Home > SCO > SCO May Expand Linux Case Soon SCO May Expand Linux Case Soon Submitted by Greg Afinogenov 2003-06-14 SCO 69 Comments The SCO Group soon may open another front in its legal battle against Linux by filing suit against a major hardware manufacturer in North America, a company executive said. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 69 Comments 2003-06-14 4:45 am …nVidia? It’s a “major hardware manufacturer” that is supporting Linux… Okay, ATI is also supporting Linux, but not as much as nVidia. 2003-06-14 4:46 am you know what…I think the CEOs are just trying to inflate the price of the stock just so they can sell a ton of it and make some money on it before they declair banckrupcy. it worked for other Corps. 2003-06-14 4:52 am ATI supports OSS much more than nVidia. 2003-06-14 4:56 am Maybe, but the nVidia drivers for Linux are much more mature AFAIK. They also support it since 2001. That’s why I suspect that they might be the target. 2003-06-14 5:03 am It isn’t. They mean MAJOR hardware manufacturer–read the article. Compared to HP, Nvidia is small change. They’re aiming high. It might be Dell or something of the kind. 2003-06-14 5:06 am Dell or Walmart are my picks 2003-06-14 5:12 am Well, Dell is more a reseller than an hardware manufacturer to me… You might be right though, as Dell have more money than nVidia. I don’t think it’s Wal-Mart. Lindows have a licence agreement with SCO if I remember. 2003-06-14 5:15 am I’m sorry if this is “off topic” or if I’m not “31337” or if I didn’t “RTFM” but today a terrible tragedy occurred. My husband committed suicide. And one of the reasons was he couldn’t find acceptance, in real life or online forums. In fact, he left a note hinting that these “OSOpinion” forums here may have pushed him over the edge. He submitted many postings here. Most replies were very disrespectful. Sometimes his postings were even deleted (“moderated”). It is terrible that an online community could push a man over the edge. I ask you all to think back on the kind of words you used when posting here. In memory of Jason Fletcher, 1970-2003. May Fletcher 2003-06-14 5:17 am I’ve read a couple of articles (can’t remember where) that this stems from work they did to port a Unix (don’t remember the name of it) on Itanium. Of course Intel had something to do with this so I bet its Intel. 2003-06-14 5:23 am I wouldn’t worry about it. Now how’s that whole friday thing with IBM going? 2003-06-14 5:28 am Seriously, who isn’t SCO sueing? I can’t name many companies that haven’t been mentioned during this crap. SCO needs to die, and die painfully, I hope everyone involved in the creation of SCOsource comes out of all this with negative bank accounts. Its truely getting rediculous, I don’t see how anyone can buy a product from them, THEY might be next ones getting sued. What I would love to see however, is SCOsource sueing the developers of SCO OpenServer for copyright infringments in SCO OpenUnix… THAT would be funny, I think that would officially put the iceing on the cake so to speak 8) 2003-06-14 5:38 am I can’t wait till these guys get smacked down hard and fast by IBM, Novell and others. 2003-06-14 5:54 am Assuming the above post is in fact true, I think that you also need mental help because: A) You let your husband spiral down into a deep depression resulting in suicide. B) You should be mourning, and taking care of arrangements, rather than coming here and blaming us. If the above post is a troll, you also need mental help. Suicide is nothing to make fun of. Also, get a social life for your Friday night there up in Canada. 2003-06-14 6:04 am “Do You Ever Wonder…” …if the SCO executives ever have trouble with their trousers catching fire as they walk down the halls? I’d think they would. You see, if they wear suit pants, they’re most likely wool or a wool/silk blend. This is not very flammable (which is why airlines have their seats upholstered in wool). However, with all the sparks that fly about incessantly as they walk, one would think that at some point their pants would go up in flames. The sparks, naturally, come from their massive, clanging, steel b…. 2003-06-14 6:07 am I believe you….. but my tommy gun don’t ! Seriously, trolls like you don’t deserve the wasted energy of my typing this response. 2003-06-14 6:18 am ok.. so maybe im an idiot..but what the flaming florp does hardware have to do with code?? I mean.. Are they all just flaming mental..or is this altogether a M$ cobbled together farce… Please please please..someone .. there has to be a money trail. P.s. Chis sontag.. daryl(and your other brother daryl)Macbribe(?).. Compared to you guys ..lawyers are saints.. its a pity they have to put up with scum like you to make a living. 