Apple today announced it has sold a record-breaking nine million new iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c models, just three days after the launch of the new iPhones on September 20. In addition, more than 200 million iOS devices are now running the completely redesigned iOS 7, making it the fastest software upgrade in history.
Impressive.
These numbers are impressive, no matter how much massaging was done to them.
There is no breakdown between the high and low price units. Having a low price unit likely helped for this launch.
The number most intriguing is the 200 million iOS 7 updates. Without knowing exactly how many upgradable devices are out-there, it`s a bit difficult to gauge what proportion have been upgraded.
Anyways, it looks like more iPhone 5 devices were sold in one weekend than the combined sum of BlackBerry, Nokia, and Windows Phones in the last quarter.
Low price ones? The less expensive ones!
Apparently the 5S (more expensive one) is outselling the 5C quite easily. I guess this proves Apple did the right thing not to release a really cheap phone, because it wouldn’t have made them much money and they are enough people going for gold.
I still don’t know what the idea behind the 5C is. It’s a slightly better iPhone 5 in plastic. If you’re going to spend a lot of cash, you might as well spend a little more and get the 5S.
I’d rather have the latest and greatest than a phone which most advertised feature is color coordinated covers. It would only have made sense if the 5C truly was a cheap phone, like around 300-400 dollar/euro.
Apple shouldn’t have made the 5C, but made more 5S ones. It would have kept things more simple and made them more money. People who bought 5C iPhones would almost all bought a 5S instead anyway or wait for the 6.
Cost sensitive customers are not the ones standing in lines.
Having a low cost option is not even relevant in the US where there’s only $299 range of smartphone prices , its about long term global viability.
I agree, 5c price is a joke. In fact combined with 5 withdrawal this the offer is actually *less* competitive that the previous ones.
I have no clue who would be stupid enough to buy an iPhone5C over 5S at full price.
It proves nothing. They opened in even more markets on sept 20th than any other time before. So 9 mil is not indicative of growing popularity, when you take into account more simultaneous sales. The popularity should be apparent in January, when the full quarter sales come in.
they still have not addressed a market that is much more cost sensitive than US or EU – China.
Consider this – estimated iPhone5s sales are ~7mil, that is 2 mil more than iPhone5 with a massively bigger market at launch.
While I will stop short of calling it a roaring success till the quarter results come in, it’s still a good start. Though Apple is not covering larger or new market segments with this launch.
PS: In fact, this launch they are covering a smaller segment than last year – due to the fact that China Mobile cut their subsidies for iPhones.
Edited 2013-09-24 13:35 UTC
Totally disagree. We are getting a 5C for $99 on the next payday to replace a dying 3G that’s been a faithful digital assistant for 3+ years now.
Apple’s are owned by real people with real money problems, not upper class yuppy snots you like to pretend are the ‘fanboys’ that make irrational technology decisions. You have no idea how far off that image is from the average iPhone user around my part of the world.
Edited 2013-09-24 16:30 UTC
A rather rude part of the world.
yeah that’s it, rude poor people not watching their manners on the internet.
kinda like referring to grown intelligent men as ‘fanboys’ based on what brand of phone they have. is that rude?
i’ve been PDA’ing since the early 90’s. irrational iphone hate is always weirder than actual apple yuppies. it’s a stereotype that this site actively promotes. perhaps it’s localized to your country, but i’m trying to represent the voice of normal america up here.
good thing apple is gonna die soon, since 1981…
I thought I was quite original with my avatar, but it seems you are mistaking me for someone else.
For one I didn’t call anyone a fanboy and I’m very sure of this because I would never do so as I have a certain dislike for that descriptive term as it’s a generalization with a hyperbolic aura.
Second I do not hate iPhones nor do I hate Apple. I don’t bet, but if I did have that personality flaw I’d be willing to bet an above average amount that I own the most stuff with an Apple logo on it of all the members of this site and that collection includes more than electrical powered gear.
I have an iPhone and I wouldn’t trade it for anything else. Well, maybe an iPhone 5S.
What I merely stated was that the 5C doesn’t make much sense, since it’s really a minor upgraded iPhone 5 while for a little more money you get the model with all the latest features. Considering how many of the 5S model are being sold Apple might just as well have NOT brought the 5C to market and have people buy the 5S instead. Now they have to support two current generation devices.
