On August 19th 2004, the KDE Project released KDE 3.3. For packages, please visit the KDE 3.3 Info Page and browse the KDE 3.3 Requirements list.
KDE 3.3 released
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Congratulations to the KDE team for their achievement!
kde-i18n-3.3.0 176MB f1927048807146969f6497b5d789fb5d
is it possible to totally avoid this package under gentoo emerge kde ?
No fedora core 2 rpm ????
Ignacio
-Konqueror features better support for Instant Messenging contacts, with the capability to send files to IM contacts, and support for IM protocols (e.g. irc://)
-KMail can display the online presence of IM contacts
-Kopete can display a “now listening to” message from amaroK
-Juk has support for burning audio CDs with K3B
Simply put, WOW! KDE folks if you focus on usability with KDE 4, you’ll eradicate Gnome.
I’m running KDE 3.3 and when I went to the SuSE site their KDE download page says “KDE 3.2 packages are now available.”
http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/linuks/index.html
And when I go to the actual page to download the packages most of them have been built several days ago. Are these the real KDE 3.3 or just experimental?
KDE 4 won’t erradicate Gnome, because Gnome is very stronger, and soon Gnome 3 will be release (maybe)
😉
This version KDE 3.3 is full of good-new things! I can’t wait to compile/install it.
A lot of those features will be in Gnome 2.8 too, IIRC
And why would you want KDE to eradicate Gnome. How about we keep both and everyone stays happy. I doubt the goal of either is world domination
I realy support the things that they are doing, but if only they could stop makeing such a bloat eye-cany-wise.
I mean, I realy like the functionality of KDE 3.2 and I’m sure I’ll like 3.3 the same, I just can’t stand the looks of these things! Why is KDE 3.1 look so bad? 3.2 is, despite to all themes and diferent styles, too bloated. I’m refering to things that only take-up such valuable screen space. If you ever used Fluxbox you know what I mean. It has everything unnecesary stripped down and still has the basic and advanced functionality of an WM. The only problem I find with fluxbox is, that it’s not integrated with other applications from KDE and/or Gnome.
Come to think about it, I would realy like to see fluxbox-like window-managing on top on KDE desktop-managing integration.
I can only hope thar KDE dev group will stop working on eye-candy functions, continue to work on functionality and integration and start working on speed optimisation. I’m sure that a lot of people would rather use KDE over Gnome, but th leow responce speed just isn’t an option.
my 2c, anyway
And why would you want KDE to eradicate Gnome. How about we keep both and everyone stays happy. I doubt the goal of either is world domination
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both are free to try and compete for that. its not a problem.
Well…
“-KMail can display the online presence of IM contacts “
Not until Evo 2.0
“-Kopete can display a “now listening to” message from amaroK”
I know drivel (live-journal) can do this but not Gaim.
“-Juk has support for burning audio CDs with K3B “
We don’t even had a decent Gnome CD burner app
Kudos to the KDE team for this great release.
It should be noted that Gentoo now has ~ARCH marked ebuilds in portage. Happy compiling!
is it possible to totally avoid this package under gentoo emerge kde ?
Don’t worry, kde-i18n is not emerged when you emerge the KDE meta-package (e.g. emerge kde). You have to emerge it manually.
You even can merge a specific language only, if you want (although I have forgotten the params for emerge)
You don’t have the choice to merge a specific language or the package won’t emerge. The syntax is:
LINGUAS=”<insert language code like fr, es, it>” emerge kde-i18n
And I’m not even a KDE user!
I’ve been using Beta and then RC versions of KDE for a few weeks… the final is much more polished.
My only question: should I take my own versions of quanta and kolourpaint out of my install tree, since they’re now in the release… portage hasn’t been pulling them out itself.
My god, why is every KDE or Gnome thread always going down this same path? Don’t people ever get tired of these petty flamewars?
This may be the only downside to the steadily increasing adoption of Linux on the desktop … there’s always new people who aren’t tired of fighting yet.
This is a KDE thread. This is not about Gnome. Whether you like or dislike Gnome, don’t bring Gnome up. Just don’t do it!
I love Free Software. It just gets better, and better, and better, doesn’t it?
I want to thank the KDE developers for all their hard work as well as the translators and everyone who has filed a bug to make this the best release yet.
Thanks.
