Solaris 10 for SPARC/x86 is now available for download. Get it while it’s hot.Here’s the new license:
Licensee/Company: Entity in receipt of Software from an authorized source
Beginning Date of License Term: the date of receipt of this Entitlement
Software: Solaris 10 3/05
Permitted Use: Commercial Use
License Term: Perpetual (subject to termination under the SLA)
Licensed Unit: Registered Computer System
Licensed unit Count: Unlimited
Finally! This has been a Solaris month. Great news. We’ll have one OS (after BSDs) that is not mired by tons of incompatible distributions + everything works out of the box + which is technically superior to almost anything out there.
All I could ask for is that it is ported to some more platforms (like IA-64) which should happen hopefully since it is open…
Now if only Sun hardware support it wouldn’t be half bad, then some software for it, oh wait those are all GPL tools, from any linux distro?
Damn who would of that of that?
good news
No Gpl. No drivers network, or video, let alone sound, or a compiler. I hope you like debugging.
“All I could ask for is that it is ported to some more platforms (like IA-64) which should happen hopefully since it is open…”
I believe Sun did have an Itanium port in progress but dropped it. Opteron, Xeon, and SPARC already cover what most people would use Itanium for. Itanium excels at HPC, but that’s why you can also buy systems from SGI, if you like.
It would be interesting, however, if OpenSolaris included the Itanium code, if it were completed. If not, you’re right that some uber-geek could add it, but the effort would likely be for “because I can” rather than “because I really need this”. I suspect that AMD64 will be the most popular OpenSolaris platform, by far, if only because it gives the benchmark fanboys a warm fuzzy.
WTF are you even talking about?!?
No Gpl. No drivers network, or video, let alone sound, or a compiler. I hope you like debugging.
I do believe you can get gcc for Solaris 10. The drivers on the other hand…I guess we’ll see about that. If Solaris was GPL they wouldn’t have to reimplement every driver in Linux, but I guess they could use BSD drivers.
What’s an FCS?
“Now if only Sun hardware support it wouldn’t be half bad…”
Sure, if you take some crusty old hodge-podge PC out of a closet, your asking for trouble (the same is generally true of all operating systems, including Linux and the BSDs), but, if you are re-purposing good hardware or buying new hardware, your chances with Solaris are just fine.
The HCL trolls are just getting old. Really really old.
“I do believe you can get gcc for Solaris 10.”
Yes, the pre-built pre-packaged versions at http://www.sunfreeware.com work very well.
Now if only Sun hardware support it wouldn’t be half bad, then some software for it, oh wait those are all GPL tools, from any linux distro?
For hardware support, check out the hardware compatibility list ( http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/ ) for a (growing) list of compatible hardware. I won’t argue that it’s as extensive as Linux, but Solaris 10 supports a much larger number of devices, especially on x86.
Check out /usr/sfw or /opt/sfw, which have a large number of open source (including GPL) tools. Look at the Java Desktop System, based off of Gnome. If that’s not good enough, check out blastwave ( http://www.blastwave.com ) which has been around for years and has a large collection of community supported open source software.
No Gpl. No drivers network, or video, let alone sound, or a compiler. I hope you like debugging.
No, the kernel is not GPL, though Solaris makes extensive use of GPL software in various packages. OpenSolaris ( http://www.opensolaris.org ) will soon release the code under the CDDL, which though not GPL, is still OSI-compliant.
There are many network drivers supported, including broadcom and intel (by far the most popular). There is no wireless support, though it will be coming in a future update.
Solaris 10 uses X.org, so it supports as much video hardware as any other Linux distro. Unless you count the binary-only nVidia drivers, though that too will change in the future.
Solaris 10 has sound support, including i810 audio.
Solaris 10 ships with gcc in /opt/sfw/bin (or is it /usr/sfw/bin?).
Try not to comment until you’ve actually tried it.
And with Solaris Express, you’ve had a year to form an educated opinion.
For hardware support Sun is a bit like Apple. They support a limited amount of hardware to guarantee that their OS will work. They just want to avoid the problems that occur with other OSes on random hardware like device conflicts, crashes, etc.
I believe this is actually Solaris 10, not Solaris 10 Express. Express implying it’s a beta program.
“No, the kernel is not GPL, though Solaris makes extensive use of GPL software in various packages. OpenSolaris ( http://www.opensolaris.org ) will soon release the code under the CDDL, which though not GPL, is still OSI-compliant.”
It’s best to stop the patent trolls before they start. The whole patent issue with the CDDL is still up in the air, unresolved–please don’t complain until people understand better what the details are.
What’s an FCS?
FCS stands for “first customer ship”, and is when the final software is first available to customers. You will also probably hear about RR, which is “revenue release”, and is usually when the software is available on media in boxed form.
Okay,
Compilers, gcc is bundled, if you don’t like the version download one from http://www.blastwave.org or http://www.sunfreeware.com .
