“The rev formerly known as Pinot has been renamed Panther, sources reported, hinting that the faux-fur motif of the Jaguar release will continue when Panther ships in early 2003. Sources this month told eWEEK that the Panther release will mark another step away from MacOS 9, the “classic” MacOS that Apple continues to upgrade for compatibility with older applications. They said Apple is planning to “block” next-generation Macs preloaded with Panther from booting into MacOS 9 although the company will continue to support applications running within MacOSX’s Classic environment.” The report can be found at eWeek. In other Mac news, Microsoft is readying MSN for OSX.
Next MacOSX Upgrade: Panther
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OK folks, here’s how it’s played:
1) Gather a few friends together in front of the monitor, with your web browser tuned to this thread in OSNews.
2) For every comment to the extent of one of the ones below, take a swig of the potent alcoholic beverage of your choice.
3) The last person to pass out wins.
Here are the comments you should watch for:
“Macs are underperforming and overpriced”
“I love my Mac, it does everything I need it to do… OS X 10.1 already screams on my 233MHz G3, I can’t wait to see what 10.2 will be like, it must be truly faster than light? What’s this BeOS everyone keeps talking about, I’ve never heard of it.”
“I can build a dual 2GHz Athlon system for half the price of the bottom end Power Mac, why would anyone buy a Mac, they must be idiots.”
“Apple should discontinue the iPod, because such fluff products are not in their core competency.”
“The G4 IS a supercomputer! Show me an x86 CPU that can do 15 gigaflops!”
“The G4 is by far the slowest modern CPU, as evidenced by recent SPEC scores. Therefore, feel free to use Macs, but you’re an idiot if you do.”
“Apple is dying, they must convert to x86 immediately or they will die.”
“An x86 Mac would be suicide, for reason A, reason B, reason C, reason D, reason E, reason F, and reason G.”
“Apple still needs to switch to x86, because if they don’t, they will die.”
“Why is there no upgrade price for Jaguar? Apple is pissing me off!”
“Stop whining, Jaguar is a major upgrade!”
“This new OS sounds like it will be great, I can’t wait until it gets ported to x86!”
“If Apple would only port OS X to x86, their market share would quadruple overnight.”
“OS X sucks, it’s unusably slow on my 933MHz G4 with 512MB RAM.”
“OS X is like a ROCKET SHIP on my 933MHz G4 with 512MB RAM! It’s out-of-this-world fast!”
If you somehow manage to make it to the end of this thread without passing out, you should call a poison control center immediately. OS News will not be held liable for any cases of alcohol poisoning brought on by participating in this game.
Sorry, I forgot one:
A sarcastic joke about window resizing.
though itll be hard to read torwards the end.
One of these lists could easily be made every Microsoft or Linux related article on OSNews as well…
Great, funny stuff, and continue to rejoice that OSNews hasn’t become Slashdot…
That is funny… 🙂 Also very true!
Is this the final incarnation of 10.x? I seem to remember when os x came out, Apple saying something about going through four cycles before they reached their final product.
Does the first release count as one of those? Is “Panther” the polished OS X that we were promised?
I think you just killed off this particular thread before it could even get started alexd – and I don’t think that is necessarily a bad thing…
That post really put a smile on my face. Thanks.
Alexd, yes, good laugh. Thanks.
Now, I hope this was the last time you post this, as you already did a few days back.
It’s like politics , endless round abouts with no one listening and no one’s mind changed.
Hm. Alexd forgot my usual comment: who cares about this x86 at all – hack and extension of 4-bit toster controller
I may be buying a PowerMac in the next couple of months, returning to a MacOS after many years. So, I have very little first-hand experience with MacOS X.
From what I’ve read, Jaguar introduced a bunch of new features and improved the OS performance.
What do you expect to see in Panther? What do you want? What does Panther need relative to Jaguar? What would make Panther a major upgrade?
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Sure Alex just effectively shut down the thread but its threads like that generate to AD impressions that pay for this site to run. I think we should make pointless comments anyway! Support OSNews!
What do you expect to see in Panther? What do you want? What does Panther need relative to Jaguar? What would make Panther a major upgrade?
I’ll buy Panther if they just a good quality porn search to Sherlock.
🙂
-Jason
One facet I know they are working on is the core audio/midi functiions.
To be able to plug in a firewire audio device (with lots a channels), have it be recognised and work seamlessly with a usb midi device and software synths and sequencers ( Logic/Apple anyone?) is a real treat. 10.2 has addressed this nicely and I think 10.3 will refine it even more ( I know the core audio and midi guys are still working their buts off)
“Ican build a dual 2GHz Athlon system for half the price of the bottom end Power Mac, why would anyone buy a Mac, they must be idiots.”