Anyone know where I can find a list of changes from 3.3 RC2 to 3.3 stable?
Actually I think the road to extreme responsiveness (hehe) could actually go through the eye-candy division – meaning that if KDE 4s KWin sports decent 3D capabilities and allows for Quartz like rendering of every window (just the way they are now, no unnecessary 3D-reinvention of the desktop) for example via cairo/glitz there could be a super responsive Desktop on any modern (i.e. 3D capable) system…
I’d like to see that but there don’t seem to be any efforts into this direction.
This would of course allow for other nice effects and stuff that will make some people scream “STOP the eye candy” but if you think about it that all this could be there just before Longhorn Linux would become all the more attractive for those jealously looking at OS X.
Not _the issue_ for KDE4 but maybe on the nice-to have list.
What you might want to do, is open konqueror settings, go to the performance tab and set “minimize memory usage” to “always”. Also set “Maximum numbers of instances kept preloaded” to “1”. These two together will make konqueror always use the running process instead of starting a new one each time you use konqueror. Starting instances of konq will be about as fast as opening new windows with ctrl+n (unless konq is swapped out). (This feature is bugged in older versions than 3.2.3 giving the opposite effect) In addition you need to prelink all of kde (note if you use the nvidia-drivers make sure you have qt >=3.3.0 compiled with “-dlopen-opengl” or prelinking will fail miserably). Now you need to set a global environment variable (debian:/etc/environment, gentoo:/etc/env.d/99kde) “KDE_IS_PRELINKED” to “1” or kde won’t take advantage of the prelinking and will use kdeinit to load applications.
List of kde env variables: http://kde.ground.cz/tiki-index.php?page=Environment+Variables
If you do this correctly it MAY do a lot for performance, at least it did for me.
I’d like to see that but there don’t seem to be any efforts into this direction.
Sure there are, the upcoming version of the Xorg server (version 6.8) from Freedesktop.org (the one that was forked from XFree86 a few months ago) will sport the XComposite, XDamage and XFixes extensions, allowing for off-screen window rendering (=hardware accelerated). As you have probably already seen in the beautiful screenshots from Keith Packards computer floating round the ‘net around the time of the fd.o xserver hype (!= Xorg server), this means shadowed windows, transparent windows and really fast vector graphics rendering, using libraries like Cairo and Glitz.
The future is indeed brigt.
– Simon
Uros:
Check out ksmoothdock (mimics OSX dock). I have that as my “taskbar” and I have kicker vertical along the left side of my screen and turned on auto-hide to immediate. Very clean and lean desktop.
Chris:
3D accelerated desktops won’t give us uber responsiveness. Look at BeOS, what made it so great was good multi-threading code not an OpenGL desktop. Now look at MacOSX, 3D hardware accelerated desktop couldn’t save it from the lag seen when drag resizing windows, nor jerky scrolling in Finder with tons of icons, and especially scrolling in a web browser when viewing a graphicly “intense” website.
KDE’s Eye-candy can be cleaned up to your liking. I use Fluxbox on my laptop, but on my desktop I use KDE. My KDE desktop actually looks very similar to my flux desktop, except for 2 things – One, I have a quick shortcut bar at the top of my screen, and a taskbar+pager at the bottom. Both can be hidden. I also run my favorite dockapps.
You can see a screenshot of my desktop here: http://www.the-engine.org/kdedesktop1.jpg
Hmmmmm I like it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v64/super_science_monkey/slackwar…
KDE’s Eye-candy can be cleaned up to your liking.
I think that’s one of the problems with KDE. IMO, the defaults settings just suck and Keramik is horrendous. It’s very nice to have the opportunity to customise everything you want but some people like me just don’t want to. I will give another try to KDE but I am pretty sure I will go back to my previous DE because I don’t want to waste 3 or 4 hours to get KDE _exactly_ like I want, especially when I love to format and try other distros.
I will still try KDE 3.3 because there are many new nice features that I want to try and that GNOME doesn’t have but I hope they will finally get good default settings in KDE 4 while updating their HIG to unpromote clutterness.
Now I hope Gnome people step up to the chanllenge and come up with better stuff. Then I want to see KDE to out do Gnome, and on and on and on. Competition i beautiful. I hope the make their desktops faster and more responsive and not to concentrate their desktops on eye candy slow stuff. One thing is to make it look good, and another is to make it so fancy and nice looking that is just slow (like WinXP.)