They knew the new iPhone would be hit, but they can’t be sure both of them will be. I’m guessing the 5C will bring in enough money to make a profit, but I think it will be very modest by Apple standards.
I do not have the 5C and I’m sure you’re buying a great phone. It’s just that for a little more money you can have an even greater one.
i didn’t say you called me anything, just commenting on the general banter around here.
for me the 5C is about upgrade pecking order… haha… household also has a 4-32gb that’s running just fine, so we are replacing the plastic 3G with the plastic 5C.
i agree it might not be exactly what everyone wanted from apple but honestly, until they move away from a rectangular slab in your pocket how much more are they going to add to a pocket computer? you can already do most things remotely that you can dream up through some iOS or android app (or website for that matter).
now that a hardware designer is apple’s rockstar i expect their designs to push the envelope much farther than measurable specs. compared to every other tech company on earth you can match or top most apple specs.
it’s never been about specs with apple. it’s always about the experience and the reliability. the appreciation *aka* love for a device that many of us rely on to make a living.
believe me, my laptop starts crashing and needing multiple system upgrades or showing any OS compatibilities, my fam and I don’t eat. so i’ve been running mobile apple for 15 years now.
Then I hope you Apple hardware keeps working and your family doesn’t starve.
I’ve been playing The Bard’s Tale on a Macintosh SE lately so I hope that one doesn’t break or I’ll lose all my progress and I’m doing rather well.
I’ll probably buy the 5S so my wife can swap her 4 for my 5. But I’ll wait and see how the 5S does after people have used it for some time.
My theory is part of the reason they introduced the 5C was to differentiate the top model. If they had kept selling the 5 then the new top model 5S would look identical to last year’s model. They don’t want that. They want the current top model to be clearly different from the “budget” model.
I won’t rule that theory out, BUT:
It didn’t bother Apple with the iPhone 3G/3GS and 4/4S that they looked the same. The 5S doesn’t look like the 5 due to the finger reading home button and new colors.
The 5C looks different too and seems like a very happy phone, but if they really had wanted to make it a “budget” phone they should have included a budget price. You can get some good phones for less.
For iPhone 5 users I don’t think a 5C would be an interesting upgrade, unlike the 5S. Also the 5S is the point from which they continue on to the next generation.
Maybe the 5C was the next iPhone until they figured out how to do the finger reading and they made the 5S without canceling the 5C. Then again the 5C would have been burned by the media if it was THE next iPhone.
I pretty sure 5C will be targeted at other markets, not US. Markets where the 5S wouldn’t succeed but maybe the 5C would.
Orly? http://www.gartner.com/newsroom/id/2573415
This is the first time they have released 2 new phones at the same time…
Its an impressive feat to move that much inventory of such high dollar items in such a short time. But all the media coverage is using this combined total of units and comparing it to previous launches – that is just silly. A rather large number of those 9 million sales are 5Cs, and that is simply not relevant when comparing to past performance…
How many of the 5S model were sold? That is the only relevant number if you are comparing to previous launches. I don’t see anyone reporting that number…
I have no doubt it is in the same ballpark (5 million or so), but I doubt it is much higher, and if it is actually lower this news tells a completely different story…
Informal metrics show that the 5S outsold the 5c by 3.5x. Which makes sense given that anyone willing to jump on an iPhone on the launch weekend is likely after the new shiny 5S, not the rebadged last year’s model.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/23/iphone-5s-3-times-more-po…
Edited 2013-09-23 23:29 UTC
Coupled with the stories that people went crazy waiting in line for the “gold” version.
Seriously, fights were started. I can’t understand why the colour of a phone would have this effect (it isn’t all that much more pretty).
I think it’s just a case of artificially restricted numbers. Apple are the masters of creating demand by restricting the handsets.
Ever wondered why they always sell out of handsets? I think it’s pretty obvious that they manufacture that rarity in order to push sales.
And it really, really works. I bought one! 🙂
To any rational thinking person, it could drive you crazy trying to make sense of this. But when you consider that most people are f**king idiots (and I’m talking about the ones who consider the ‘sex appeal’ of a device or what color it comes in as the most important factor in the buying decision), it really puts things into perspective.
