Not too long ago Sun Microsystems proudly sold Linux on its x86 line systems, but Wednesdays press release has settled any qualms about whether this Linux-loving era has come to an end.
Sun Suffers Self-Imposed Linux Lobotomy
2005-07-22 6:33 pmAnonymous
Agreed. Now that Solaris is free as in libre, we can finally bury Linux and use Solaris (with some of the GNU userland, of course)
2005-07-22 7:08 pmAnonymous
This sounds a lot like a troll, but I’ll reply anyway. Unfortunately
OpenSolaris just isn’t there yet. The only freely available
distrubution (http://schillix.berlios.de/) is just a tiny shell of an
OS, with no X server or desktop, or even package system. It doesn’t
seem to have had any work done on it at all since the 0.1 release a
Basically, OpenSolaris is a marketing gimmick. Unless and until it
develops an active user community and/or Sun releases a more complete
system, it’s still vapor. Maybe something will come of it, and maybe
not. But someone who reads press releases and thinks that OpenSolaris
is an active competitor to, say, Fedora or Debian is going to be
2005-07-23 10:57 amMcBofh
You complain that Schillix “doesn’t seem to have had any work done on it at all since the 0.1 release”. Perhaps if you looked at the fora on http://www.opensolaris.org you would see why Joerg hasn’t bothered to update the webpage – he’s been very busy getting the 0.2 release ready.
Oh, and I believe he has one of those “day job” thingies too.
You also claim that http://www.opensolaris.org is a “marketing gimmick…it’s still vapor” and why is that?
What parts of the codebase did you want Sun to drop onto the world without doing legal due diligence on first?
Did you not like the concept that Sun could actually deliver on a promise it made? And incidentally, there is already a thriving and active user community for OpenSolaris. From my observation they are more concerned with actually getting on with their day jobs and crawling over the OpenSolaris source code rather than making a huge marketing fuss about stuff.
[sarcasm]Yeah, that’s why Solaris is giving Ciena four times more performance than their older systems.[sarcasm]
One has to wonder what OS they were running on the older systems.
>Kind of petty however a wise choice. X86 Solaris is
>far and way better then linux as far as design and
>stabilty. They should have never promoted linux in
>hte first place.
Load of crap. Linux is faster than Solaris and its design is, in the hands of a real system administrator with a clue, much better. It’s far more featureful, too.
On the other hand, Solaris has a few features that don’t have a 100% analague in Linux too, such as Dtrace.
But one doesn’t outweigh the other much in terms of performance, scalability or (these days) price.
Linux, however, has many more features, more distributions to choose from, simpler administration in general, runs on more architectures and is a joy to work with in comparison to Solaris for most of us.
And BTW, Solaris 10 *IS* much faster than any Solaris that came before it. Which means that we had more than 10 years of bog-slow Solaris which Sun made all sorts of PR-pologies for.
I wouldn’t exactly say they will “suffer” from dropping Linux. Seems like a good move to me considering their recent push of Solaris x86.
In any case, why should they promote Linux when they have OpenSolaris. They’ll probably still sell linux boxes if customers want it, but there’s no reason to be cheerleading Linux.
What’s a quam?
A Quam == A Question == A Query
2005-07-22 7:29 pmAnonymous
The noun qualm has 2 senses (first 1 from tagged texts)
1. (1) scruple, qualm, misgiving — (uneasiness about the fitness of an action)
2. queasiness, squeamishness, qualm — (a mild state of nausea)
This is a really big mistake for SUN. Linux is here, and it is now. Linux has already been proven as a server O.S.. SUN is betting the farm on Solaris, but what they don’t see is that the time of Solaris is over. Linux is the future, and is looks like SUN won’t be there.
“SUN is betting the farm on Solaris, but what they don’t see is that the time of Solaris is over. Linux is the future, and is looks like SUN won’t be there.”
Actually, for many people, Linux is a passing fad. It’s development model just doesn’t fit the needs of many businesses or even individual users, who prefer some real stability over time with respect to configurations. Solaris delivers to those businesses 100%. I switched from Linux back to Solaris a couple years ago, and with Solaris 10 since February I couldn’t be happier.
Why should I dick around with keeping my fingers crossed with the Linux distro du jour, when Solaris installs and basically just works. I can’t stand that Linux distro fashion changes more frequently than the wind. This tremendous volatility shows that purist FOSS models just become too political and territorial to satisfy many day-to-day users.
Quite honestly, if I weren’t a long time Solaris user, I’d probably be using OS X about now. I’ve spent way too much time dealing with Linux this-n-that troubleshooting. Too many weekends wasted. I just can’t do that anymore.
2005-07-23 1:53 amrm6990
Actually, for many people, Linux is a passing fad. It’s development model just doesn’t fit the needs of many businesses or even individual users, who prefer some real stability over time with respect to configurations.
Yeah, that damn Red Hat only offers 7 years support and updates. You may as well be reinstalling the system every weekend. [/sarcasm]
“Actually, for many people, Linux is a passing fad. It’s development model just doesn’t fit the needs of many businesses or even individual users, who prefer some real stability over time with respect to configurations.”
You know there ARE Enterprise Linux distributions that fit these needs.
“We are running Linux on the majority of our V20z’s, however, in our Build environment, we also have several V20z’s running Windows XP, and one v20z running Solaris,” Steven Rennick, lead network systems engineer at Ciena, told El Reg.
That’s ONE Solaris.
Tell me again how Solaris beats Linux all hollow, Sun fanboys.
It’s so OVER for Sun and Solaris, it isn’t funny. Within five years, Sun will be the new SCO, suing Linus for having destroyed their business model.
If the morons had done what I talked about five years ago and donated everything that made Solaris enterprise-class to the Linux community, and then switched to Linux, they would now be able to compete with other Linux companies like Red Hat. The same with HP and HP/UX, and IBM and AIX.