We don’t even had a decent Gnome CD burner app
Ever heard of nautilus-cd-burner and eroaster? I don’t see anything k3b does, that they can’t.
It’s a mixture of the two, actually. A fast, multi-threaded UI still won’t appear fast without certain smarts. For example, without full double-buffering, resizes and moves will always appear flickerly and slow, even though non-double-buffered resizing and moving is actually marginally slower. So in that respect, Qt4 and new releases of X.org will help in two ways:
1) Full use of double-buffering;
2) Faster rendering via OpenGL.
Now, a fast, double-buffered UI can still seem slow if the UI has to wait for I/O. The problem is much less severe in KDE (because I/O is usually done asynchronously through KIO), but could still use improvement. Qt4 will feature improvements in multithreading:
“Qt 4 takes threading support to another level, with per-thread event loops, signals–slots connections across threads, and thread-safe implicit data sharing.” (http://doc.trolltech.com/qq/qq09-qt4.html)
Now is it for sure that the next KDE development cycle be based on QT 4 thus toward KDE 4.0 ? Or is there going to be KDE 3.4 before that?
Eh, to each his own. It took me about 45 minutes to get KDE looking EXACTLY like I wanted, but that’s because I’m nitpicky.
I love fluxbox for specialized hardware – for instance, my laptop is a portable note taker as well as my security auditing toolbox. It’s an older laptop, 300mhz thinkpad with 192 megs of ram (Thinkpads are great). KDE would die on it.
My desktop has 256 megs of RAM, but it does fine and dandy with KDE. In the screenshot I posted it was using 98% of my ram, but that’s with Moz open (14 tabs), Thunderbird, an mp3 player, etc..
I’m excited about the new KDE, but I’m not stepping up just yet. I like to wait a few weeks before I get new releases (Imagine if I was running Windows XP and got SP2… Nmap being broken would be enough to kill me!
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Older versions of KDE bugged the crap outta me – However, I’m running 3.2.3 and have found it to be a very stable functional desktop manager. I have only encountered one minor bug so far (the KDE menu sometimes doesn’t display arrows for menus when it should).
Overall I do agree that KDE has enough flash – now it really needs to be organized and sped up
I’d love to see the KDE load time increase. With Slack 10 and the 2.6.7 kernel + tweaks it takes 1 minute 5 seconds to log in and load KDE (non graphical login). Hotplug.rc takes up most of that time though 
Correction: that should read “even though double-buffered resizing is actually marginally slower.”
Someone please build me a low-memory USER FRIENDLY, FLEXIBLE desktop oriented OS that will run well on 64 megs of RAM. And a suite of GOOD low memory internet applications. Help put some of these obsolete computers to good use.
It just might happen, since their next direction is largely reported to be making things smaller (memory footprint) and faster 🙂
Then there’s stuff like Kparts, which make for reusability of components instead of having similar functionality take up more memory.
Of course, it’s not definite that KDE will ever run well on 64 MB / RAM, but hey, it’s not a bad outlook.
You can do it. Just need a little patience and some inventiveness.
Debian unstable with KDE 3.3 only uses 49 MB RAM on this box:
****@***:~$ free -m
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 219 167 52 0 5 112
-/+ buffers/cache: 49 170
Swap: 274 0 274
Thank you for the explanation. Don’t misunderstand that I don’t appreciate the merits of hw accelerated GUI rendering, I do appreciate it. I just don’t see it as the be all, end all, solution to a faster desktop.
I agree, it is doable using certain WM’s but the bigger problem is the amount of RAM used by applications. Why should a web browser use so much RAM? Slimming it down to 4-5 megs per app would be ideal. Also, one can quote numbers about how little memory a certain configuration uses but I find in the real world, using a certain set of real applications in real usage patterns, memory usage creeps up way higher and for one reason or another, 64 megs of RAM is suddenly far inadequate.
KDE 3.3 – quality software
– good to see both KDE & GNOME improving fast – would have liked 3.3 to appear in Mandrake’s latest though – aargh…still looking forward to 10.1 – all good 
Use opera as a Web suite.