Because as every fanboy likes to tell us, most consumers are thoughtful about every purchase that they buy and are not subject to advertising or cheap psychological tricks.
I don’t doubt that could be accurate, but it is a rather round-about way to come about the stats (counting carrier activations).
Regardless, I’m still a bit skeptical. If it turns out to be exactly 3.5x, well that puts the sales of the 5S way ahead of the 5 launch (7 million units)…
Why would Apple not report this instead of this “combined” number??? It just looks a bit shady to me.
Interesting, companies like Sammy don’t report numbers at all and yet get credit for selling millions.
And Android is credited at a billion sales when the numbers from Google are listed as activations.
Everyone massages their numbers.
I wasn’t comparing to any other company and don’t care to…
I was simply curious as to why the media would use this number (9 million) as a yardstick when comparing to last years launch (5 miliion) when there is obviously a big colorful plastic elephant in the room in the form of a rebadged 2nd tier phone being included in the new numbers…
Its simple. The 5 million number last year didn’t include sales of the repriced 4S, did it? I’m only pointing out we still don’t know how many of the 5S model were sold. From anecdotal evidence it appears to have been quite a lot, even more than last year. Is it a crime to want to know the specifics?
Nothing wrong with wanting details but Apple has not split out their numbers since they started pushing their old phones down market. Including the launch last year.
Sorry, but that is simply not true. The 5 million number last year was for the iphone 5 only.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2012/09/24iPhone-5-First-Weekend-Sa…
True
But then Apple doesn’t say iPhone 5s only this year
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/09/23First-Weekend-iPhone-Sale…
So you know it’s both.
And you are right about last year but then would the number have been a good amount higher last year if they had included all?
That is really my point. I don’t think the number last year would have been much higher if they had included both phones. In fact I would wager sales of the 4S on the launch weekend of the 5 probably barely ticked up. But we will never know…
I’m curious how effective Apple really was at this 5C strategy… But we probably will never know because they are not reporting the numbers in a way that would tell us anything.
I think the 5C is one of the most interesting devices Apple has ever made. They made something that is cheaper to manufacture, is actually inferior to the model it replaced in some ways, sold it for the same price (increasing their margin) and although we will probably never know by how much – it almost certainly sold more than it would have if they had just left the iPhone 5 alone and reduced its price (which they would have done anyway).
There are always people posting about Apple using nothing but psychology and marketing to sell their products (I have even argued with some of them about it). But this is the first product they have made you can say absolutely without any caveats at all that is sold purely based on marketing and psychology.
I’m just really curious how well it worked is all – how many more of the same phone can Apple sell by putting them in cheap colorful shells?
Is no one else interested in this? I mean really – it is literally putting lipstick on a pig, it is the analogy made reality. I find it fascinating.
Apple is reporting a total number for what it deems new products. It never, or very rarely, gives product line segmentations. (This would be very valuable data to competitors and market analysts; Apple is already one of the more straightforward and transparent in reporting financial data.) It will give some segmentation insight by releasing numbers for new products. This is what they’ve done here. Perfectly consistent with their reporting methods. That you deem the 5C as not new, but rather last year’s internal components with a new shell, and Apple considers it a new product is not really remarkable or worthy of suspicion or conspiracy theories.
Edited 2013-09-24 01:07 UTC
Ugh… I don’t mind Apple reporting it this way – I mind the media taking the number and comparing it to last year as if it meant something…
The Apple press release does not compare this directly to previous launches, they only say it is “record breaking”. That’s fine, no issue. It is certainly record breaking, as it is the 1st time they released 2 phones… They never say what record they broke. Anyway, I never said I had an issue with how Apple reported it in their press release.
But every single solitary story I have seen posted in the media about this press release immediately compares it to last years launch of 5 million units… it is not comparable.
I’m not saying there is a conspiracy, just that the media is behaving rather irresponsibly with the data…
When has the media in recent times has ever been responsible with the data? I don’t think it’s conspiracy, but possibly plain old sycophantism.
True enough… I find the fact that Apple chose to change the yardstick far more interesting than the numbers to be honest. Why I don’t know, since by all accounts they would look good no matter how they reported it.