Hardware, if your having problems please post the details of the machine, we keep hearing about these hardware problems, but never get any details. Check the hcl as listed in Erics post above.
GNU tools, see /usr/sfw/bin and the supplemental cd’s. Interestingly if we didn’t include these tools the complaint would be that we didn’t include them, when we do the complaint is that we did. Hmmmmmm.
Try Solaris 10, if you have problems then ask – we are all more than willing to help any genuine queries.
You will also probably hear about RR, which is “revenue release”, and is usually when the software is available on media in boxed form.
Mixed that up a bit – RR and FCS are usually synonymous. The media is typically availabe at GA, which is “general availability”. Sigh.
Lumbergh –
Wireless support is coming in an S10 Update. Initial support will include a few chipsets and the required framework (configuration, etc). Many Sun engineers are happily running wireless on their laptops today 😉 I don’t know what investigation, if any, has been done into ndiswrapper.
I looked for my video card in the HCL (an ATI mobile 9600). It says that it’s supported with the Xorg driver. That’s fine for now, but is there any word on whether ATI or Nvidia will be supporting Solaris10?
>> if you have problems then ask – we are all more than
>> willing to help any genuine queries.
What is the best forum for such queries?
I think a lot of trials will end in disappointment. Solaris is a great OS at what it does, but I imagine there will be a lot of DL’s with someone looking for another ‘desktop Linux’ type toy to play with. Just have to be ignoring them along with the other trolls and such when they vent their frustrations in the next few months.
I looked for my video card in the HCL (an ATI mobile 9600). It says that it’s supported with the Xorg driver. That’s fine for now, but is there any word on whether ATI or Nvidia will be supporting Solaris10?
Check out the nVidia announcement.
http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2004-10/sunflash.20041012.1.h…
And Alan’s blog proves it’s not just corporate-speak hype:
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/aland/20041203#progress_with_nvidi…
I don’t what commercial ATI plans exist, if any.
Let’s see. I believe I have a Linksys WPC11 v4 with the Realtek 8180 chipset. Linksys does put out linux drivers…not sure if they finally got out the 2.6 drivers since I just switched to ndiswrapper anyway, but my question is if it would be possible to hack some emulation layer for binary drivers that have been released for linux by vendors? Do vendors write wireless drivers for Solaris or maybe give out specs under a NDA to Sun?
Wireless is still a pain on linux and I can only imagine that’s it’s many times harder on Solaris. Wireless is so important these days.
As a stopgap until there are more drivers available for Solaris, it would be interesting to have cosolaris http:://www.colinux.org for Solaris. Let windows handle all the hardware details (or even linux for that matter)
would be possible to hack some emulation layer for binary drivers that have been released for linux by vendors?
Linux device compatibility is quite difficult due to the lack of a DDI (device driver interface). Since Linux (often forcefully) encourages drivers to integrate into the base kernel tree, they make use of almost any kernel function, and are very much a moving target. I don’t want to start a flame war over whether this is a Good Thing ™, only to point out the current situation. Binary emulation for Windows is easier in this respect, though it has its own can of worms to deal with.
Do vendors write wireless drivers for Solaris or maybe give out specs under a NDA to Sun?
I would imagine that Sun is pursuing such agreements with a variety of vendors, wireless included. But I don’t know any specific details, nor could I likely comment on them if I did 😉
It would be interesting to have cosolaris http:://www.colinux.org for Solaris.
There are a variety of virtualization solutions, including VMWare, QEMU, coLinux, and Xen, that can leverage existing drivers for the benefit of Solaris. I’m sure someone in Sun is checking out this avenue of research, but no word on any specific projects.
>> if you have problems then ask – we are all more than
>> willing to help any genuine queries.
> What is the best forum for such queries?
Probably the Solaris x86 forum from the bigadmin site. see http://forum.sun.com/forum.jspa?forumID=11
Also the solaris-x86 alias on yahoogroups, the archives are public, so its a good starting point.
I can’t speak for everyone else, but post a question on my blog, I’m certain others will respond as well.
Great day for the Unix world!
Very nice to see the DVD ISO’s out there….only way to go anymore…piles of CD’s..Su#$
Who cares if it supports every odd cheap piece of desktop oriented hardware! I’d rather have a smaller hardware driver base comprised of well tuned, highly tested drivers versus a bunch of drivers whipped up so someone can use a cheap NIC that has no business on a robust Unix box. Windows has already went down that disasterous route with Linux right on it’s heels.
Flame all you want….I’m too busy downloading!!
JT
Need more software/tools for Sol-10, check out Blastwave for a killer DVD deal!
http://www.blastwave.org
JT
This is very cool, I’m downloading it now. I know what I’ll be spending next weekend doing. Anyone know what the Language and/or Companion CDs contain?
Oh, thanks for clearing that up. To bug you some more, I heard that ZFS would released after the first update after general availability. Any ETA on that (Q2, Q3, etc?)
Its kind of interesting Lumbergh:
Oh, and you gotta love the FUD from the GPL fandweebs. Expect much more. Remember, it’s not about software. It’s about religion.