With 64MB I don’t know what window manager you should use. Perhaps IceWM, or BlackBox. But hey, they’re not DE’s like kde or gnome!
while everyone is excited about 4.0 the truth is that it will probably suck balls. First of all Qt$ is apparently a massive rehaul since Qt3 had some problems and some embedded ppl are still using Qt2 so too minimize support Trolltech will want to merge both groups with Qt4. I’m guessing this will result in massive changes and therefore massive changes too in KDE code. Second, KDE has *THEIR OWN* massive changes planned for KDE 4.0. This will cause more problems. They are relishing the opportunity to break binary compatibility so I’m guessin’ many people have many large projects in their head and second-system will bite off more than they can chew. But they have to release things sometime so 4.0 is baked notquite baked or polished around the edges. 4.1 will clean up the mistakes but will still feel a little stiff. 4.2 will finally get the 4.x series to where they wanted it and will be a pleasure to use.
I’m not writing this to troll, I love KDE, but I know 4.0 will be a disappointment and I don’t want people to lose faith in KDE. It’s part of the process. So forget 4.0, I’m waiting for 4.2!
There are many tips & tricks how to make KDE more responsive. But that’s not all. It’s about GUI clutter, too. You see, KDE’s way to display icons and other parts in a window (let’s say konqueror) is not effective, because it takes so much extra space around icons, for example. And alternative GUI themes do not help a lot.
You see, I own a iBook so I do know what does “clean and effective” desktop look like. And I’m not saying that KDE has to “copy” or “immitate” OSX in any way. It’s just that OSX has a lot of great features that are very useful when using computer. Quartz (OGL window rendering) mentioned before is just one thing. For exsample, Fast User Switching is something very useful in OSX but not very good implemented in KDE. (I didn’t know till today that there is a “kind-of-working” user switching in kde -> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25304 )
Well, I’ve lost my track now… Anyway, I just hope that the versions to come will be somewhat more screen-space frendly (not using unnecesary eye-candy on GUI) and speed optimised. Untill then… KDE 3.3 will just have to do
OT: someone mentioned KDE Environment Variables and I was wondering: what does KDEWM variable do? Is this the same as picking an “session” in KDM/GDM or is this something else? (http://kde.ground.cz/tiki-index.php?page=Environment+Variables)
Hi,
Each time I login into KDE, I have to re adjust my sound settings, as it is always muted.
Any ideas on how to fix this.
It seems to be a kde problem, as when I use fluxbox, the sound settings are fine.
Please help me
Remove kmix (in SuSE it’s kdemultimedia3-mixer). Then run alsamixer and kamix.
Start kmix -> Settings -> Configure kmix -> Restore volumes on login
Actually, KDE 2.0 *was* the second system. It was a complete rewrite compared to KDE 1.0, and they aimed pretty high with it. KDE 3.0 was a gradual evolution of 2.0, and KDE 4.0 will build on the 2.0/3.0 base — not totally rewrite it.
Maybe KDE will pull a Winamp and make the next version 5?
If I had a 286 should I ask and beg and say linux is bad or bloated if can’t run in non-protected mode?
I do understand the importance of application speed and memory performance, I know memory should not be used as a infinte resource and I know that the best thing would be if I don’t have to change my hardware ever again and all new applications are fully optimized to run on my current hardware… but if world evolve that way we probably would be having the n-th version of Mario for NES (so I don’t have to change my n – 1 previous versions), with your VHS (because buying you movie collections again on DVD would be a waste) and you operating system would be Windows 3.999 Super-Enhaced version.
I think that some enhancements will require more resources (hardware accelerated GUI’s on a plain EGA card would be … impossible?), and sometimes it is necessary just to move on. how much work requires to make your system usable for the old user base but also provide new features to the new user base will be the key factor to chose that backward support …
If all you are running is a text editor, requiring 128 MB of RAM may seem overkill, but KDE is the base for so many other kind of applications where its functionality requires more memory or processor … and well, sometimes there are leaks and inefficiencies that also calls for more resources (no one is perfect).
So please, understand that the project will not be able forever to run on a 386DX (not sure if it can) or with 64MB RAM… eventually it will require more …
the obvious thing as users we can ask is that the increased amount of resources is visible as a benefit somehow … or if you are more of the pro-active type, well, the old known phrase: “do it yourself!!”