That’s what YOU said just a few comments ago.
I didn’t say I took issue or find fault with them changing their reporting method, I said I find it more interesting than the numbers is all…
Whats wrong with that? They can use any yardstick they want, its their press release. I’m not saying they had any ill intent, I’m just curious why is all.
The only issue I take is that you’ve made 10+ comments to express your own curiosity over something most of us seem quite capable of understanding.
I don’t see why it’s not comparable.
They introduced two new phones. (You don’t agree with this assessment.) Those two new phones sold more than one new phone last year.
The comparison seems quite easy to make.
2012 – Apples releases 1 new phone, and announces a price reduction on the current model. In the launch weekend press release, they announce they sold 5 million of the new phone, no mention of volumes of the now price-reduced model.
2013 – Apple releases 2 new phones, one is actually a new model, the other is a re-badged and repackaged version of the current model to reduce manufacturing costs. In the launch weekend press release, they announce they sold 9 million of both phones, no mention of volumes of either one individually.
Media immediately starts writing stories comparing 9 million to 5 million, because like wow! 9 million is an awful lot more than 5… Not a drop of ink on pointing out the difference in how those two numbers were arrived at…
It isn’t comparable because it is two different things. Is that not obvious?
I’ve yet to read a story that isn’t quite clear that there are two new things.
In other words, this is typical media behavior. The media don’t exist to report news, they exist to get more subscriptions and the way they do that is to sensationalize everything.
Back in the days when Android was up and coming, Apple fans would always come down on Android users because Android was measured in total sales, instead of breaking it down by OEM.
I think that Apple has failed to move as many iPhone 5s phones as they had planned, and this is the issue. I haven’t seen one of the people I know who buy Apple products with an iPhone 5s, but I have seen a bunch of 5c phones.
Well I was probably right…
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/26/opening-weekend-iphone-5s…
Edited 2013-09-27 01:49 UTC
I think this explains alot…
http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2013/09/24/the_truth_ab…
So I think your numbers by activation are probably right (3.5x more 5S) – they sold far more of the 5S model. The problem is, according to this report, Carriers are currently sitting on 3.5 million 5Cs that Apple is reporting as “sold” when in fact they are not in consumers hands yet…
In previous launches, when Apple reported launch weekend numbers, virtually all carrier inventory was gone by the end of the weekend. That didn’t happen this time, the 5C is still readily available almost everywhere.
So its not really 9 million, its more like 5.5 million – if you are looking at actual sales to consumers…
Im not saying that Apple lied or anything of the sort – they did sell 9 million units on launch weekend – to carriers… But this time around the carriers didn’t sell out of initial inventory. Just go look on Apples or one of the carriers sites if you want confirmation. The 5C is listed as immediately available right now almost everywhere – the 5S is 3-4 weeks out…
If this is right, and the split between 5S/5C was 80/20, then Apple’s year-to-year sales of their flagship model dropped a bit…
Not quite as impressive anymore is it? And I get ragged on for questioning the data…
Edited 2013-09-24 18:09 UTC
You get ragged on for mostly spouting nonsense and not actually looking at the data as presented that you are questioning. Even now, you can’t figure out that if you use the data for 5S/5C ratio, you would get a 29% increase in sales, not worse performance. And you’ve constantly been moving the goalposts: it’s not Apple, it’s the media you’re questioning; it’s not the media you’re questioning, it’s Apple, but you aren’t questioning Apple, you just have suspicions; iPhone 5C is irrelevant because it’s like the 4S last year; iPhone 5C is sitting on shelves so the numbers are a lie… Etc.
Edited 2013-09-24 18:23 UTC
Um…
5.5 million X .80 = 4.4 million
4.4 million is less than 5 million
At least using, you know, math. Not sure what you are using…
I get it. You don’t care about the actual numbers and what they mean relative to previous launches. Thats fine, I don’t care. But I questioned the numbers because there was something fishy about them and now we know what it was…
I prefer facts to press releases, but that is just me.
Edited 2013-09-24 18:35 UTC
Umm, you appear to have made up that 5.5 number and that 80% number.
It’s your argument that the 5C is irrelevant. So it being on shelves is irrelevant. The 5S is not sitting on shelves.