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Who was this dedicated to? Eric from Sun? I have seen nothing but someone being quite helpful w/respect to various qestions being posted on OSNews. Calling someone fandweebs is a little uncalled for, in my opinion.
Eric has been gracious enough to give some of his (valuable) time to answers question. In my opinion, that speaks loudly for Eric and Sun in general.
Remember, this isn’t /.
Rayiner –
Sorry, no date yet on ZFS. We’re working on the details, but I promise the team is working like gangbusters. On the bright side (assuming you don’t care about commercial support), you’ll be able to download and build the source immediately after it integrates thanks to OpenSolaris, bypassing even the month (or so) it takes to reach Solaris Express, and the few months it takes to make it back into an update 😉
Hopeful, Solaris 10 won’t be disappointing. I look forward to some nice reviews on OSNews in coming weeks.
Um, I think if you look closely, he’s remarking that all of the GPL-or-die drones who blather “It’s not free – DOOM, DOOM!” are idiots. I could be wrong tho.
Hi,
Companion CD is bunches of gnu tools, stuff like fvwm etc. A lot of things like samba, apache etc already come bundled, but it can’t hurt to add in more things
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More details on the older companion cd’s can be seen at http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/freeware/ I’m guessing it should be updated soon with the s10 details.
Language cd’s are the localised builds of Solaris.
Who was this dedicated to? Eric from Sun? I have seen nothing but someone being quite helpful w/respect to various qestions being posted on OSNews. Calling someone fandweebs is a little uncalled for, in my opinion.
No worries. The comment was directed at the fact that I mentioned GPL and CDDL in my initial post. As I interpreted it, Lumbergh was merely giving a voice of support, as in “don’t let them bother you”. I do my best to avoid the trolls that come out of the woodwork whenever the GPL is mentioned, and appreciate the fact that there are people on both sides of the debate. No offense was intended, and none was taken.
– Eric
I’ve downloaded the CD1 with Mozilla at 250 Kbps. I’ve decided to get the other CDs with Sun download manager but it can’t go past 40 Kbps. Back to Mozilla and the speed climbs to 250 Kbps again. The links are the same, so why such a difference ?
Curious if the AMD64 bits are on the x86 DVD/CD’s or what the status on availability of the AMD64 version of Solaris 10?
Thanks to the Sun folks on here helping out!
JT
Maybe I’m blind and overlooked it, forgive me if so.
Amd64 components are on the x86 cd’s.
Solaris 10 has complete support for AMD64/x86-64. The kernel will automatically boot in a 64-bit mode if hardware supports it. And, of course, all 32-bit applications will continue to work on a 64-bit kernel. On the SPARC side, _only_ 64-bit kernel is delivered.
I have downloaded with Firefox CD1, CD2 & CD4 at +350kb/s, but downloading CD3 was too slow (40kb/s). I am about to retry CD3.
Sun is the only company whose employees regularily turn out on OSNews. I can’ say I recall seeing anyone post from Apple or IBM. Occaisonally we’ll have some Linux distro interview to hock their wares. Shouldn’t this be considered Sun’s support of OSS by appearing on theses sites to answer questions from enthusiasts, client, and the merely curious?
Personally, I can’t wait to try this thing out… but I’ll probably wait for the first update.
BTW anyone know what status KDE will have? I s=assume Gnome will be the default per JDS.
Can I be overly curious and ask what packaging solutions are available for Solaris developers?
RPM is pretty nice when doing internal development for my company. RPMs are simple to create and easy way for us to manage deployment of software across lots of servers.
Solaris have anything similar?
anybody please explain to me the relationship of Solaris Express with Solaris 10? are they not the same?
thank you.
Hi Shawn
Woops, over active on the return key there
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Packaging, Solaris has had a packging system for years upon years, your best starting point is the Application Packging Developers Guide – see http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/817-0406
It is as pretty much as indepth as your going to need.
Solaris Express was/is the beta/early access releases of Solaris 10, what was released earlier on today is the finished product.
The Solaris Express program will continue on with the latest and greatest Solaris builds, and http://www.opensolaris.org will have all the goodies quite soon as well.
Sun employees probably have the bosses permission to post here. We @ IBM aren’t allowed to tell anybody about anything without prior written permission.
I kinda understand the postion, especially given the SCO lawsuit.
It would be really nice if it supported the tulip network chip. It was supported at one point with some sort of driver SDK that included the linux tulip driver as an example, but had to be removed because of some sort licensing issues. All of the network cards I have all have the tulip chip unfortunately… Linksys, Kingston, SMC, etc…
Solaris doesn’t come with KDE packages, but they can be easily installed from http://www.blastwave.org. Getting the whole thing is as simple as typing “pkg-get kde-gcc”. This will also integrate KDE with dtlogin’s menu.
So far this forum seems like a sun love-in to me which is ok because I don’t know much about the platform.
Is there no room here for expressing concern over the potential pitfalls of the upcoming CDDL?