Cheers
KDE looks a lot better than GNOME. I think that KDE is the best GUI environment for UNIX (besides Aqua). However, it is not the best for developers since they cannot create commercial, closed source applications for KDE without paying TrollTech. I wonder how tyrannical Microsoft would be if they would ask you to pay them for using Window Forms, Win32 API, or any other API they have (APIs that do not require a Visual Studio licence). Not everyone wants to create GPL applications, nor do they want to pay the TrollTech tax. This is a problem that needs to be solved. Using GTK is not a nice solution. Not only that the KDE libs are loaded, but the Gnome ones too. Thus, it is using too much memory. I hope that SUSE comes up with a good desktop. They were talking about taking the best stuff from KDE and the best stuff from GNOME and creating their own desktop.
Anyone having problems with KDE startup, and KDE applications startup, try runnning “fc-cache” as root. It creates a chache oof your fonts so that KDE dosent have to look them up all the time. Makes a big difference, even to simple things like clicking on the K menu.
Not everyone wants to create GPL applications, nor do they want to pay the TrollTech tax
Don’t use QT then. You don’t have to. BTW, writing this same nonsense on Slashdot was not enough for you?
*Sigh*
How come you WON’T pay Trolltech for delivering a wonderful framework IF you’re going to make money off of it? If I make money selling a product I usually would be paying for it myself and adding some value, either through storing it, enhancing it, by using it to build a more complex product or as a tool. Bottom line is, I’d be PAYING for it in some way, and so are everyone else.
Open Source/Free As In Free Beer does not mean Free. Free is something that comes at NO cost for NO ONE, and such a thing does simply not exist unless we’re talking about the heat emitted from the sun or the earth core (think up more examples like these, please, and I promise none will have to do with software).
Wanting to make money off of other people’s work WITHOUT in turn paying THEM is a sorry state of mind, in my humble opinion. I am not saying that you should paying Microsoft to develop for Windows, but you SHOULD pay Microsoft if you wish to do it in the Visual Studio environment, since that’s what they live off. Otherwise go use MingC or the like (it’s “free”).
I think Trolltech giving away QT for the benefit of all of the world of X11 is commendable enough in itself to merit a buck or two (or even 1595) in return if one wishes to make one’s living using their software.
Just my two cents…
Dear Uros,
I realy support the things that they are doing, but if only they could stop makeing such a bloat eye-cany-wise.
After this I kept reading to find out WHAT things you were talking about, but alas you gave NO examples and NO suggestions. Nothing. This seems to be the same drivel that keeps being blindly used against KDE.
“it’s bloated!”
“well.. with that? it’s snappier than gnome and takes up less space.. what’s bloated? where’s this ‘unneeded eye candy’ specifically?”
“….. it’s bloated!”
I mean, I realy like the functionality of KDE 3.2 and I’m sure I’ll like 3.3 the same, I just can’t stand the looks of these things! Why is KDE 3.1 look so bad?
Like.. what?
3.2 is, despite to all themes and diferent styles, too bloated.
What the HELL does themes have to do with bloat in that context? “Despite” having themes it’s too “bloated”? WTF?
I’m refering to things that only take-up such valuable screen space.
SUCH AS???
If you ever used Fluxbox you know what I mean. It has everything unnecesary stripped down and still has the basic and advanced functionality of an WM.
Fluxbox is a WINDOW MANAGER. KDE Is a DESKTOP ENVIRONMENT. If you don’t understand all the different multitude of things KDE does that a simple WM does not, then I suggest you do some reading. You CANNOT simply compare a WM and a DE.
I can only hope thar KDE dev group will stop working on eye-candy functions,
…LIKE?????
continue to work on functionality and integration and start working on speed optimisation. I’m sure that a lot of people would rather use KDE over Gnome, but th leow responce speed just isn’t an option.
What the hell are you talking about? Have you even USED KDE? KDE 3.2.x+ are snappier than 3.1.x ever was and IT’S FASTER THAN GNOME. NO it’s still not faster than … uh… like BLACKBOX because again, that’s a WINDOW MANAGER…
bleh.
But the question remains, where the heck are the Fedora Core 2 RPMS?! I NEED IT NOW. Or at least a way of installing it.
What, your distro isn’t good enough for compiling it yourself?
Heh, I had to say it, sorry. I know, packages are a lot easier to manage.
Humph. Looks like I don’t have your problem – I see Slack packages
“KDE looks a lot better than GNOME. I think that KDE is the best GUI environment for UNIX (besides Aqua).”