So…
3.4x (the number of 5S) + x (the number of 5C) = 9 million
x (the number of 5C) = 2.05 million
3.4x (the number of 5S) = 6.95 million
6.95 million is 39% greater than 5 million. (My previous post I typoed and entered 29%).
I was right, your not using math… that is pretty creative though.
The whole point is if there are 3.5 million 5Cs still in the channel after the launch weekend (and virtually no 5Ss) and Apple sold 9 million into the channel…
9 – 3.5 = 5.5 million
That is how many phones were sold to consumers in total.
If the mix was 80/20, then 80% of those were 5S models. That is 4.4 million. The 80/20 number comes from activations… There would be no activations on the 3.5 million sitting in inventory.
(btw – Im getting my 80/20 split estimate from here: http://9to5mac.com/2013/09/24/new-report-claims-china-leads-demand-… ),
Math is a wonderful thing when used correctly…
Edited 2013-09-24 18:53 UTC
No, the point is: you are making up numbers on top of a notoriously inaccurate analyst’s made-up numbers and claiming they are superior to publicly released statements and statistical analysis of devices observed on networks to get the answers that you want in defiance of reality, logic, and basic comprehension.
They ARE superior. Apple releases channel sales in their press releases. If inventory in the channel is gone after the launch weekend than channel sales = consumer sales. Except that didn’t happen this time around…
Do you deny this? I just checked Apples store, there is a 24 hour turn around on the 5C. Radio Shack lists the 5C as available in store right now. ATT shows no delay in shipping them. Everyone seems to have plenty of 5Cs – that isn’t “analysis”, its just plain fact…
Does it make any sense to use activations percentages relative to channel volume when a pretty big chunk of the channel volume was never activated??????
Is your “analysis” that Apple sold 7 million 5Ss on launch? Please go ahead, put it in writing right here…
Edited 2013-09-24 19:12 UTC
I say that Munster has no further insight than you (and I don’t think you’ve got any) and yet you’ve latched on to his 3.5 million number which has no basis in any discernable data.
Look, if you believe your math, that the 5S undersold the 5 and that 3.5 million 5Cs remain unsold, it seems logical to expect that Apple will underperform for iPhone sales this quarter than they did last year. Would you like to wager on that? I’m willing to bet a space gray 5S for me and whatever you want for you.
Only because there is no discernable data… There is however quite obviously 5Cs sitting in inventory – that has never happened before.
Do I know 3.5 million is accurate? No, but it sounds reasonable. Regardless, my point is some percentage of those 9 million sales didn’t happen yet – relative to previous launches in which those sales did happen. Its apples and oranges, which was my point all along…
No, I would not go that far. I will wager that Apple won’t break out 5S/5C sales in their quarterlies… because if they did I suspect that although it may not be bad it won’t look terribly good either relative to last year. They will report total iPhone sales like they always do, and having 2 new models will of course ultimately yield them more sales. They may even show a margin increase since they cut costs a bit on last years model.
I will tell you right now that Apple won’t break out individual models in their financial earnings because THEY NEVER HAVE. (This is my point: you try to speak from authority, but it’s clear you don’t know sh!t about Apple except for the sensationlist headlines you read and then choose to interpret as you see fit.)
So… now you… what? Agree that this launch and quarter of sales will be greater than last years? Or merely that you can’t know? About 15 minutes, you were telling me you know exactly how many millions of product were sitting on shelfs and how many millions were actually sold but now you can’t tell if Apple is doing better or worse than last year? Get real. Stop pretending.
Are we questioning all previous quarters of iPhone shipments now and all other smartphone OEM sales announcement or only this one? Because you seem awfully obsessed with latching onto numbers that largely everyone else finds uncategorically positive for Apple and making them negative as far as this specific announcement goes, but you are falling back on an argument that applies to every announcment made over the last 6 years.
You can’t be serious… Does the product mix not matter to you? When has Apple had a launch weekend that didn’t sell out of initial inventory? Im sorry but that obviously changes the meaning of the numbers.
And Im not trying to be negative about it, Im just trying to get accurate numbers. I simply don’t think 9 million is accurate if you are trying to gauge year on year performance. The product mix matters when all of a sudden there is one when there wasn’t before…
Again, you’ve accepted as gospel Munster’s estimate for channel inventory, and you’ve discounted every other number for no discernable reason.
