Home > Oracle and SUN > Google-Sun Bundle Is Not Anticompetitive Google-Sun Bundle Is Not Anticompetitive Submitted by Kelvon 2005-10-06 Oracle and SUN 22 Comments Sun has rejected notions that bundling the Google Toolbar with Java Runtime will be anticompetitive, especially since users will still have the option to install other toolbars such as Yahoo. About The Author Thom Holwerda Follow me on Twitter @thomholwerda 22 Comments 2005-10-06 2:12 pm I don’t care how popular a software is nor how great the quality is. But unless the bundling of something makes some sort of sense, I usually hate it. So hey Apple, when I go to download Quicktime, I don’t want iTunes with it. If I wanted it, I would go to the iTunes link. Hey Sun, when I go to download Java, I don’t want the Google Toolbar. I would go to Google for that. And hey Netscape, I stopped using you because you started putting all the other crap with your browser like the AOL subscription. I am not retarded and know my way around the web. I will stop using the JRE unless Sun provides an unbundled version. I do however feel sorry for Yahoo because I use JRE mainly for the great programs Yahoo has developed. 2005-10-06 2:27 pm I agree that bundling the Google toolbar with the JRE does not make too much sense. However, I’m not sure that ceasing to use Java because you have the option to install the Google toolbar when you install the JRE makes too much sense either. What I do really despise is when a package installs a bunch of crap without either asking or informing me of the fact. Which of course is not the case here… 2005-10-06 2:36 pm voidlogic I will stop using the JRE unless Sun provides an unbundled version. Good Luck with that. 2005-10-06 3:03 pm kellym Apple doesn’t require you to donwload iTunes when you download quicktime. Apple offers quicktime as a seperate download. 2005-10-06 6:43 pm Maybe yes, but at least the download link I found (AAPL directed me to) was a bundled download and I HATE this, I have un-installed both anyway 2005-10-06 9:17 pm TaterSalad Do you have a link for just the Quicktime download? I need to put it on a few machines at work to display a presentation. I hate the thought of having to download QT and itunes to just turn around and uninstall itunes. 2005-10-06 2:29 pm I dont care how un-anticompetitive it is. If I dont want a software, im not going to install it. And I resent some company of a software product that I do use, deciding for me that I should have, say, google toolbar. If not enough people are downloading a product, its probably because its flawed in some way, not because they arent forcing enough people to install their crappy product. 2005-10-06 2:35 pm i cant stand toolbars like that, i dislike bundling of ‘software’ a.k.a. spyware. and aint a big fan of java to begin with. (i also hate google) so this whole thing just flat ticks me off. 2005-10-06 3:09 pm Didn’t Sun and many other people complained that bundling of IE with Windows was anticompetitive? MS argued the same way, that users still have the option to download Netscape or any other browser. Now Sun is saying bundling is okay. Let’s ask the US Department of Justice and see what they say. 2005-10-06 4:25 pm g2devi You’re missing one point. Sun is not a monopoly but Microsoft is. Things that are perfectly okay for a small company are illegal for monopolies. If your corner store refuses to sell you a candy bar unless you purchase a newspaper, it’s easy to balk and go next door. If the old Standard Oil monopoly said that you could only use Standard Oil in Standard Oil Approved cars on Standard Oil Approved roads, you would have a series case of illegal bundling. 2005-10-06 8:47 pm jack_perry Sun doesn’t make the Google Toolbar. Sun’s complain about Microsoft’s bundling IE with Windows (was it Sun that complained about that?) was that Microsoft was bundling their own software with Windows for free, effectively shutting out competition. 2005-10-06 3:46 pm Smartpatrol This whole conversation is dumb, first they were hush hush about the deal between the two companies which turned out to the lamest partnership between two companies on the planet(bundling the google toolbar) then the whole idea is anti-competitive how retarded can people be. 2005-10-06 4:13 pm It makes more sense to bundle JRE with the Google Toolbar. Isn’t that the way StarOffice is going to be delivered over the Web? If someone downloads the toolbar, then they probably want to run the free office suite too. Better yet, just have the toolbar check for Java updates and download and install if you need it. Just seems backwards. 