From GrokLaw:
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050121014650517
and
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050126023359386
It’s obvious that PJ is a staunch supporter of all things GPL and her bias is certainly reflected in those articles. She does however raise some compelling issues.
RMS has also come out questioning Sun’s patent release vs the CDDL.
http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/31/1310231&tid=29
My question is what makes doing development for Solaris under the CDDL legally better/safer for me as a developer than coding for the GPL (and other copy-left) licenses using GNU/Linux?
I checked News.com, Yahoo, Serverwatch.com, Slashdot and other web sites. None of them mention Solaris 10 release. I thought this would make headlines all over the place.
On a side note, how can a perpetual license be terminated ? Isn’t it like saying that an immortal is going to die ? Just kidding…
“License Term: Perpetual (subject to termination under the SLA)”
Is there no room here for expressing concern over the potential pitfalls of the upcoming CDDL?
Given that the CDDL is already covered in many, many other
fora such as osnews, groklaw and slashdot, it seems just
a little niggardly to me that you want to drag Sun’s CDDL
into a discussion about the latest release of Solaris
which (at least at this point in time) is not released
under the CDDL.
there can be only one…..
release the power of the quickening, just don’t lose your head ;oD
on a serious note though… i’d guess it means “you can use this from now on, unless we put a stop to it”?
What about java VM performance on Solaris 10/OpenSolaris ?
Get a gigabyte of RAM. That should solve most of Java’s perceived performance issues.
Factually, Linux supports more hardware devices than Solaris and even Windows.
Factually, Linux still has problems with wireless cards and other common devices. Factually, Linux can support 100x the hardware that Windows and Solaris does, but if it doesn’t handle the common cases then it’s irrelevant.
The BSDs aren’t GPL either, yet I get to read the code for the whole operating system. Your point being? There’s more in the open source world than the restrictive GPL license.
“Factually, Linux can support 100x the hardware that Windows and Solaris does.”
Perhaps, but it doesn’t.
Wireless is still a pain on linux and I can only imagine that’s it’s many times harder on Solaris. Wireless is so important these days.
Wireless is a pain on any platform, including Windows. Everything is a moving target, products are discontinued, new and slightly different versions are released and vendors are telling you every couple of weeks that they’ve boosted the speed to new highs and the stuff that did work reliably is no longer produced! Wireless has absolutely no chance of being a reliable replacement for ethernet as it currently stands.
Try using wireless all the time for everything, including logging your computer on a network such as a Windows one and you’ll see.
Since Linux (often forcefully) encourages drivers to integrate into the base kernel tree, they make use of almost any kernel function, and are very much a moving target. I don’t want to start a flame war over whether this is a Good Thing ™, only to point out the current situation.
Agreed on that topic. If you’re using the drivers in the kernel, Linux is wonderful. If you’re adding drivers on then it becomes a pain. The kernel is a moving target (less so these days, but there are no real guarantees), and any manufacturers that do produce drivers specify a particular kernel to run it with which is useless as we all know. With Linux as a whole in no mood to compromise about keeping the integrity of GPL’d drivers (probably a good thing), the situation won’t get any better in this regard.
If Sun were really embracing open source and growing technologies, they’d publish torrents of this thing – they could integrate it into the Sun Download Manager if they were trying to push a EULA acceptance – that’d be better than a zillion files to downloan individually and concatenate into a huge ISO.
“Wireless is a pain on any platform, including Windows.
Try using wireless all the time for everything, including logging your computer on a network such as a Windows one and you’ll see. ”
I have no problem with wifi and MacosX, it works perfectly.
My powerbook is only connected with Airport.
Bittorrent would be wonderful.
But a bit of advice for Adam, ask nicely rather than being mean spirited about it…a drop of honey gets you further than a gallon of salt water.
For something described by a few linux fanboys as “a joke” their servers sure are swamped with download requests for this “joke”, humm…maybe it ‘taint such a joke? Always watch what the attackers are saying, it’s usually just them in their own way describing themselves.
I don’t know if there would be anything preventing anyone with the downloads already to offer them up on bittorrent?
Sun is not the only company that could embrace the excellent bittorrent technology to help with the bandwidth issues of software releases such as this.
JT
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I have no problem with wifi and MacosX, it works perfectly.
My powerbook is only connected with Airport.”
thats because apple integrates the hardware and software as a wholesome thing unlike linux which has to work with random stuff thrown together
thats because apple integrates the hardware and software as a wholesome thing unlike linux which has to work with random stuff thrown together
My powerbook works with any accesspoint flawlessly. There is no excuse for linux to not have a unified way of configuring wireless devices.
Not trying to be mean or hostile.. just genuinely curious. I may want to help out if possible and want to know where I stand.
AFAIK the CDDL will become Solaris’s license when it’s released:
http://opensolaris.org/faq/general_faq.html
So for a (potential) Solaris developer it’s a valid question right?
