Hewlett-Packard and others pull out of a Linux conference after sponsor Lindows bumps open-source advocate Bruce Perens out of the keynote speech slot in favor of its chief executive. We reported on this, but now News.com reports on this with more news about the companies that are starting to pulling out of the event.
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2003-01-18 Linux 16 Comments
It’s nice to see that even among companies there’s still some common sense.
I hope everyone involved in this “conference” pulls out, rather than turn this even into yet another Robertson sideshow/promo. It’s sad to see what could be a promising entry-level consumer Linux product being so savagely overshadowed by the ego of its CEO.
Hard to take the product seriously when Robertson seems hell-bent to take any opportunity to turn any media event into a three-ring circus.
This must be some kind of all open source Hypocrisy. When HP “pulls him out” because nuts Perens among other things wanted to publicly violate the law, then it’s ok, nothing really to it. But if a capitalist wants a capitalist conference instead of a zealots brothers meeting, and puting his own money he chooses the keynote speecher, then all the gnu/stallmanites shout: HERESY!!!!!!, what a blatant ________!!!!!, and so on.
I wonder how will RedHat survive among these people, they are the things that make Linux capital doomed.
One issue with any open source based product is that they do have to deal with the open source community. They will be reviewed and judged (rather harshly) by this community, and it is possible for this type of product to be (eventually) killed by the open source community, especially when it recieves a bad name from within.
I followed Lindows news for almost a year and I always thought that they needed to learn the above in order for them to succeed/survive. I dictinctly remember Lindows upsetting the community before (I think for not releasing source code with their open source product – this is another issue though). I still feel that they have not learned how to deal with the community and in my opnion it will be the death of them.
Note: I do wish for their success, I’m not against Lindows. I just feel they need to change their attitude and learn the industry that they are in.
Xandros is waaaay better then Lindows and doesn’t have the bagage of a screwed up drama queen of a CEO.
A.) Stop trolling
B.) RedHat has been around and kicking for a long time and still will be.
>Xandros is waaaay better then Lindows and doesn’t have the bagage of a screwed up >drama queen of a CEO.
How is this different from drama-queens running oss projects..
mmm. the roses are smelling good this morning…
>How is this different from drama-queens running oss >projects..
Uh you’re not paying for the privilege? You can switch to something more to your liking (free _or_ proprietary) without your data being held hostage in proprietary formats? You can fork the code and shut the drama queen out altogether if you like?
C’mon trolls you just aren’t trying today.
“One issue with any open source based product is that they do have to deal with the open source community. They will be reviewed and judged (rather harshly) by this community, and it is possible for this type of product to be (eventually) killed by the open source community, especially when it recieves a bad name from within”
… Lindows is doing business (and hence money? maybe..) with their products which is based mainly on GPL’ed software they get for free because thousands of talented programmers are willing to give their time to OSS projects. It sounds quite obvious to me that the minimum, companies like that can do, is show some respect for the OSS community because without the OSS they wouldn’t do any f****** business at all!
“But if a capitalist wants a capitalist conference instead of a zealots brothers meeting”
Tell me where Mr Robertson finds 99% of the software he puts in Lindows? Right, from the so called zealots brothers so the least he can do is acknowledge that and not spit on the OSS community. That probably applies to you as well.
so, who is calling who troll here?
email me if you have some sort of legitimate complain, I was stating the fact, not complaining.
Large ego’s make and break projects, its a known fact.
Where in gods honest name did this come from?
“Uh you’re not paying for the privilege? You can switch to something more to your liking (free _or_ proprietary) without your data being held hostage in proprietary formats? You can fork the code and shut the drama queen out altogether if you like?
C’mon trolls you just aren’t trying today.”
Robertson is a jackass, he wants all the spotlight on him, Why oh Why do you think I call him a Bill Gates wannabe. I dont even think Bill would be as stupid as to make a move like this. I do not blame HP for this move and every stupid move Robertson makes means that thats one less company that would consider his OS and it opens up the door for the serious, professional Linux distros such as SuSE and Xandros. I hope all the companies pull out of the desktop summit. It would be so cool for Micheal Robertson to be standing there giving his Keynote speech to himself. Has anyone ever heard his speeches ? Steve Jobs he is not. Watch this Im still waiting for him to say the phrase ” Lindows Everywhere “
And what did you do for “our” community may i ask?
Suse is alomst the only (and Lindowz, Xandros(coming with a free downloadable light version later this year)) linux
kernel add-one’r that does not make iso’s available for download. Evil if you ask me..Lindows bah but Suse nah..
You can always install via ftp if you want and get the same stuff from SuSE as what they ship in their boxed versions. This option has always been available to users for a very long time.
Also there is nothing in the GPL license that says that you need to provide binaries. You only need to have the source code available to those who need or request it. Hell you can snail mail the source code on stacks and stacks of paper and still be within the GPL guideline. OSS is about open access to source code for all, but it’s not about free beer.
I think it is all about the timing. If Robertson had originally stated that he was speaking, no one would be pissed, because they would know right from the beginning…but because they originally scheduled Bruce Perens to speak, and then changed, it seems like a bait and switch tactic. If I was attending, I’d send them a nastygram saying I’m not coming unless Bruce is recheduled. And ask others to do tha same. (yes Robertson talking to himself in an empty room for a keynote…deliciously funny.)
Wait, GNU people aren’t the ones complaining about what that is happening! It is participates and sponsors who though this event was going to be vendor neutral. Lindows.com gives a reason that they want it to be focused on consumers, but is there any consumers going to the submit? Nope.
The keynote obviously is about Lindows.com approach on the desktop and their solutions. However, there are other companies that have different approaches, and we don’t know which would work best.
If this is going to be a Lindows.com fair, these sponsors see no reason to stick to it.
Besides, Lindows.com is not a capitalist company, it is a opportunistic company. It is very similar to a parasit.