On August 19th 2004, the KDE Project released KDE 3.3. For packages, please visit the KDE 3.3 Info Page and browse the KDE 3.3 Requirements list.
KDE 3.3 released
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Re: “If Amarok is *crashing your system* then you have hardware problems. That’s not good.”
I didn’t say it was crashing my system..lol. My hardware is all current and only about 2 months old. I said after the update I noticed once I open an audio file in Amarok v1.0.2-5 that applications start crashing. MPlayer would no longer open any media file, Konqueror would freeze on several websites that I visited, etc, etc, etc. I did not experience these issues on any previous update of KDE. What I did was wipe the drive then did a clean install of SuSE Linux 9.1 Professional, then updated KDE to v3.3 then reinstalled all my highend film software (pain in the ass). This time I did not install Amarok and everything is working fine except for one other bug I found. YaST is integrated with Konqueror so as to ease package installation of files downloaded. When I tested this after the update I noticed the Google search field is shown twice in the Konqueror toolbar menu.
I’m 33 y/o, have experience with Windows, OSX and Linux as well as troubleshooting but my career is film (animation & visual effects) not being a programmer. I really don’t have time to play around for hours or even days figuring out fixes for bugs that shouldn’t be present in a final release. After all this is something the KDE team should of resolved prior to releasing KDE 3.3. Can you feel my frustration?
Makes me wonder if they just felt pressure from the KDE community to release 4.0 so they hurried 3.3 out the door before it was ready.
I’m also dissatisfied that the KDE team again decided to integrate XMMS so tightly with KDE. This is something former Windows users have complained about Microsoft doing with Windows XP. I should be able to remove XMMS with out YaST spitting dependencies it has with several applications. Anyone who’s taken the time to review all the audio players available for Linux users will see for an open source player Amarok crushes XMMS and Juk. Why bloat an OS with two or more players when one does the job of all of them?
Hopefully by KDE v4.0 the KDE team will get things right by not bloating the desktop with needless applications. For the most part though I am happy with the improvements the KDE team has done. I just wish they took a little more time testing v3.3 with all distributions that use KDE.
Uh, XMMS *isn’t* all that tied into KDE whatsoever. Only a few kicker apps and the odd program here or there.. and aside from the kicker XMMS controlling apps, the XMMS dependancy is optional. I also am not having any problems whatsoever with Amarok or anything else causing instability or crashes.
Don’t complain that it’s KDE’s fault if YaST wants XMMS, complain to whomever packaged your KDE binaries. KDE is also not responsible for testing end-user binaries for various distributions, the distributions themselves are.
Ah, the wonders of using Gentoo.
I said after the update I noticed once I open an audio file in Amarok v1.0.2-5 that applications start crashing. MPlayer would no longer open any media file, Konqueror would freeze on several websites that I visited, etc, etc, etc. I did not experience these issues on any previous update of KDE.
The common denominator here is your sound, but there is no reason why Konqueror should then freeze. They are totally unrelated. Can you try deleting all the configuration files in your home folder (not your mail or anything) and re-jigging your system?
What happens if you uninstall amorok?
I’m also dissatisfied that the KDE team again decided to integrate XMMS so tightly with KDE.
XMMS isn’t a KDE application. However, it has superficial integration through the QT-GTK engine (makes a GTK app look like a KDE one) that Suse has included.
I should be able to remove XMMS with out YaST spitting dependencies it has with several applications. Anyone who’s taken the time to review all the audio players available for Linux users will see for an open source player Amarok crushes XMMS and Juk.
Uninstall XMMS. You should also be able to do a package selection when YaST tells you what it is going to install.
Uninstalling Amarok v1.0.2-5 seems to resolve the issue with applications crashing. When it crashed a window pop up recommended I disable “aRts”. Hopefully when Amarok v1.1 is released it will not cause any bugs to occur. The other bug I found with Google search toolbar being displayed twice is only seen when installing a package inside the Konqueror windows by using YaST which is integrated. This second bug is more of a SuSE Linux developer issue than a KDE one. I’m not the only one that found these bugs after the update. Several users have complained on forums that they’ve experienced bugs such as crashing applications and they weren’t all SuSE Linux users.
I really don’t understand why the KDE team or SuSE Linux team continue to package XMMS and Juk that require several plug-ins to do what Amarok already does well. Seems that by having multiple applications installed that require additional plug-ins instead of just using an all-in-one is causing bloat and a waist of resources. Seeing things like this just clarifies that even if there are over 4000 open source applications the reality is not every one of them is good or of any real use to end users.
Don’t misunderstand, I enjoy KDE and a lot of the improvements the team has done on this release. It’s a lot better to use than boring Gnome
I just wish developers would take more time to test it with popular software and hardware before rushing it out the door.
“I really don’t understand why the KDE team or SuSE Linux team continue to package XMMS and Juk that require several plug-ins to do what Amarok already does well”
no. kde doesnt package xmms. bug your distro if they release buggy versions. kde works fine here. fedora user btw
Ah, another in long line of DE flame wars. To those who don’t like KDE, don’t use it (same goes for those that don’t like GNOME or any other DE/WM), and stop whining about it. The stance that goes something like – “KDE sucks because it’s bloated, or too many apps, or too much clutter, or there’s a bug in the documentation of some app, or I just don’t like it”, is just plain stupid. If you don’t like KDE, use something else and be happy. But you don’t need to rain on the parade of the millions of happy KDE users.
Anyway, I’m a long time user of both KDE and GNOME and I really, really like both. Both have their strenghths and weaknesses.
But recent times have seen me lean more heavily on KDE. It has just gotten better and better, at a faster pace than GNOME, IMHO. KDE is faster, uses less memory, has a better, easier development framework, has more features, is more configurable, and has many more apps than GNOME does. And I’m not knocking GNOME, I’m speaking the truth.
In short, KDE looks great, feels great, performs great, and it’s very easy and fun to use. KDE has everything I could want in a great DE.
@ mystilleef
Ever heard of nautilus-cd-burner and eroaster? I don’t see anything k3b does, that they can’t.
I am a GNOME user, but to my burning needs I use K3b. It’s the only QT application I have on my system and it’s worth it. Nautilus burning is OK, it’s simple and effective, but only for simple data disks. No multi-session, no audio burning, no advanced features. Eroaster, on the other hand, is a usability nightmare. K3b is fantastic: it has a nice, rather clean interface, but allows for more advanced features, if you want to use them. I prefer GNOME to KDE due to it’s simpler interface and I am waiting patiently for a GTK+ 2 cd burning application as powerful as K3b, but right now K3b has no rival.