“10.4 “Tiger” is the strongest OS X release yet and a worthy competitor to Windows XP. Though it is marketed by Apple as a major release, Tiger is in fact a minor upgrade [ed: really?] with few major new features, more akin to what we’d call a service pack in the Windows world” says WinSuperSite.
Paul Thurrot reviews OS X Tiger
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umm.. dell nor any other OEM were making 64-bit processor desktop s at the time of the g5 release. what is your point?
dude.. again.. it was not a donation, as raptor said, it was a nash equilibrium in economics. MS got the law suit dropped and Apple got a stock investment by MS who then sold the stock a year later of r a very nice profit.
if some one does you wrong and you sue, do you not expect a monetary reward the settlement?
…fanboy who is trying to hang on to his livelyhood: running a Windows fanboy website. I mean come on: speaking about spotlight he says: “which is basically a stored search, similar to the Search Folders that debuted in Outlook 2003 back in October 2003.” being able to search your archived mail is neat, but it is not just like Spotlight. And as Eugenia inferred, his strawman is built on the idea that it’s a “minor update” and not a new release.. the implication being that you are being forced to pay $129 for a Service Pack… but his argument falls apart on the sure depth of his own argument… he spends 3 pages worth of text touting all the new features and then says, well, it’s a minor update. Then again, his website is the Supersite for Windows, not the Supersite for OSX.. and even though I suspect he does all of his actual work on his Macs he’d never admit it.
Obviously Paul Thurrott knows nuts about Operating System like most of Windoze users.
He only knows how to look at the surface. He really use Amiga before? I doubt it. Probably it was just to decorate his desk/home.
Mac Os X Tiger is a major upgrade even without the eye candy stuff. It has Enhanced 64-bit Support (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/64bit/). Windows XP 64 bit version is still just beta! It whole lot of other stuff which is not seen by users. What about Core Image? (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreimage/)
Has Windows comes even to think about such technology in their pseudo OS? Paul Thurrott, looks at the Applications, but failed to look at the Key Technologies in Mac OS X Tiger.
A Windoze user who knows nothing about REAL OPERATING SYSTEM should refrain from reviewing on a UNIX based Operating System. Making a fool out of himself!
umm.. if the person doe snot even have an idea of the kind of software that they need and use on windows, then why are they even worrying about the software on a mac?
most people in conversation would take his question to mean “what do you think you will not be able to use/find?”
and I’ll be lining up on April 29 to snag a freshly pressed copy
most people in conversation would take his question to mean “what do you think you will not be able to use/find?”
Thanks, modman. That is exactly what I ask. I ask what they run on windows that they can’t live without and they have no answer. I thought that was obvious from my post.
I guess the original poster picked an apt name for him/her self:)
Agreed!
This guy is joke. Sorry, but it’s true.
Trying to backhand OSX with a review designed to make people think you are applauding “certain” aspects, but constantly hyping Windows instead? This is a sign of poor character and judgment for Paul Thurrott.
Paul, you know what your real intentions were here.
Stick with marketing for MS.
For one he keeps bringing things up that WILL be in the next version of Windows. Who knows when that will be, since it keeps getting pushed back, but when MS is always ripping features out of their next OS, who knows if these new features will be in the next release.
Second, comparing tiger to a patch is ludacris, what features did SP2 include that a firewall and spybot doesnt fix? Tiger has real upgrades,Core Image, Core Audio, Spotlight, Automator, ect. Plus there have been a lot of improvements made to the system alone, in a review I read that compared Doom 3 on XP to 10.3.8 , 10.3.8 lost, and lost badly, but when Doom 3 was put on the bata version of Tiger it did almost as well as the XP version did, and its not even optimised for Tiger, or panther for that matter.
Third, he says the dock is a flop, but calls it reveard, if its reveared how is it a flop? That means ppl love it.
Fourth, when you buy a Mac, you get so much usable software already inlcuded, the iLife suit has almost everything you need and its free when you buy a Mac! When you buy an XP machine what do you get? IE, a cd burner and some trial sofware, unless you bought a machine that comes with a pack included, but then its done by a third party anyways, not the PC manufaturer or MS.
And Fifth, why not mention all the security problems with any Windows system, and then mention the one’s with OSX, oh yea, thats right, i forgot, there arent fifty million viruses running rampant on OSX.
Windows is the same with every realease, not only do they look the same, but usually have the same problems, and this guy has the nerve to critisize a company for creating a better product?
http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/over200.html
Service Pack, huh?!
“Did you Thank Microsoft for the big $150million dollar donation made to apple in the year 1997. Steve Jobs was the one blewing big chucks when Microsoft donated the money to apple. Do not forget Microsoft likes apple and wants to keep it around.”