That’s certainly your opinion. Even KDE developers are aware of Gnome usability efforts. In fact for my taste the usability and the nice UI is the _one_ thing that keeps me using gnome currently….
CaptainPinko,
Re: “I’m running KDE 3.3 and when I went to the SuSE site their KDE download page says “KDE 3.2 packages are now available. When I go to the actual page to download the packages most of them have been built several days ago. Are these the real KDE 3.3 or just experimental?”
The current version on the YaST Source mirrors is still KDE 3.3 RC2. It usely takes SuSE Linux AG a day or two to get the final release packages online as I presume they test them to ensure stability. Make sure to refresh your YaST Source directory FTP or HTTP mirror before doing the update. This will ensure you get all the packages. Also the reference to the KDE YaST Source being 3.2 should change once all the correct packages are added to the mirror. Hopefully this clears things up. Sorry it took so long for someone to reply to your question.
What, your distro isn’t good enough for compiling it yourself?
thanks, really appreciate your constructive commentary
Ignacio
“Wether screenshots?”
Where are the screenshots? I would like to see how KDE 3.3 looks. Anyone, please?
Yeah, I am currently compiling KDE 3.3 but I am still looking for some screenshots, especially since my compilation won’t be finished before midnight.
You can use Konstruct to automatically download, compile, and install from source. Or, if you really want RPMs, switch distros to one that has ’em already, or wait.
Has anyone else tried to use the Slackware Packages yet? Following the directions in the README breaks everything (KDE related) for me. In particular, it instructs you to use pkgtool to uninstall the existing KDE (plus arts, quanta and QT), but it doesn’t provide a newer version of QT. Is it assumed that you need to download this somewhere else?
I’d appreciate it if someone could shed some light here.
Thanks!
I’ll quit the Mandrakeclub if they don’t provide it in the official 10.1. Even Suse has packages for older releases…
What is it with these people crying about their little problems?
If you want it then go ahead and write it but threatening to leave mandrake club or wanting to destroy Gnome or even crying the pre compiled binaries aren`t ready yet is more then wrong it`s plain retarded!
Get a grip people go outside and realise your not the only ones who exist sheesh.
KDE looks a lot better than GNOME. I think that KDE is the best GUI environment for UNIX (besides Aqua). However, it is not the best for developers since they cannot create commercial, closed source applications for KDE without paying TrollTech.
The problem with the TrollTech tax is highly overrated. If you do professioal software development your costs for developer saleries will by far outgrow the cost the cost of the Trolltech licence. As Qt usually speeds up development, due to good design and documentation, you will end up paying less if you use QT/KDE than if you use e.g. GTK/Gnome. A faster development process also gives you a faster time to market. Speaking of market, marketing costs is probably be far bigger than the development costs for most software, so the Trolltech tax is a no issue to most software developers, at least the ones that have left the semiprofessional basement stage.
Sorry guys, my server is down right now otherwise I’d post some screenshots.. Maybe it’ll come back up later on.
I posted these in a previous story already.. The last one is new
http://leo.spalteholz.ca/t1.png
http://leo.spalteholz.ca/t2.png
http://leo.spalteholz.ca/t3.png
http://leo.spalteholz.ca/t4.png
Nothing special but I like it.. The new ALT-TAB thing is neat (t4.png).
KDE 3.3 is simply amazing! It’s quite fast and funcional and kmail with the anti-spam wizard is wonderful! The instalation was normal, with no problems (I was expecting a problem with kdevelop , a “relocation error”, even so only kdevelop 3.04 work into my machine …)
Thank you all to kde developers from brazilian’s linuxers !!!!
I am using them and they work fine. The best thing to do is to use “upgradepkg *tgz” instead of deleting your KDE packages first. There will be a complaint about kdewebdev not being able to upgrade, just uninstall quanta and then “installpkg kdewebdev”.
Cool. Thanks. I’ll give that a try. I already followed the directions in the README to delete the existing packages, but it should only take a minute to install them from the cd again and then use upgradepkg.
Do you know if a newer QT is in the new KDE packages, or does it use the QT that is installed with 3.2?
many thanks.
“You see, KDE’s way to display icons and other parts in a window (let’s say konqueror) is not effective, because it takes so much extra space around icons, for example.”
This may come as a shock to you but… You can remove unwanted icons from the toolbar. It takes about 10 seconds.