I have never expressed no curiosity for the product mix. However, I don’t know projected channel fill. I certainly don’t know it for the two separate products. I don’t know how quickly they are refilling the channel (or not). Nor do I know that for previous generations. I don’t know production ramp for this or previous generations. Etc.
Nothing I’ve said has expressed lack of curiosity for this data. What I have expressed is complete and utter disdain for your lack of understanding, poor questions, and contorted attempts to make this widely agreed to be successful launch as worse than last year’s.
Also, you can claim that you aren’t saying this was a poor launch or that you aren’t questioning Apple’s data, but the fact that you are is pretty plain from your innumerable posts at this point.
Edited 2013-09-24 19:59 UTC
Myself and several more astute observers have already more thoroughly analyzed the data elsewhere.
Don’t suggest I don’t care about the data just because I think you’ve asked foolish questions which are either already answered or immaterial. There are such things as stupid questions.
The question was answered, just not here and not by you… I found the answer to my question – how many 5Ss were sold (somewhere between 4.4 and 5 million). The number floating around here was 7 million.
I never saw you correct it… Why is that?
You haven’t answered anything. You latched on to a number guessed at by an analyst and are now contorting it utterly out of control.
Where’s my link???
Where’s your link to what?
You said…
Do you have a link? I know we are arguing and all that, but I like data
Edited 2013-09-24 19:23 UTC
If you don’t know where to look for worthy Apple analysis and prefer to post crap from Business Insider, I don’t see how I can help you.
Ah. I see. Your full of shit. Good to know… I thought you were actually serious.
I meant to type 39% in my original comment. Apologies.
Forbes is throwing their hat into the ring now…
http://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2013/09/23/iphone-5c-channel…
and now Motley fool…
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/09/24/apples-9-million-i…
and the verge
http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/24/4766700/how-many-iphones-did-appl…
But I guess their all crazy too…
It’s called aggregation. I can point to 10 stories that are exclusively sourced from one weak source on any topic you name.
You really are irritating…
I know what aggregation is. The three articles I linked are not aggregation. They are editorials. Three different articles by three different authors on three different sites. Not personal blogs, well established sites. One is Forbes for heavens sake…
Well see whats what in October. I personally think Apple’s quarterly will look wonderful – how could it not? They did sell 9 million phones after all…
My caveat is I think they did a bit of channel stuffing to make sure those sales showed up on the current quarters report. Well see – if we start hearing carriers whining about a glut of 5Cs they can’t sell…
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/26/opening-weekend-iphone-5s…
hmmm… Different analyst this time. Is this guy notoriously untrustworthy too? His numbers are even lower for the 5S.
Just saying, that wonderful mind-blowing 9 million unit launch is starting to not look as great. If anywhere near half of those units were 5Cs, then Apples launch margins are going to be affected negatively compared to previous launches.
To whoever modded me down:
Would you mind posting what exactly about my comment was inaccurate, trollish, or off-topic?
This is supposed to be a discussion forum… Why don’t you, I don’t know… discuss things instead of performing drive by mods for no reason other than personal biases?
Waiting in line? Haven’t these people heard of Amazon?
They probably had to wait in line at AT&T to break their contracts.
Edited 2013-09-23 23:59 UTC
I’ll be damned, live and learn I guess…
Obviously these nine million people have never read Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds by Charles Mackay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_Popular_Delusions_and_th…
That would be because it is pretty much forced on older iPhone users. My sis was saying she would avoid the new update on her 4S until she had to download an app from the App Store, as the phone wouldn’t let her do that without taking the update first.
I’m glad I left the platform when I did. I was excited about iOS 7 until I started reading about more new bugs than new features in the development releases.
Android users cry because they can’t update,
iPhone users cry because they don’t want to update.
What a strange planet we live on!
I haven’t encountered any iOS 7 bugs so far. I’m aware of the lock screen bypass one.
One of my best friends has a rare genetic disorder that causes her vision to be bad. iOS 6 was a joy to use for her, with lots of contrast and clearly defined clickable areas.
iOS 7, not so much. She simply cannot use it.