Thank MS for what? They should have bought more! HAHAHA
I wonder how naiive you can people. About 99 % of these 200+ features are incorporated into the previous versions of MacOS X, they are UPDATED, it just a clever ad trick of St… Jobs and Co to present them as new features.
A lot of people pours sh.t on Windows, I understand most of the people like to spit into well from which they drink water, but never mind, most of the people are really idiots, it can be statistically approved…
Anyway, you do not understand that MS cannot tighten its security by default because a lot corporative software are not compatible to these feature, and MS is commercial structure, they cannot break old or crappy software that were acquired by companies. Btw, I come across a lot of software that are designed recently, and still do not support Windows security features, and it is so pity that a lot of them are not any unneeded game, but very expensive software (mainly scientific softs).
On the other hand, home user, most of them do not want even to here about any password, most of them are sruck when they see any unknown message appearing on their desktop and it is because really crappy Windows 9x. People running WinXP use it as Win98. These people are accustomed to crashing system and restarts and they like only complain.
“Great computer specialist” accuse sometimes MS that even upon installation Windows generate admin privileged user. Let’s imagine something like Linux installation requiring root password and user account… a shocked user creates both of after several hours of tortures and the he logs on as an user, and wow, he wants to install a new game the system prompts that he is not unauthorized to install it…
His response is that Windows crashes, doesn’t work it’s crap… actually the same…
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People my Windows XP workstation, I am using it now, works without any restart weeks until I install any driver or system update needing reboot (and I think it is very bad MS could release tools allowing restart an appropriate drivers and service without system reboot, but…), anyway I do not remember any case of virus or worm infection of my workstations in home or workplace for the last 6 years… All my friends that are not lazy asses and know how to set Windows have no problems with it :-)))
Now regarding Mac (I use also Mac, because I use several software available in Mac only). I agree that it looks nice, but it is not customisable at all, and I do not care of this eye-candy crap. It is not more stable than Windows XP, and much less stable and less responsive than Win2003 (Mac fans can argue with it, but people calm down, your arguments crashes on facts, sorry guys, emotions are not the best friend in logic :-)).
I do not like multiple mouse clicking to get something buried deeply into Mac interface, but it is my personal oppinion, somebody else can like it…
You are excited with spotlight, this is only option in Mac, in Windows: use msn, google or yahoo desktop search, all of them are great…
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Anyway the bottomline is that Mac fans you like your OS so use it with its good and bad sides, it is your option… and do not stink around with your obscurant ideas that Mac OS is the best
Another advice for that stupid people that do not understand anything in computers and accuse MS in their troubles, first get some knowledge and open your mouth…
“I wonder how naiive you can people. About 99 % of these 200+ features are incorporated into the previous versions of MacOS X, they are UPDATED, it just a clever ad trick of St… Jobs and Co to present them as new features. ”
OK since you know so much about MacOSX are the followin in 10.3?
Automator
Spotlight
Core Image
Core Data
Core Video
Quicktime 7
Samart Card Authentication
Safari RSS
RAW support in Preview
XCode 2
Dashboard
XMan, You can’t give Windows users Facts. They want to BELIEVE in the Mythology. But, they’ll go crying to Microsoft to duplicate every damn thing OS X has in it, instead of just buying the best machine and os on the market.
It’s a loosing battle to debate the religious zealots.
Hey, you Windows wonks, please beg for Bill to include the 3000 Unix utilities that come with OS X. I’ve used them often supporting Windows systems.
On the other hand, you guys could attempt to actually get hands on experience with ( GASP ) Linux and OS X by buying a Mac Mini from: YellowDogLinux.
Also, Windows Service Pack Slowdown issue:
Try doing a google search for the speed tests
and the number of Windows Apps that were broken.
Then look up the first virus for sp2 about 3 weeks after release.
prismX, you made a good point, it took me 2 years to get comfortable with the fact that running os x is not dangerous. I took my Windows practices with me: daily virus scan, turns up nothing all the time, search for virus updates all the time. And be suspious any time I heard the cpu fan kick in, but, I wasn’t doing anything intensive. Turned out to be Virux doing a workout, but never catching anything.
I’m now convinced OS X really is the safest OS on the planet.
I’m sure Windows users, with no mac experience, simply can’t imagine the HUGE Gulf of difference there is running on a Mac.
Get a mac mini, and an Apple 20 inch monitor.
– Then you can use the MIni to VPN into work using Microsofts: Remote Desktop connection software.
– Get the student and teach edition of Microsoft Office, with the last service pack it’s finally stable. This is the first Microsoft software that I Love. Yes, I know, I have higher standards then you.
– If you develop web apps, you need to get DreamWeaver. Respect for cross platform html including C# aspx page generation.
