.
Free (in both senses of the word), is always preferable…
Does such a beast exist?
Thanks in advance,
[email protected]
an email client that can share the same mailbox between
try cygwin
http://www.cygwin.com
Found it, now my victory is complete.
Just write Ctr+T and a new tab will open
Now if they could just kill Outlook/exchange! Exchange is most obnoxious, proprietary POS mail server that ever hit the market. It sucks worse than Lotus domino!
outlook express is a horrible, bug ridden POS program. the sooner this thing dies, the better.