Is this correct? Does Solaris 10 now come with an actual C compiler in the install? If so, sweet…
“Is there no room here for expressing concern over the potential pitfalls of the upcoming CDDL?”
This whole flamewar started within the last two weeks on Slashdot and OSNews, and the discussions are chock full of misinformation by people pretending to understand the issues. It is fair to ask questions about the CDDL–it is a new license. However, it seems a lot of people are more interested in seeing OpenSolaris not get off the ground.
Several people are already questioning Bruce Perens’ interests in this matter (see responses to his comments at Slashdot and at the Cuddletech blog, http://www.cuddletech.com, for example). He has revealed that he owns Linux-oriented stock (8% in Progeny Linux), and he also works for a company with interests in “risk management” (www.osriskmanagement.com) who _sells_insurance_ against open source law suits. Of course he is trumpeting the patent issue. People are bewildered that such a big name in Open Source history is trolling Slashdot instead of taking a mature approach by posting an thoughtful article like Groklaw or displaying consistency and conviction like Richard Stallman.
Groklaw has already posted that Sun is clarifying the patent issue (http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050201024326302) with the key quote “‘Clearly we have no intention of suing open-source developers,’ said Tom Goguen, head of Solaris marketing. However, he added, ‘We haven’t put together a fancy pledge on our Web site’ to that effect. ‘Some kind of pledge is possible, Goguen said: ‘We’re definitely looking into what would make sense and what would make the community feel more comfortable with the patent grant we have made available.'”
Hi,
I want only to know if ZFS and Linux Interoperability are included in the Solaris 10 3/05 download…
Thanks!
@Daniele
If you read the earlier comments you would see that ZFS will be available in a later update, in fact it’s likely that it will be part of OpenSolaris before it’s ever put in the binary distribution.
It’s really quite comical to read through all these discussions and note all the unwarranted Sun bashing. Clearly there are some folks spreading FUD simply because misery loves company. They fear open competition in the form of Solaris because it creates uncertainty over the future of their pet project leading to doubts about the choices they have made in the past. So in an effort to marginalize OpenSolaris, they resort to the very same tactics that they have so long accused Microsoft of using. Some of the comments from prominent members of the OSS community are just plain misinformed…or are they deliberately misleading. Then we have the deliberate attempts to bury the fact that Jonathan Schwartz has for all intents and purposes, unmasked (link below) the “great IBM patent giveaway” on his blog using nothing more than a simple patent search. I think we are beginning to see the true nature of the Linux community, and quite frankly it sickens me, since I have long considered myself a part of it.
http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/jonathan/20050130#looking_back_on_…
Downloaded and installed NetBSD 2.0 for Sparc64 on my UE2 finally! i would get a chance to play with SMP Netbsd…should have read the FAQ’s! NetBSD Sparc64 doesn’t support SMP! Arghhhh. Perfect timing on this release i will have my UE2 setup with Sparc Solaris 10 tonight.
somebody (looking @ the —.sun.com posters) pleeeeeease post a torrent. thx!
But a bit of advice for Adam, ask nicely rather than being mean spirited about it…a drop of honey gets you further than a gallon of salt water.
Ask nicely? First off, I’m not even asking at all. But if I were, I fail to see how I’m being “mean spirited” about it. I’m excited for Solaris 10 and Sun in general. But, I, like many of you, have plenty of reasons to be suspicious of Sun, because their plans have always been a moving target. They’ve always made quality stuff, but they stop on a dime when it seems to suit them. They claim to be supporting open technologies, and yet they are pushing their huge new download, possibly more popular than anything they’ve ever done (even the JRE is usually distributed with NEW computers), via their own download manager rather than a free technology that would save them money and their users time and energy. That’s a bit curious, isn’t it? I’m just wondering why they wouldn’t use torrents, and the only reason I can conjure is that they want all users to accept a EULA.
Fine. But of course, I can’t get to the ISOs now, and I may lose interest before I can. So JT, guess who loses in that scenario? Hint: not me.
Can I now use Solaris Express on an SMP sparc machine being used commercially without paying a license?
More clearly, will I be able to use it on our company servers without breaking any laws, much like RedHat or do I need to wait for OpenSolaris?
So that’s the best gripe you can come up with?!!! They didn’t use your preferred distribution method. C’mon! That’s pretty transparent don’t you think?
Thanks for the post!
Yes, my head has been spinning with all the flamewars etc. It is hard to pick out the salient bits. I do believe that it is always better to get something in writing than take to take anyone’s “word” (companies included).
I don’t believe that Sun has it in for potential developers – why try to screw over your future support/profit base?
As a developer I’ve been forced to consider things like my intellectual property, copyrights ad nauseum. This takes away time/fun from actually doing the stuff I want to – it’s really a bummer.
I’ll have to wait and see what Sun does next.
Regards,
E.
Can I now use Solaris Express on an SMP sparc machine being used commercially without paying a license?
More clearly, will I be able to use it on our company servers without breaking any laws, much like RedHat or do I need to wait for OpenSolaris?