Yes Sir ! (they must be).
And what a Panther it will be, oh boy.
Is it true that you can’t change to the classic GUI of Mac OS 9 since Mac OS X ?
That last post is the classic example.
Very good chico!
alexd gets it.
Can something less than 2 years old be called “classic?” WTF came up with that stupid term?
I think OS X is cool, and I love watching the development and the major changes happening so quickly. I can’t wait to see Panther.
I’m still sober 🙁 Get with the program already.
They’re referring to the OS X “Classic Environment” that lets you run OS 9 apps within OS X. My understanding is that there are many types of apps (such as Photoshop plugins) that only work properly in OS 9 or have not been ported to X yet.
From what I’ve seen of the Classic Environment on my fiance’s B&W G3, it’s a pain, albeit a necessary one if you depend upon the older apps. You can either have it load only when you need it (a minute or so process) or load it always at boot time and keep your system running slow all the time.
Is it true that you can’t change to the classic GUI of Mac OS 9
Can you read ?
OS 9 had a classic GUI and it changed in OS X (or is it just me ?).
Can you use OS 9 GUI if you are running OS X ?
That just a question; no need to get upset because of it.
>>The OSNews Mac thread drinking game<<
he he 🙂
I guess this post is for me.
“Can you read ?”
No.
“OS 9 had a classic GUI and it changed in OS X (or is it just me ?). ”
‘classic’ as described in a previous post has a meaning for OS X that means you can run OS 9 in OS X. And no the GUI is the same.
“That just a question; no need to get upset because of it.”
Who’s upset? You?
You played the mac drinking game well by answering the satirical post about dual athlons seriously calling mac users idiots.
I raised my glass.
I guess this post is for me.
No it wasn’t.
We are just having fun here on an old OSNews subject (Mac hardware-OperatingSystem, etcetera).
Take it easy; and don’t forget to drink your portion.
In the end I will buy an Emac 800Mhz too 🙂 (don’t tell anybody).
In the end I will buy an Emac 800Mhz too 🙂 (don’t tell anybody).
Too late, the cat is out of the bag 🙂
Apple still hasn’t had the huge migration (20% is ok but not great) that they expected. This is probably mostly because classic is crap and most people still need to run a few legacy apps. What I’ve heard is that Panther will focus a great deal on inproving classic so that there is no real reason for anybody (damn, you’d think quark would be here by now if not the xtensions) not to switch to OS X. Then apple will hopefully have “options” as jobs said.
Bah them mac’s are crappy, everyone should use MIPS processors, much cheaper and 1000x faster. And they should change the ram, back to the 40-old pin stuff. RAM was RAM back then, not this pancy stuff you get now-a-days.
And that fancy-pants GUI should be scrapped, real men need no more than text.
Bah…
There thats worth at lest a double-vokda, teqcial and redbull..
Hmmmm TVR.
If I under stand this correctly, Apple wants me to pay $129 for jaguar now, then upgrade to panther next year?
If I under stand this correctly, Apple wants me to pay $129 for jaguar now, then upgrade to panther next year?
http://www.redhat.com/software/linux/
Apple’s pricing upgrades aren’t all that much out-of-line with the major Linux distros, from what I can tell. Yeah, Debian’s free (both beer and speech), but dl’ing it over a 56k link is crazy. I run it on my notebook because I can mooch bandwidth at work. How much would you have spent if you bought RH7, 7.1, 7.2, and 7.3? IIRC, CompUSA was selling RH7.3 for around $65. That said, I didn’t buy a copy of 7.3 for my home machines, and I may not buy a copy of Jaguar (although I’m in the $29 upgrade class, I think). I’ll buy limbo whenever it comes out, and may wait for Panther on my Mac.
The big thing for me is that it’s still possible to get security updates for a reasonable amount of time (even if they’re not from RH servers, in RH’s case).
this evening on an old (3years) g4 500, 16 MB rage 128, and it is for me a very good upgrade.
I notice a speed improvement in all the lagging areas (finder,scrolling,resize,typing,etc.).
multi threaded finder,
improved font smoothing options,
overall improvement in speed (for example, opening the contents -for scrolling- from a disk alias in the dock seems 3 times faster),
The list view is finally stable.
I haven’t done any real work yet with apps, rendering , AE, fotoshop, etc.But the initial impressions are very positive.
Like a good car tune up, you can feel the difference.
If they keep up the improvement momentum, the next upgrade should be nice indeed.