2005-10-06 4:45 pm mabhatter It’s a good idea for Google to have their stuff bundled with Java and good for Sun. Google needs an OS-independant platform to write GoogleApps to, and Sun badly needs a “killer app” to get people to download their latest Java. Bundle the 2 and now you have a platform ALL web developers can use.. java for programs and google toolbar for extensions. The REAL key to their success will be supporting other projects. OpenOffice.org is a natural step because It’s Sun’s project and adding support for Google searching of OpenOffice.org docs would be really neat to have. BUT… Sun and Google need to stop treating Mac, Linux, Opera, FireFox, Konqurer, etc. as second class citizens. The Toobar, java, and GoogleApps have to work on ALL the plaforms that are against Windows… otherwise it’s just another lame “plug-in” that ends up being Windows-only… Frankly, I’m a little scared of the privacy concerns, but once this is widespread, it will be easy to replicate the functionality with Firefox and Python to do many of the same things “off the grid” without Sun or Google. The key is that it’s a relively open plaform they’re starting so it would be very inconvienent to lock it down too much. 2005-10-06 4:48 pm This story is lame….as are the comments! If you are so worried about “bundling”, guess you better download the toolbar in the next week or so before you have the OPTION to include the Java JRE. NO ONE is forced to do anything…including reading these moronic comments!!! 2005-10-06 5:01 pm You’ve got Macromedia bundling the Yahoo tool bar with the flash player. I wouldn’t have a problem with it except they “opt-in” the bundle, in other words if you’re not really careful and watch the install screens you click thru, you wind up with an unexpected toolbar. can’t count the number of customers I’ve had come in with the yahoo toolbar and they have no idea how it got on their system, often alongside other toolbars. This is pretty shady in my book, offer the software in a bundle without opting the customer in by default….seems a bit more honorable IMHO. JT 2005-10-06 5:04 pm Try getting Quicktime player without ITune’s on it’s back…same cheesy auto opt’ed in bundling. No wonder Quicktime alternative and Real Alternative players are becoming some popular. QUicktime, like RealPlayer is very “take over your PC” with lots of silly non-sense that is NOT needed for the functions 99.9% of people will need from the player. JT 2005-10-06 7:06 pm dr_gonzo Quicktime is a platform. iTunes uses Quicktime to play the media. There’s no sneakiness here. I never found Quicktime that annoying except for the nag window that pops up each time I launch it. What’s all this “taking over your PC” lark? 2005-10-06 5:35 pm Though I love the Google _search_engine_, I despise crappy toolbars, and even more so the fact that SUN will start bundling such a worthless piece of software in their JRE downloads. Bundling crap is the work of the devil. I hope they’ll continue to offer plain JRE/JDK downloads, without any “extras”. 2005-10-06 8:53 pm Ever notice qttask.exe in your process list? Ever notice how it insists on dropping a shortcut into your systray without asking? Ever notice how it insists on dropping a shortcut into your quick launch bar without asking? Yes, on the above 2, delete key is wonderful thing. Ever notice how if you delete the qttask.exe entry from you registry, before long it’s right back? I want the quicktime player so off I go to http://www.quicktime.com and download quicktime, next thing you know…you’ve got both quicktime and itunes piggybacking in on top of it when all you want is quicktime. Need I go on? JT 2005-10-06 9:01 pm Try these QuickTime Alternative: http://www.codecguide.com/about_qt.htm Real Alternative: http://www.codecguide.com/about_real.htm Fast, lightweight, and will be exactly what 99% of folks need from the more bloated QuickTime/RealPlayer packages. Nil system overhead, no sneaky crap, just the ability to play the files/content that you want without the overhead . Plus with RealPlayer’s privacy and on-going security issues, plenty reason to not have it on your PC. YMMV 2005-10-07 1:41 am In the article Microsoft guy sounded upset. A good thing.