Very good questions The way i always figured is the Dual CPU UE2 i own is built specifically to run Solaris in a dual CPU configuration. So in my mind(probably wrong) just owning the hardware grants a license to run Solaris on it(in my case for non-commercial purposes…just for the hell of it). The same could be said about other proprietary systems like HP PA-RISC worstations/servers. Its almost like buying a used playstation then paying seperate license for its basic ROM to load games when the license was bought by the original owner.
*Note: I know there are other OS operating systems that run on the hardware not applicable in this argument.
>Gather and unzip all required component files.
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>Then concatentate all unzipped files into one
>single file named sol-10-GA-x86-dvd-iso.iso.
what’s the right command to do this?
The command is called “cat”.
Try “man cat” or “cat –help”.
Sun did a really good job in either addressing or starting to address all the weakness Solaris had against Linux. It’s going to be a good fight. Sun is a good fighter, they gave it to IBM and HP in the 90’s, and now that they got off their big fat ass, they might end up giving it again to them. Here are the problems Solaris 10 has resolved.
1) Ease of USE – Bye CDE, Hello Gnome, StarOffice, Mozilla and a whole slew of enterprise management tools.
2) Real x86 Version – Solaris on x86 is no longer a learning tool, it is fast, stable, and has tons of third party support
3) Hardware Vendor Friendly – Well this is more a problem with Linux hard line attitude rather than Sun doing something right, but they mess around with the API to encourage hardware companies to open source their code. Hardware companies don’t like that and for the most part just have to recompile and remake their software. Solaris on the other hand has a stable hardware API and will have vendors supporting it
4) 3rd Party Support – Because the x86 version is recompile compatible with Sparc Solaris and both versions are Linux binary compatible, and because Sun has gone out of their way to get support, there are lots of 3rd party apps for Solaris x86.
5) Free (As in Speech) – Will be released under the CDDL license soon. (And people shouldn’t spread FUD that it hasn’t because it will in a few months)
6) Free (As in Beer) – Will have a free beer version, licensed for unsupported production use with free security updates.
7) Cool Technology – Solaris was becoming one of those boring business operating systems, but cool things are happening there again. DTrace, ZFS, jails, and a host of other cool stuff are there.
8) Long Enterprise Life – Can install in the server room without worrying about having to upgrade it every 1.5 years. The only distributions on Linux that do that are RedHat (which costs lots of money) and RHEL clones (which noone really knows how long will be around).
I’d love to see a torrent for this — an official Sun torrent, that is.
Folks it’s so simple:
If you don’t like it, don’t use it. No one is forcing you to download Solaris 10 with a gun to your head.
It’s Sun’s product, if they wish to track how many downloads, or ask that you accept a EULA to download it, that’s their right and their business. Don’t like it, go use something else.
Yes, it would be nice to have some torrents and Sun would be wise to consider that technology for distributing their code out, especially when they allow a free download. Anyone whining ever stop and think what kind of bandwidth has be sucked up in the last few hours of everyone downloading Sol-10? Bandwidth isn’t free folks!
Reminds me of politics, one year we’ve got party “A” saying such and such is a crisis as party “B” says there’s no crisis, then a few years later (when party “B” thinks everyone has forgotten what they said a few years ago) party “A” is suddenly saying there is no crisis because they realize party “B” may just be serious about fixing the problem.
As I love to say, watch what the critics say about something they don’t like (especially those that offer nothing of substance up as an option), what you’ll often see is just them discribing themselves. When it comes to Solaris 10, it clearly threatens some folks out there and they are going to be doing a lot of FUD, the same thing they complained for years about Redmond. They’re so transparent with their own hippocracy.
Sun could drop a download server with OC3’s on it in every city and it wouldn’t be enough for some. Do you really expect to have full speed downloads of this much software a day after the release? Let’s be realistic here and chill on the sun bashing thinly disquised…those with half a clue, can see right through to the real intent behind your posts.
Don’t like the license, don’t use it. Don’t be aksing for legal advice about licensing on a forum like this. Do you want to bet the bank on legal advice given on a forum like this…come on? Print the licenses off, read them over. If you have any doubts, get a lawyer to look at them and point by point answer any questions you may have. Don’t go relying on a forum like this, Slashdot, or opinions from folks that are clearly biased to some degree or the other (ESR, Linus, and hordes of others posting opinions as if they were factual legal interpretations).
Here’s a novel idea for those worried about licensing!
http://www.sun.com/contact/
Be nice, ask you questions point by point, be patient, and lo and behold you might just get your questions answered (and in an email you can keep on file) by the folks behind the license.
While I’m no lawyer, I’ve began reading them over and developing some questions for our legal department, but I really have not seen anything that is a show stopper. We’ll have to see exactly what the CDDL turns into, but hey even the GPL has some restrictions folks are not found of. Want to see an open license, take a look at the BSD license(s).
Don’t like the CDDL? Don’t use it or software governed by it.
