A blog entry by Jure Repinc tells us about some of the new features in KDE 3.5 which according to this schedule isn’t quite finished yet. Amongs other things, there will be a Storage Media Notification dialog and some more eye candy in Kicker.
A blog entry by Jure Repinc tells us about some of the new features in KDE 3.5 which according to this schedule isn’t quite finished yet. Amongs other things, there will be a Storage Media Notification dialog and some more eye candy in Kicker.
There are no “interoperability” problems.
Yes there are, try to interoperate with any Qt dependency librarie and you will be locked to:
1.- Use a GPL compatible license in your proyects.
2.- Buy a Qt License
Don’t forget
go to http://www.trolltech.com and complaine there.
reply to my post starting with:
their is certainly an issuse with “LSD” around here but it isnt anything to do with TT.
LSB makes writing and distributing applications easier and more predicatable for authors.
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and illustrate how what you said is true.
dear Anonymous Troll,
you’re dreams became true. Trolltech now offers much cheaper alternatives for those who just need a subset of Qt. Qt4 will consist of seperate parts, and you only need to license the ones you need. so cheap development is possible, while those with more difficult needs pay more.
and still the beautifull business model stands: everybody that uses it, contributes back. either with code (GPL) or money…
lets get Qt 4 in LSB 3.0…
How cheap?
Can I get link?
In private, KDE developers will tell you that the Qt license is a potential problem. But in public they will use all sorts of justifications.
This will always be a problem until the license is changed (which wrecks their business model) or another implementation is developed with a better license (doubtful) or someone buys them.
And no the linux kernel is GPL but doesn’t have “strings attached”.
The whole QT license fiasco from once being incompatible with GPL to going to straight GPL has fucked up linux desktop development big time.
If Qt had been LGPL (say a community effort) and Gnome had never been started things would be so much better today.
The LSB point of view is the exact same as Novell, Sun, and Redhat. They don’t want to pass on a bullshit straight GPL license to their customers.
Fuck KDE. They should’ve thought about the consequences of the toolkit they chose.
Hard words but
Amen.
In private, KDE developers will tell you that the Qt license is a potential problem.
No they won’t. I suppose you’ve been involbed in intimate private conversations then?
And no the linux kernel is GPL but doesn’t have “strings attached”.
It does have strings attached. The fact that it is GPL’d menas that anyone developing drivers has to be aware of their obligations. You can’t keep things closed if you feel like it. You don’t get a commercial license like Qt to get around it either.
Read Linus Torvalds’ views on closed source drivers and extensions to the kernel. It’s very clear, and it hasn’t done Linux any harm whatsoever.
The whole QT license fiasco from once being incompatible with GPL to going to straight GPL has fucked up linux desktop development big time.
Wow. Says you.
If Qt had been LGPL (say a community effort) and Gnome had never been started things would be so much better today.
The fact that Qt is infinitely better than anything produced around GTK or Gnome, and always will be, shows you’re wrong there and the pragmatic decision to use Qt was right all along. Gnome is still arsing about with C, we got the language neutral arguments for C, then they realised they needed something better like what KDE has, now they’re arsing about with Mono and Java which will take years to finish before they’re on to something else. Desktop Linux would never have got out of the starting gate with crap like that going on.
The LSB point of view is the exact same as Novell, Sun, and Redhat.
Novell uses Qt for all of their important software, including stuff like YaST. They still do. The only graphical environment you will see for the OES is KDE.
They don’t want to pass on a bullshit straight GPL license to their customers.
All of the above companies use GPL’d software other than KDE and Qt.
Fuck KDE. They should’ve thought about the consequences of the toolkit they chose.
Fuck you. Qt will provide the basis for the best open source desktop bar none when KDE 4.0 comes about, and it will be done without this licensing bullshit that goes on every bloody time. Then the Linux desktop and KDE will finally leave all of this crap and the fanboys behind as it moves off into the real-world like Windows did against Unix in the late 80s and early 90s.
> Read Linus Torvalds’ views on closed source drivers
> and extensions to the kernel. It’s very clear, and
> it hasn’t done Linux any harm whatsoever.
Here’s the discussion: http://kerneltrap.org/node/1735
No they won’t. I suppose you’ve been involbed in intimate private conversations then?
Yes, they do. And actually two prominent ones I’ve talked to. Of course everybody puts their head in the sand in public as if it’s no issue.
it does have strings attached. The fact that it is GPL’d menas that anyone developing drivers has to be aware of their obligations. You can’t keep things closed if you feel like it. You don’t get a commercial license like Qt to get around it either.
Bullshit liar. If that was the case then we wouldn’t have ATI, Nvidia, and other binary, proprietary drivers.
The fact that Qt is infinitely better than anything produced around GTK or Gnome, and always will be
Better, but not infinitely better. But with the shit Qt license it doesn’t really matter.
, shows you’re wrong there and the pragmatic decision to use Qt was right all along.
Hehe, not in the long run if “linux on the desktop” is ever to break out of niche/hobbyist status.
Desktop Linux would never have got out of the starting gate with crap like that going on.
Desktop Linux isn’t out of the starting gate, but continue to be delusional.
Novell uses Qt for all of their important software, including stuff like YaST. They still do. The only graphical environment you will see for the OES is KDE.
Ok fucktard, then why did they buy Ximian and why do they fund so much Mono/Gnome development, while KDE is non-existant at their annual brainshare?
All of the above companies use GPL’d software other than KDE and Qt.
Hello moron, GCC might be GPL but it doesn’t extend the viralness because its not library. Wake up to reality.
Fuck you. Qt will provide the basis for the best open source desktop bar none when KDE 4.0 comes about, and it will be done without this licensing bullshit that goes on every bloody time.
“Best”? Haha, whatever you say fanboy.
Then the Linux desktop and KDE will finally leave all of this crap and the fanboys behind as it moves off into the real-world like Windows did against Unix in the late 80s and early 90s.
Not with the QT license as it exists today my delusional friend. And frankly the whole development model of desktop components along with a lot of the userspace in linux will probably always relegate linux to hobbyist status on the desktop.
Basically you people are complete morons and have no idea about how business works. But that’s understandable since fanboys aren’t in business and KDE developers live in fantasy world where low barriers to entry don’t exist and a proprietary toolkiot will somehow become mainstream. Wake up from your dream fucktard, because the nightmare is about to hit you with reality.
KDE has been deprecated because of the shit Qt license.
http://www.linuxbase.org/futures/ideas/issues/libqt/
KDE has been deprecated because of the shit Qt license.
the GPL?
> > it does have strings attached. The fact that it is
> > GPL’d menas that anyone developing drivers has to
> > be aware of their obligations. You can’t keep
> > things closed if you feel like it. You don’t get a
> > commercial license like Qt to get around it either.
> Bullshit liar. If that was the case then we
> wouldn’t have ATI, Nvidia, and other binary,
> proprietary drivers.
The legality of these drivers is actually questionable. Please read http://kerneltrap.org/node/1735 for Linus’ opinion on the subject.
I flipped through the first 90 comments scanning for ones without “LSB” or “license” in them. I’d be surprised if I found 10 of them. I flipped to the last two pages of comments and you’re still going at it. Thanks for wasting my time.