” (I didn’t know till today that there is a “kind-of-working” user switching in kde -> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25304 )”
I have several users routinely using several KDE-desktops on my machine, and it just works. It might not have the spiffy 3D-animation OS X does, but for me “it just works”.
hey reddazz, it worked like a charm. thanks!
So, they still didn’t fix that ugly white statusbar with the ugly green ‘light’ image (most probably created by someone without any artistical skills) in Konqueror?
That’s also one thing that sets me off for the rest of the KDE desktop; it’s looks are set and defined by programmers, not by artists or other people who know how to make things look good.
(those tooltips in Konqueror are horrible, for example)
And I’m not talking about pretty icons or themes here.
Well, if you have good artistic skills, I am sure they would welcome you to contribute… you can join the process if you want to.
There will always be people complaining about KDE, that’s the Politically Correct thing to do nowadays. It’s always going to be too bloated compared to minimalistic window managers, too many icons, too much functionality, too slow, too cluttered, now matter what the developers ever would do. These guys and girls have made up their mind and probably prefer something else, and just have to find something wrong with KDE and complain loudly about it. “Yeah, I’d use KDE but there’s a spelling error in a tooltip for KObscureApp, so I just can’t use it!!11!”
I like the new sounds, they are much better than previous KDE versions.
They are available in the contributions of the club (since they are contributions, they are available for everyone).
Example :
ftp://mirror.cs.wisc.edu/pub/mirrors/linux/Mandrakelinux/devel/tes…
For the moment it is still the beta, but the 3.3 final should follow soon.
Hi,
Kde 3.3 has been running really, apart for one thing….
None of the screensavers work.
Any ideas on a fix. I used Yast to update my kde 3.2.3 to kde 3.3.
Any help would be great
Regards
Robert
i couldn’t be more happier with this release, the KDE team
i couldn’t be more happier with this release, my congratulations to KDE team, my CL10 wont’t be the same
Quite alright!
I’m really looking forward to use KDE 3.3, but since my religion forbids compiling and I really don’t fell in the mood to download the binaries I’ll just wait for the new SuSE or hope that next Mandrake includes it.
I hope that Kopete now can transfer files trough MSN and I’m also curious about KDE/Qt Python bindings, seems great!
I also hope KHTML renders more pages correctly.
“Slimming it down to 4-5 megs per app would be ideal.”
Try looking at the apps for the Zaurus. Typically, it has very little memory compaired to a desktop. Because of that, what people use on the Zaurus should work well on a desktop system with 64MB of ram.
You can strip out a meg here and there from the desktop or the OS also, if you know how to.
Hmmm…idea for a new project? Could be….
Thanks for the info. Let’s hope the final version doesn’t break too many things on a community 10.0.2.
Still plenty of time for Mandrake to add this to 10.1.
Sarge + Konstruct = KDE 3.3
MDK 10.1 is already on Beta 1… You don’t add a new feature on Beta stage. MDK will stick to 3.2.3 plus all patches they have applied, making it somewhat 3.3 alike ..
the problem is that 3.3 is new, and it will have bugs, in special security flaws or unstable things … If you think not, why is it there is a 3.2.3 version of KDE? 3.2.3 shou,d be more stable and secure than 3.2, with few to none no new features, because it is supossed to be stability releases. So 3.2.3 from a commercial standpoint, 3.3 is too new and unproven just to push it in the last minute.
For distros like Gentoo, where they are (AFAIK) non- commercial distros, it is ok, but for MDK, where they are going to sell his product, risk is simply too high versus the bonus of new features.
Probably you’ll be able to d/l 3.3 packages from Cooker soon, once they finish 10.1 cycle.
Hi,
Kde 3.3 has been running really, apart for one thing….
None of the screensavers work.
Any ideas on a fix. I used Yast to update my kde 3.2.3 to kde 3.3.
Any help would be great
Regards
Robert
Yeah, first of all use Gnome instead. And use good ‘ol xscreensaver. It’s better than that crap that comes with KDE.
Troll.
My screen savers all work fine. However, many of them are OpenGL. Maybe you need some work with your drivers, Rob.
Yes, MSN file transfers now work. You occasionally might need to retry here or there because the odd one won’t work immediately. KHTML has improved rendering, most noticable to me is Ars Technica working again.