Don’t like the GPL? Don’t use it or software governed by it.
Don’t like the BSD licnese? Don’t use it or software governed by it.
You should see a pattern here. Let the marketplace determine what will fly and what will sink. Don’t complain if a company who has lots of $$$$ tied up in a product doesn’t release it to the world under a license you want. It’s theirs and they can release it under whatever license they want to. You have the right to fuss if you wish, but you don’t have the right to tell them how to license their product. Don’t like, don’t buy/use it.
It’s really so simple, but the FUDsters are clearly threatended and expect to see more the “pot calling the kettle black” for sometime to come.
JT
Okay, first, this is NOT intended to be a flame, simply me being curious with some honest questions.
I am currently using Fedora Core 3 x86_64 with Gnome 2.8, and I am happy with it. However, I always love trying out new things. What benefits does Solaris 10 give me as a desktop user over Fedora Core 3? I read through some of the stuff on the site, but reading over the “10 reasons to move to Solaris 10” I found that it mostly covered the server area.
So what are the benefits?
Note: (These days, one can’t be too careful) Again, I am not trying to have anyone convince me of anything, nor am I trying to start a flamewar, just some honest opinion about Solaris 10 on the desktop, and how it compares to FC3. And I don’t personally care about the license issue (if there is one), so don’t bring up the whole “It uses GPL/CDDL” argument.
In that particular context, there are probably no advantages to switching to Solaris. If you’re happy with Fedora…stick with it.
“Fine. But of course, I can’t get to the ISOs now, and I may lose interest before I can. So JT, guess who loses in that scenario? Hint: not me.”
I don’t loose so why should I care? I don’t think Sun is going to go away because Adam didn’t like his download speeds/options? Come on!
Then simply put, I have to ask just how truly interested are you in Solaris 10, that you’d be giving up on downloads because they are fast enough or via the medium you want them in? All this over a product that the ink hasn’t even dried on most of the release/availability announcements!
I’ll have all my bits dl’ed here in about 6 hours. Yeah, things are much slower than they were last night when I went to bed, but hey I’m not paying for the download…I think I can wait a few hours and a few tries if needed to get a product I’m truly interested in popping that DVD in (can’t wait to plop it on the ASUS mobo and Opteron 246 system setting over here) and see just what a well coded 64bit OS can do.
First 3 CD’s came screaming in nicely on a 3200/952k DSL connection overnight. Yeah, part 4 and 5 are a lot slower this morning, but I’m not suprised. I really didn’t think the DL’s would go as smooth as they did last night and I sure didn’t expect things to be zipping along any better this morning.
Yeah, bittorrent would be nice, but that’s up to Sun. They may have their reasons for not going that route (I can think of a few) and then they may have it in the works. It’s clearly not as simple as them just tossing up a link.
If nothing else, lets face the reality of perception here, Bittorrent to the typical “suit” doesn’t exactly conjure up images of anything beyond illegal fire sharing (if they even know what a torrent is, grin). The ‘techies’ at Sun would be the ones to drive such a dl option thru the legal folks. Hey it may not fit with their plans, that’s their right. Let’s stop thinking it’s just horrible the first time a company wants to make a bit of profit and/or protect it’s products.
JT
Well, I was going to download and try this Solaris.
But looks like the download requires registration.
Not a nice way to be welcomed to something that’s supposed to be free. And for sure not a way to earn loyalty.
I don’t do registrations.
So I guess I’ll pass.
Looks like the “Open” Solaris isn’t that open after all.
With this registration string attached already who knows what other strings may come up later on.
Besides, my last experience with Solaris (version 8) was so bad, actually the worst ever for any OS I ever tried. It never even installed, and I tried three different, quality hardware, boxes.
I stil have the three Solaris 8 cd’s sitting on the shelf somewhere collecting dust and remind me that these big corporations still like to play in their own sand boxes and don’t realy care about us users.
For those old enough to remember the history.
The big four, Sun, Novel, Apple, and IBM had the technology and means to prevent Microsoft from achieving total monopoly back in the day. But they selfishly chose to play in their own sand boxes.
And now that finaly a knight in shining armor (Linux) arived to our rescue, they suddenly want to “hitch a ride”.
I don’t think so. I say let them die with slow and painful death like they deserve.
Their market share will only go to Linux companies (as it is already happening).
Even if I do decide to try Solaris, it will be only as an exercise of curiosity and Sun would have to “move mountains” to earn even a little bit of my trust (much less my loyalty).
And screw the stupid registration! Eve if I did register, it would be with a throwaway, garbage, email address that I use for this kind of thing. Fake name, address, and phone number of course. They don’t think they’ll get the real thing do they?
Does the final release remedy the USB mouse malloc() bug that was present in the Express versions?
It was a real showstopper for me.
Chuck-
Better put some tin foil around your head (and your PC), as Sun is going to track your IP down, and suck your brains out if you don’t. Then they’ll sell your throw away email address to the Redmond Monster and it’ll come after you.