I’m not sure if genetic defects count as OS bugs.
But I was wondering myself why Apple didn’t offer an option to select the visual presentation. They could even sell extra skins or open it up for developers to create their own.
It’s not exactly an original idea, but I think a lot of users would welcome it.
Apple must have known in advance that their new UI design was controversial, but they provided no alternatives or any options to at least relieve the annoyance some people may have somewhat.
Your friend can find some, perhaps helpful, options under settings -> general -> accessibility.
That’s not the Apple way.
I haven’t encountered any iOS 7 bugs so far. I’m aware of the lock screen bypass one.
The difference between bugs and features is often subtle; anyway, in iOS 7 Apple somewhat adjusted its device identification API yet again (in particular, apps cannot access MAC address any more). Apple has never recommended that vendors should use MAC addresses for device identification, but for vendors the decision always depends on technicalities.
For now, users of a few popular games complain that their progress is dropped to zero. Non-game apps are also affected.
Depending on your point of view, you can blame either Apple (e.g. for not advertising their changes actively enough as it was in case of UDIDs) or 3d party vendors, but the result is the same – users suffer. We will see soon how big the problem is.
How good for you, because iPhone4 is barely running iOS7.
This is inaccurate. If you want an update that is tied to the latest version of iOS you obviously have to update. However Apple just changed the way the store works so it will now let you choose the last compatible version so now you still have access to a 100k worth of apps even if you don’t upgrade.
In my defense, it was third party information; I thought that was obvious. I sold my iPhone before iOS 7 was released and was going by what my sister said.
That’s a bit ambiguous; did they “just change it” in the past day or so, or did they change it with the release of iOS 7? If the former, then it’s quite possible my sis did encounter a situation where she wasn’t allowed to download an app without taking the update first, and my anecdote has merit. If the latter, then it’s possible she just assumed she had to update the OS first. I’ll have to ask her next time I see her.
What were the initial sales figures for the iPhone 4s? Those are the baseline number for potential 5s sales because those people are coming off their 2-year contracts. On top of those are the converts and new sales, so these numbers are excellent and depict very good loyalty towards the iPhone. Not surprising at all. I will be purchasing a 5s, but my contract doesn’t expire until November 30.
Whooo! 9 million new exploitable devices! Gooooo Apple!
Oh look, fanboy votes me down. Surprise!
I wouldn’t worry too much about the downvoting. I like iOS, have said as much many times here, and I get downvoted any time I say something slightly less flattering than “OMG teh iPhone is teh koolz” (see above). You get used to it after a while.
What a bunch of nonsense. ishtar was voted down for posting a useless comment with no basis in reality. You think someone posting that same comment about any other device release wouldn’t get voted down?
Not really. I post useless, even banal, comments sometimes in an attempt to be funny, and they are often voted up. For example:
http://www.osnews.com/permalink?573139
It depends on the platform. Once you’ve been on a site for a while you get a feel for the bias that is inherent in any discussion forum. Here, it’s Apple and GNU/Linux fans who reign supreme. Diss either of those platforms and you’ll end up downvoted, drawn into a flame war or both. Praise Microsoft and the same happens; see any of Nelson‘s usually insightful comments about Microsoft. As I’ve said before, I’m a fan of iOS but that didn’t stop the more rabid fans from downvoting my comment above, which was a simple anecdote that wasn’t even negative in tone.
A couple of thing:
– Apple started selling iPhones in the first three days in more countries than before. So, the numbers are going to be higher.
– Apple included the sales to “outlet channels” this time – not customers who actually are using the phones. One reason might be that in many of the new launch counties sales are through third party retail outlets.
They also released them in China, which makes a HUGE chunk of the sales numbers. True its still the same numbers but another company I know could do just the same thing and easily trump it, its just marketing at its best
According to Piper Jaffray Apple is counting all stock delivered to retail outlets as “sales”. The 9 million sales claimed apparently includes 3-4 million unsold iPhone 5C models delivered to retailers.
According to this article as few as 50% of 5s models and only 5% of 5c models delivered to Australian retailers have actually been sold to customers.
Pretty much an unmitigated disaster if true.
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/mobiles/australian-telcos-strugg…