You want to compete with Windows? Dump your proprietary OS crap – no matter how good it is, donate it to the Linux community like SGI did with their file system, and back Linux all the way. Compete amongst yourselves with support, proprietary system management tools, or whatever. Otherwise, Billy Boy will eat your lunch with lower TCO (while Linux eats his for the same reason.)
But, NOOOOOO! We all have to have NIH syndrome genetically engineered into every cell in our bodies in order to be corporate CEOs. McNealy, get your head out of your butt.
Fine. Go out of business. See if Linux users – who will include every business in ten years – care. I’ve read so MANY stories about Sun or HP OS/servers being replaced by Linux/Intel commodity servers and the company involved getting TWO TO TEN TIMES MORE PERFORMANCE for one-tenth the cost, that it’s OBVIOUS to anybody with a brain that Sun, HP and IBM (server OS-wise, that is) are doomed. Only IBM has acknowledged that, saying years ago that Linux was the logical successor to AIX.
2005-07-23 1:53 amAnonymous
Oh, so because the lead systems engineer at Ciena only has 1 Sun box running Solaris and and other Sun boxes are running other OS’s that implies Sun is going out of business.
Wow, some may wonder what an obvious master of business forecasting and investing is wasting his time on OSNEWS.
> You want to compete with Windows? Dump your proprietary OS crap – no matter how good it is, donate it to the Linux community like SGI did with their file system, and back Linux all the way.
Ha, ha. Oh gee, this strategy surely worked marvels for SGI. NOT! SGI is on the brink of bankruptcy if you didn’t know — they’re already in the penny stock territory and have defaulted on some loans lately. SGI’s drive for commodizing of their technology made them a sock puppet of Intel lacking *any* differentiation from competition. If they stayed with their core competencies and continued developing IRIX and MIPS, they should have done a lot better. SGI lost it all to Sun and IBM and their Linux/Windows strategy is to blame. I say Sun should stay with Solaris all the way and not be distracted on the latest fads.
2005-07-23 7:36 amrenox
Well in one way you could that SGI didnot commodize enough!
You know that NVidia has been made by ex-SGIers, there is no reason why SGI couldn’t have been the next NVidia: they had all the know-how to design good videocards for PCs.
But they preferred to stay in their niche instead..
> Only IBM has acknowledged that, saying years ago that Linux was the logical successor to AIX.
IBM is just *saying* that. If you worked at an IBM shop and had to talk to their sales people, you would have known better. Linux for IBM is just a compfortable foot in the door and a pretty PR strategy, when it comes to business it is always AIX on pSeries that is really being pushed (can’t blame them — AIX on POWER is a much better technology than Linux). I don’t think AIX will *ever* be replaced with Linux. In fact it looks more like IBM is finally coming to its senses in respect to AIX, just a few years ago AIX looked more like dead meat than it is know.
2005-07-23 6:05 amkaiwai
That, and the fact that IBM don’t want to be beholden to Red Hat for Linux support and personally, its time from the Linux fanboys to cut the crap; Linux for all intensive purposes is Red Hat, and Red Hat is linux – yes, there is Novell, but they’ll always be playing second fiddle to Red Hat.
Who IBM and SUN compete against are Red Hat/Dell – thats basically the line up boys – You have SUN/Solaris in one corner, IBM/AIX in another, HP/Windows in another with the remaining corner being Dell/Red Hat – don’t be surprised that if in a couple of years you see Dell buying out Red Hat and making it part of their server stratergey – it fits quite nicely with their model – cheap crap, zero R&D sold at incredibly low prices.
As for SUN and IBM – they’ve been around for a while, both companies have seen fads come and go, then sometimes rise back again. IBM sees, like you said, linux as the training wheels for their ‘big boys’ UNIX – something fanboys forget, and operating system is more than just an kernel, a few libraries and some applications – there is an whole ecosystem that provides everyone one needs in an enterprise environment.
SUN, same thing; Linux is merely a low cost piece of software when they embraced it, OpenSolaris will get the same low cost development synergies as Linux soon, so there will be no longer any reason for SUN to embrace the linux part of the stack – their concern will be pushing forward GNOME and StarOffice development, which also includes a StarOffice based PIM and collaboration application.
Quote: “Did you not like the concept that Sun could actually deliver on a promise it made?”
What promise? Opensolaris is as useless as tits on a bull at the moment. If that’s the best that a BIG company like Sun can do, man, they’re in real trouble.
It’s good to see osnews.com is still peddling anti Linux news. Must be a quiet day, and the staff must be in need of starting some good flamewars.
Tell me guys, how much does Sun and Microsoft pay you in advertising fees to be anti Linux?
If SUN can make sure that Solaris x86 can to run all Linux software, then they can sell JDS on Solaris. If all the programs, packages, etc. would be available, from customers point of view, it would be the same thing.
But, if customers start to complain that with Linux they
could use this or that, and they can’t do it with Solaris, then SUN is in trouble.
You know how well you can trust fair-weather friends, right? You always wonder when they’ll change their minds again and screw you for trusting them.
But I thought Linux sucked for stuff like this and Solaris would have been the prefered platform? Oh the irony. Of late, SUN’s stand doesn’t matter anymore. We all know they can’t stand the fact that Linux is becoming the defacto new face of Unix, if it isn’t already.
They hate on Red Hat. Everyone else is fine with them. Chances are the “standard linux operating system” being used is Red Hat. Sun is fine with Linux, especially on the desktop and possibly on the workstation as well. The problem for Sun is Linux on the server, which is why Sun has such distaste for Red Hat in particular.
Kind of petty however a wise choice. X86 Solaris is far and way better then linux as far as design and stabilty. They should have never promoted linux in hte first place.