You guys are so obvious and hillarious! Keep it up, better than the comedy channel!
JT
actually thats not *open*solaris which you can dl. its just the normal commercial solaris 10 aka (solaris 10 express) rls.
according to the roadmap on opensolaris.org we won’t see *open*solaris before Q205.
> Sun employees probably have the bosses permission to post here.
Probably, I guess for them it’s a convenient way to enforce flamewars.
@ Raoul_Duke
Well, damn!
Then what the fu** did I just waste half hour for?!
The Sun FUD machine already has me in its clutches and I didn’t even download anything yet!
Lol. I new it was too good to be true.
Linux realy is the only free software. Everything else is just imitation.
@ JT
I have no dubt they would do that if they could.
My tin foil armor with Linux emblems is firmly on, and protecting my head and groin area.
BTW, if I ever want to try Solaris, I’ll wait when it’s on bittorent. I’d bet it’ll be on bittorent within 24 hours.
I don’t mean bittorent from Sun. Sun is too stiff to be open or to use something open like bittorent.
The X86 HW support list is sadly not just short, it’s pathetically short. I’d love to install Solaris but from the HW list that I can see now that ain’t likely to happen.
Hope most of you guys who try it anyway and find it to work well on your system report this in under thw HW list so they can add more devices which work/don’t work…
This whole release is just Sun playing catch-up. They’ve finally realized all their mistakes, such as supporting CDE over Gnome and supporting Sparc over x86, but too late. Now all Solaris gets you is a cheap knock off of Linux.
Nothing can change the fact that Linux is already way more scalable than Solaris. This is partly because Sun doesn’t make scalable hardware but it could be that Solaris was designed for the mid-90s and hasn’t seen a major overhaul since. Linux scales to > 10,000 processors now, and Solaris can barely do more than 100. There’s so much hardware out there that Solaris doesn’t support either. Try finding a SATA RAID controller that Solaris supports. 3Ware and Promise both support Linux. They don’t support Solaris.
The way Linux is developed though there’s no way that Sun can compete. Everyone knows what goes in Linux stays free. Not so with this proprietary CDDL crap. It’s all there so Sun can integrate changes OpenSolaris people make back into their proprietary kernel. Sun did this because they realize the intertia of the open source movement. With thousands and thousands of programmers worldwide working on Linux, there’s no way Sun can keep up with the ideas and work they are doing. Plus Solaris is all legacy Unix crap like FreeBSD while Linux is a fresh clean start based on modern ideas rather than ones from the 1970s.
All in all there’s no reason to use Solaris. Hardware doesn’t support it. Apps don’t support it. Linux has been outperforming Solaris in every respect for the past 5 years. Their Gnome is old and ugly. Plus it’s all Java crap on the desktop. Modern Gnome apps like Beagle use C#/Mono, that is the way of the future. Mono is GPL. Gnome is GPL. Linux is GPL. GPL is the future, not CDDL/proprietary crap
“I’d bet it’ll be on bittorent within 24 hours.
I don’t mean bittorent from Sun. Sun is too stiff to be open or to use something open like bittorent.”
Then from what I read, if you haven’t registered to download Solaris 10 (we’re not talking OpenSolaris yet, it’s not available YET), then you don’t have any legal right to use this release of Solaris 10. Unless you’re making money off of it or with it, I doubt they’ll come hunt you down, grin.
If you’re truly for open/free software, then you wouldn’t be using Linux, you’d be running run of the BSD’s (eg FreeBSD) as their licenses are much less restrictive and open if your concerned about licensing affecting software you develope and then want to sell. Not flamebait, simple fact that has been argued out a long time ago.
Okay, I’m off to other things and give the osnews servers a break (many sigh in relief). I’ll have my legal download of Solaris 10 done by the time I’m done with other projects and I’ll be ready to fire up the DVD burner and enjoy what looks to be a very robust Unix OS that goes with an Opteron CPU like peanut butter and jelly.
Sun has been around for years and a lot longer than Linux has. Just like Microsoft, Sun isn’t going to go away in our lifetimes. Either compete with them on marketing, support, pricing, and techical supperiority or you’ll be the one that is roadkill on the IT highway. If Solaris 10 wasn’t such a threat, it wouldn’t be sucking up all this flame & FUD bandwidth.
Going to be an interesting 12-24 months ahead. Linux has some competition and hey that’s a good thing!
JT
“Sun is too stiff to be open or to use something open like bittorent.”
Dude, just can it. You’re just being a jerk at this point. They’ve got dozens upon dozens of file servers to download it from. That’s hardly being “stiff”.
You can’t be serious…
Since you mentioned FC3 x86_64, I was wondering if you experienced any trouble installing? Did you install it on AMD64 because I tried two different installations disks and twice it froze up on:
“/sbin/loader running”
Nobody else seems to be having this problem and this on brand new hardware.
Solaris 10 very impressive, but limited hardware support a little bit annoying…
http://www.hup.hu/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7254 <- screenshots