Red Hat plans to push a similar open-source infrastructure stack as part of its recent debut of Enterprise Linux 3. However, the Raleigh, N.C.-based company, which did not offer comment on the Novell-SuSE merger, lacks a global channel and a scaled-up technical-support organization of Novell, whose NetWare networking software continues to serve more than 80 percent of Fortune 500 companies, Novell executives said. Read the report at Yahoo! news.
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…wants to turn up the heat on Redhat even more, Novell/SuSE should provide some form of a stripped down version of its product. That way, more people will try the product. Despite what the bashers might say, Novell/SuSE should have the desktop in mind for it’s the [small] users who might not be interested in the server environment at the mement, that will be decision makers in less than a decade in their professional years. So it will be easy for them to reccommend a product they have worked with at least on the desktop. I hope it will be Novell/SuSE.
Just my CAD$0.02
Cb..
Well .. we can only hope that the folks at Novell will get their act together this time. It wasn’t a good thing that they lost the low-end server market that they had all but sewn up. Redhat is starting to get arrogant, and seems intent on pissing up the very people who are getting its products into the door. Serious competition here will be really good.
the competition between RH and SUSE/Novell is a healthy one for at least a few years. If the competition is healthy, then we all have more choices, and the two companies both have better products. If too soon one of them die, or lag technically, then we will end up having Linux as one commercial product with no choice.
Maybe the next thing will be IBM merging with RH?
How would IBM fit in to Redhat and Novell.
Actually, Red Hat did say something today to the Raleigh paper, teh News and Observer:
http://newsobserver.com/business/story/3001496p-2748147c.html
…wants to turn up the heat on Redhat even more, Novell/SuSE should provide some form of a stripped down version of its product.
SUSE LINUX already provides a “stripped down” version of its product: SuSE personal edition, not to mention a free-as-in-beer FTP install. What more do you want?
lol….I don’t know, just as I didn’t know how Novell will fit in SUSE…
Who knows….
I hope SuSE/Novell and Red Hat feed off each other by making the market more competetive. I dont want them to steal customers from each other; however I would like them to take a piece of MS corp pie….
Give more chocies in the market…
We know how Redhat handles being #1 and we know how Novell handled being #1 before.. Which do you want to win?
“We know how Redhat handles being #1 and we know how Novell handled being #1 before.. Which do you want to win?”
NO ONE! That’s the point of competition: no one should win; everyone continues to fight, which results in better products and services. The fight should continue forever. When someone wins, you end up with something like Internet Explorer.
>”Which do you want to win?”
Me. And all of my consumer buddies (that’s you too) by getting better products with better services for less than I pay now. :^)
Actually, I think this buyout doesn’t signal war with RH as much, rather it is saying to the global IT market that Linux is a serious OS with serious backing by a reputed and technically excellent company. This has been under way already with RedHat and SUSE, but it just makes Linux more “appealing” to PHB’s. Instead of the image of having to deal with obscure, hairy hacker types, now they have the suits of Novell sales to deal with which is what they love.
If anyone is going to suffer, it will be the existing Unix companies and MS who are going to have to fight hard to retain their market. I imagine that Novell are aiming squarely at the corporate desktop.
Besides: if Novell/SUSE sell something Linux-wise to a company, RedHat can also do business with them in terms of support if needs be. RedHat has a lot of experience in supporting Linux, and this is unlikely to become totally redundant overnight because a company has moved its Unix/Windows server operations to Novell/SUSE. They still have expertise in packaging, updates, and *especially* kernel knowledge (do they still employ Alan Cox?). Lots of businesses like to modify the kernel for their own needs. Who better to hire than someone who is centrally involved in the kernel development? If so, why not go to RH!
However, Sun, MS and the rest don’t have that particular expertise: yes, they have skilled techies, but not specifically with Linux.
It might slow down RedHats growth though, but I cannot imagine it will destroy it.
If Novell wants to turn up the heat on Redhat even more, Novell/SuSE should provide some form of a stripped down version of its product.