If I under stand this correctly, Apple wants me to pay $129 for jaguar now, then upgrade to panther next year?
Of course silly?
🙂
Hey anybody in the Netherlands want to throw our own Jaguar release party? I just bought my copy today (€260… inclusive of btw), but hey it was better than trying to get somebody back home to ship it from the US and have to wait on snail mail!
Is it true that you can’t change to the classic GUI of Mac OS 9 since Mac OS X ?
They can. But notice that the buttons are larger in Aqua, same with the text etc. Forcing that on a Classic app would cause a lot of problem. The UI of Classic apps would be almost destroyed. I support keeping it the way it was built to look like.
IFightMIBs: […]and I may not buy a copy of Jaguar (although I’m in the $29 upgrade class, I think). I’ll buy limbo whenever it comes out, and may wait for Panther on my Mac.
I think you should upgrade to Jaguar if it cost you $20. I can’t wait to buy Limbo/Null too, I have already saved up. The first person I wanna convert is my mother. Mwuhahahaha.
CattBeMac: Hey anybody in the Netherlands want to throw our own Jaguar release party?
You are from Netherlands? I never knew that. You can smoke dope legally?
Oh, CattBeMac, I might be getting a PowerMac or an iMac as a present… all I’m getting is hints :-p. Maybe I would get a puppy, who knows? Don’t mind getting a Mac as long I don’t pay for it :-p
>>You are from Netherlands? I never knew that. You can smoke dope legally?<<
Yes, dope is legal here (though slightly under Gov’t control so-to-speak)
>>Oh, CattBeMac, I might be getting a PowerMac or an iMac as a present… all I’m getting is hints :-p. Maybe I would get a puppy, who knows? Don’t mind getting a Mac as long I don’t pay for it :-p<<
Well that will be good, I guess you being a Linux user (I’m assuming) as well you could dual-boot with YDL. I plan to do the same, when I get off my arse and install the darn thing 🙂
When this is released, would it be released at 10:30pm, like 10.2 on 10:20pm?
CattBeMac: Well that will be good, I guess you being a Linux user (I’m assuming) as well you could dual-boot with YDL. I plan to do the same, when I get off my arse and install the darn thing 🙂
Not YDL, I’m thinking Gentoo. Maybe YDL right next when Gentoo with its bleeding egde software gets too painful… Maybe I would use OS 9 a lot (I prefer it to OS X, sorry), just get a lot of memory and pick really stable software :-p.
So,macs will be a UNIX machine…they will not boot os 9.
You could say that, though UNIX machines have always been related to sheer difficulty, really high end hardware, and extremely stable hardware…. something I can’t say about Macs. Of course, Macs and UNIX machines share one thing in common – being expensive.
>>You could say that, though UNIX machines have always been related to sheer difficulty, really high end hardware, and extremely stable hardware…. something I can’t say about Macs. Of course, Macs and UNIX machines share one thing in common – being expensive.<<
Well it depends on how you look at it… Macs have always been known to be stable due to total integration of hardware and software, and I have seen that from experience. Something I have seen with Sun Microsystems solutions as well (if I didn’t a own a Mac, I’d own a Sun… well if I could afford one that is). Whereas PCs are usually not as stable due to lack of integration because of the so many flavors out there, which has been an uphill battle for people like Microsoft to tackle. Though people say XP is stable, for some reason I am still able to crash it… I might be jinxed 🙂
Whereas PCs are usually not as stable due to lack of integration because of the so many flavors out there, which has been an uphill battle for people like Microsoft to tackle.
I noticed. Most people go and buy from those small shops. They buy the cheapest solutions etc. And then they complain if something goes wrong. Who’s fault is it? The consumers. If you want really stable hardware where the hardware is sure to work with the software, get a IBM, or a Dell (though stay away from their laptops), or a Sony.
Besides, from all the Mac magazines, letters asking for help (the help corner), most, if not all, of the problems are hardware related. :-P. If you buy brandless parts just to save a few bucks, don’t blame the PC in general.
>>I noticed. Most people go and buy from those small shops. They buy the cheapest solutions etc. And then they complain if something goes wrong. Who’s fault is it? The consumers. If you want really stable hardware where the hardware is sure to work with the software, get a IBM, or a Dell (though stay away from their laptops), or a Sony.<<
I can agree there! I have the utmost respect for IBM and their efforts.
peecees such
suck…
I can agree there! I have the utmost respect for IBM and their efforts.
Why is this so rare: you and me agreeing…..
>>Why is this so rare: you and me agreeing…..<<
We have on other occasions… I guess it’s because we sit on the fence that separates the Mac and PC herd 🙂