– For Java Apps: I Love JBuilder 2005. But, you can use Eclipse, Sun’s Java Studio Creator, JEdit ( Hugh feature list, including support for Regular Expression searchs ), and IntelliJ’s IDEA IDE. Even, Oracle’s JDeveloper, again one of the Best IDE in a crowded field of excellent software.
– Then pick up Virtual PC if you wish to test your aspx pages.
Next Year:
Pick up a Power Mac, you’ve already got an Apple monitor so you only need the machine and: Enjoy the POWER.
Note: The Mac Mini should run as fast as a P4 3Ghz, because it isn’t necessary to run the spyware/virus scans constantly. You will feel a huge sense of relief getting off the windows platforms. Your personal photos, movies and email will be safer on this platform and you will enjoy the standard software.
If you become a Video fanatic you can upgrade to Apple’s quality software Final Cut Express or Pro for example.
But, that’s just my opinion.
When will you apple zealots get a clue? There is a reason that Apple always runs behind MS and now Linux. There OS always has been and always will be a pile. Granted OS X is a step up from previous versions but it is still horribly slow and bloated. I really can’t fathom how people can stand to use it. Maybe if they would get a clue and bring their prices down to where PC’s are then they would actually have a chance. But no that would make too much sense. They had better stick to selling music because that is all they are good at.
Apple has no sense of the business world. Microsoft has Active Directory manage large pc networks and Red Hat has some decent tools for Linux. What does Apple have?? The answer is nothing. How do I manage 5000 apple pc’s on my network? Its pretty easy with Windows and Linux. Also, why do I have reboot my apple OSX servers daily that are just print servers? Apple doesn’t seem to know. Only good think I can say about apple is that Linux runs very nicely on their hardware.
I can’t believe some of you are marvelling at the addition of Quicktime 7 trial edition and some of the other crap on that list. Even worse is apple taking credit for other people’s work (GCC 4.0 — did apple do ANYTHING to assist the gcc project?!)
Many of the things on their list of ‘new’ features are embarassing shortcomings of osx; particularly the list of supported filetypes and features in their proprietary software that almost all other programs already have.
$140 is outrageous for the amount of actual changes, but hey, whatever, if apple can get half of you moronic fanboys to pay that much for this upgrade ($40 would be far more reasonable in my mind), good for them. I don’t hate apple, but I hate its followers.
Thurrot, Windows fan for so many years, wants us to believe that in so many years in which he didn’t wrote a single line on his site about Mac, he makes his big confession with a review which concludes that Tiger is like a service pack in the windows world. Come on. We all know that except service pack 2 all that we get in a service pack is bug fixing. And you can’t compare *nix core with Windows, not in a million years. Windows will never be good, never, not now, not in 100 years. Because it must push customers to upgrade as fast and as many as they can. So Thurrot have the decency and sharap. Ohhh my God what can people do for money …
gosh I wish morons could not learn to type.
where in there are they taking credit like they created GCC? it is a frigen feature of the OS moron. so I guess mandrake should not tell developers about Python and perl and php and apache and gcc when they release an OS huh.
BTW.. apple has developers on GCC and a lot of the advancements in the obj-c code have come from them.
what file types are you speaking of?
ohh.. ogg and flac are not on there.. yeah.. so bad.
I didn’t even bother to read P.T. article. Bloke is a wanker.
As many have pointed out.
Thurott fails to mention any technical advances, coreaudio, corevideo, dashboard being a platform, h.264, etc.
He’s really not a techie. A guy who looks at features nothing more.
And is he a MS shill. Of course. He’s gets tours of the lab in Redmond for a reason.
Whatever. He doesn’t get it. EXCEPT for the fact that bashing Apple brings hits. And hits brings money.
Yup, he is that petty and greedy.
What I can’t believe is he doesn’t just get ignored.
“gosh I wish morons could not learn to type.”
Good argument. I would argue the same thing. Care to back it up with something better than nothing? I would love to see how you manage a network of 5000 macs easily. Maybe Apple hasn’t gotten that far because nobody in their right mind would have that many macs.
hooooon paul can say these kind of words about mac os x because the windows still kids of vs mac os, can u amagin a os have some features
like no virus no more errors no pain to installation n gui u love that,
that called mac os x TIGER thats all.
i dont know about anyone elce but i still dont know why the service pack argument is still going around.I meen windows xp service pack 2 probly has like 300 new features. unfortunaly for everyone theas are nothing more then major fixes to microsofts still crummy os. thats why thay call them service packs. mac os x on the other hand has far less problems tharfor thay are spending money to add to an allready great os. Give creadit whare creadit is due apple is charging money for there major os updates because it infact costs money to come up with all these new feathers. if you want an example of what updates you have to pay for in xp look no ferther then plus for win xp. o and by the way i am a pc user who has never owened a mac in his life.