They may try to do that, but don’t count on it. Free software doesn’t help businesses make any money, the only time free software is going to make you any money is if there’s a guarantee at the end that if the user likes the product, they will eventually pay you something for it. But Linux doesn’t work that way. What we are really seeing is the corporate realities rocking the Linux market. The free ride for polished software like Red Hat and SuSe is over.
“Redhat is starting to get arrogant”
No what is already arrogant is the linux user base that expects everything to be handed to them for free. Red Hat is just dealing with the reality of the software business market. You guys act like they are getting fat over at Red Hat, when they are just barely getting by at all. Novell will soon find out as well, as if things weren’t tough enough over there already.
it just makes Linux more “appealing” to PHB’s. Instead of the image of having to deal with obscure, hairy hacker types, now they have the suits of Novell sales to deal with which is what they love.
Exactly right, just like they’ve been getting from IBM and HP some lately. But those suits cost money, so if you still want the free stuff you’ll probably still have to deal with the hairy hacker types instead.
It might slow down RedHats growth though, but I cannot imagine it will destroy it.
The problem for any *nix O/S is that the *nix niche will forever be splintered, making it impossible in the near term for a single *nix product to take over the entire market. Standards like Java help, but still aren’t pervasive. Not sure what the answer is.
As we all know by now,SuSE has sold out to Novell,for twenty million Dollars.Well I just think this is too much money for a ragtag bunch of Krauts to have,all at one time.
But as we know ,much new and shiney goods can be bought with that much money,even in Germany.
“Novell headlines will start to appear under the Penguin logo. RedHat will be called arrogant by some and praised to the skies by others – nothing new there.”
Seriously, will Novell now be considered a Linux company? What with their future versions of NetWare using the Linux kernel etc. I must admit that I’m somewhat disappointed, as I knew the NetWare kernel’s working, inner functionality, and have been admiring it. NetWare kernel is a powerful beast, with the downside that it’s not the best application server.
SUSE LINUX already provides a “stripped down” version of its product: SuSE personal edition, not to mention a free-as-in-beer FTP install. What more do you want?
Please bear in mind that most of the world is not on broadband. So,although the SuSE product is free, many people cannot try it out! But for distros like Redhat and Mandrake, I have seen those with slow connections downloading these for up to even two weeks. Yes, two weeks! The result is they get familiar with the distros and eventually recommend them to the PHBs. These PHBs could consider taking out a license.
The idea is to “plant” the notion in users heads that a particular distro is the best, just like Microsoft allowed its OS and MS-Office to be pirated knowing that it would be beneficial in the long run after proliferation. That’s wy yopu have users who think there is no other word processor other than MS-Office of even Internet Explorer for browsing.
So, my request to SuSE would be to provide a downloadable ISO so that people can easily try it.
Cb..
You cant just BUY your way into the Linux Community! Dont get me wrong im glad to see big companies SUPPORTING linux but What has Novell contributed to the LINUX community to this date?
Novell’s method of movement into the Linux world wont gain them much respect among the more Intelligent linux users. Those of us who know how configure out favorite GNU distro and repack it for easy install on the next box.
What dose all this ease of use, automation, and pretty GUI’s REALLY do for a distro? It makes it more like windows. In order to truly embrace Linux you must first let go of your dependency on windows.
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NetWare Kernel certainly is probably going to remain the most efficient for file services. I think I will still run the NetWare kernel for file services. However, in the future I will run the Linux kernel for printing and also for applications (something I couldn’t do before). The Linux kernel will also be better for eDirectory (many requests, latency important, etc.) I think that eDirectory would run better under FreeBSD personally, but that isn’t going to happen. The unified VM model under FreeBSD would really help with caching between I/O and memory.
is there anything different between it and the cdrom install?
Anonymous (IP: —.113.204.226.ts46v-21.grnbry.ftwrth.tx.charter.com):
As we all know by now,SuSE has sold out to Novell,for twenty million Dollars.Well I just think this is too much money for a ragtag bunch of Krauts to have,all at one time.
But as we know ,much new and shiney goods can be bought with that much money,even in Germany.
Already reviewed
Who’s the moron who reviewed this prejudiced nonsense and decided it was okay for OSNews?
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