The screensavers that come with KDE are working fine for me. I compiled from scratch (thank you, Gentoo).
@leo: Thanks for the screenshots, they look way cool!
Hmm, judging by the images the widgets in 3.3 have a cleaner appearance than in 3.2 and previous versions, good (some theme magic in there?). They are cleaner and simpler in control panel, even in Konqueror (bye to the oversized shadow around the adress field).
Also, the icons in konq (Up, Back, Forward, Reload, Stop) look better and less cluttered than they usually do: redesigned for good, and with more spacing in between. And the panel desktop looks cleaner, too.
Has the KDE team managed to simplify (for good) the UI appearance? Maybe I’m under influence of the hot summer and a limes-on-green background -a lemon drink now would be nice 🙂
Just a note on those screenshots. That is definetly NOT the default KDE 3.3.
The widget style (and I think colors too) is Konx
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=12463
The window decorations are… umm.. modern system or something I believe they are called.
The background is http://wwww.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=10912
Icons are standard Crystal iconset.
I cleaned up the toolbar on konqueror quite a bit so it only shows those 5 buttons. I think if you choose the SimpleBrowser profile you’ll already be relatively close.
Has anyone tried them? Do they come by default with KDE 3.3 or are they optional?
Has anyone else experienced issues with certain applications after updating to KDE 3.3? Such as Kopete 0.90 displaying duplicate contacts, audio players XMMS and Amarok crashing, Konqueror crashing with certain websites that support only Internet Explorer and on some that require Flash. These issues happened on SuSE Linux 9.1 Professional after updating from KDE 3.2.3 to 3.3 using a YaST Source mirror.
I noticed two usability improvements when I went from QT 3.2/KDE 3.2.2 to QT3.3/KDE3.3, and then specifically the Plastik theme:
– Finally enough spacing between the menus
– Visible separators in toolbars (not just space but a line)
Sounds like you have some system issues. I am not having any of those issues. A custom xmms may be compiled with QT/KDE/ARTS bindings, otherwise it is not related to KDE in any other way (even uses GTK+)
Check to be sure you don’t have multiple versions of QT and KDE libraries. That might help.
I use Gentoo, and I have had no issues that way. I have had Juk crash using MusicBrainz a few times,but it did it in betas, too… I think it’s a MusicBrainz issue but Juk should handle it better. (filed it)
Other than that… it’s all tits.
@leo: Thanks for the links, your desktop looks goood in spite of not being 3.3 defaults.
I’ll try to get KDE 3.3 anyway, seems great how it can be made so clean-looking. Ok, ok, so I’m a fan of Gnome and its Indubstrial/Smooth themes, which have very similar aims (though I use KDE more lately).
Oh, definitely I’m under the influence of the sun 🙂
Shaman,
I tried YaST Repair and also attempted to remove packages that I thought were possibly conflicting. After getting fed up I did a clean install then everything seemed okay till I decided to install Amarok. Now I’m back to the same issue with applications crashing and Konqueror locking up on certain websites. I didn’t have any of this when I updated from KDE 3.2.1 to 3.2.3. Only after updating to this latest release is when I had any real issue with KDE. What I would like to know is why it seems XMMS is so tied into everything? Amarok has not only better features but is also only one application that does what XMMS and Juk make a poor attempt to do together. Anyway hopefully once the developers release Amarok 1.1 final then I’ll finally be able to use it with out crashing my system. As it is right now this update seems similar to the issues WinXP users faced after installing SP2.
The best way to install is.
Install qt 3.3.3 to /opt/qt
Install arts to /opt/kde3.3
Install kdelibs to /opt/kde3.3
Install kdebase to /opt/kde3.3
Edit kdm to point at the new kde.
Log in to the new one and remove the old kde in yast
If Amarok is *crashing your system* then you have hardware problems. That’s not good.
-Konqueror features better support for Instant Messenging contacts, with the capability to send files to IM contacts, and support for IM protocols (e.g. irc://)
gaim does it.
-KMail can display the online presence of IM contacts
this is being written into evo / gaim or is already in there, iirc.
-Kopete can display a “now listening to” message from amaroK
stupidest…feature…ever. you could script that into gaim if you really, really wanted to. in order to look like a twat. i’m sure some obliging twat already has.
-Juk has support for burning audio CDs with K3B
already in rhythmbox in latest versions, I think.