2003-06-14 6:24 am Sontag says that removing the IP code will be difficult because of “derivative works”….how can a derivative work be based on kernel code? Something’s rotten in Denmark. 2003-06-14 6:28 am The facts, as opposed to inflammatory comments by SCO personnel, are not overly alarming. 1. All of SCO’s actions up until now have been saying things that have not been proven. 2. If you look very carefully, SCO has not actually said very much specific. 3. SCO has not said what they think the result of what little they have said will be (except their talk in relation to IBM). 4. SCO has not provided enough information for any one (other than IBM) to form a belief as to whether SCO has any claim at all. IBM has made their position clear — no deal with SCO. Also, a question: if the code is in Linux, everyone has already seen it. So, if SCO has a valid case, they would not be harmed by pointing out what code was allegedly copied. So why haven’t they done so? And I don’t even use Linux. 2003-06-14 6:32 am http://www.poetsforthewar.org/poems/fletcher.shtml quoting from the page: “Jason Fletcher is a computer programmer who took every interesting class he could manage while in college. Happily, that also led to a philosophy degree and an abiding interest in argumentation and language. He writes poetry and essays largely out of irritation with people who can’t think and can’t write and still manage to gain attention for it. It is indeed a topsy-turvy world. ” Maybe he didnt know how to explain himself to that people.. : Why was it so frustrating to him? Like, after all just look at bush, it’s one of the facts of life! My respects to this dead poet-programmer, may he find people that can think in the next world! 2003-06-14 6:36 am All the plastic people Are strutting on parade. Now they smile, now they chant, Now they pitch their flags and Proudly pin their ribbons. All the plastic people Pour their people slogans Into their plastic ears And sit back and revel In the tinny echoes. All the plastic people Are droll and mock on cue. Behind their words they say The same thing, “Look at me!” “Look at me! Look at me!” —- Hey that’s all you can see on TV after all 2003-06-14 6:43 am What is this world coming to? 2003-06-14 6:43 am http://www.poetsforthewar.org/poems/fletch01.shtml I like the comment on top (note the hostname for the site) “”Sands of Babylon” was written as a direct response to the Poets Against the War movement; Mr. Fletcher read their work and thought it was lousy. Determined to do better, he wrote this poem. You be the judge.” Ok, sorry for all the offtopic comments, wont happen again! just wanted to give a cynical twist to the “people suicides because of reading OSNews thing. Also, please dont moderate down this comment or else I will kill myself, serious! It’s because of this site, it has to be it! dont make me do it!!!! 2003-06-14 6:48 am sorry to post again.. but.. hmm.. how about transmeta as the target???.. 2003-06-14 7:00 am I doubt. They are targetting a major hardware manufacturer… 2003-06-14 7:11 am For the death of Jason Fletcher! He couldnt live with the pressure of the possibility that his very own OS is illegal.. so he decided to end the pain and killed himself Way to go SCO! 2003-06-14 7:18 am I think it’s proably for the best to let the staff of OSNews handle this issue. 2003-06-14 7:23 am Ok, you had yours 15 seconds (thats right; time is so short these days) of fame. Getting back to subject, I would like to know if there is some form of punishment for spreading FUD. It should be severe (like send them to jail and seize all their money and goods). 2003-06-14 7:23 am “If it were a few lines of code, I’d give it to you,” he said. SCO wasn’t aware of any potential infringement until CEO Darl McBride began to ask engineers to investigate how Linux could have grown so quickly. It is simple stupid, there are more people programming for linux than for SCO. Also it is roughly 10, isn’t that enough for a product to mature. When shared knowledge increases, development time will decrease for advanced features because eventually there are more knowledgable people in the community. Doh, how hard was that to think. Adaptation from “Back to the Future” = “Hello McBride, hellooo” knocking on his head. If SCO is proven wrong I hope many companies countersue them out of existence. 2003-06-14 7:28 am “If it were a few lines of code, I’d give it to you,” he said. SCO wasn’t aware of any potential infringement until CEO Darl McBride began to ask engineers to investigate how Linux could have grown so quickly. It is simple stupid, there are more people programming for linux than for SCO. Also it is roughly 10, isn’t that enough for a product to mature. When shared knowledge increases, development time will decrease for advanced features because eventually there are more knowledgable people in the community. Doh, how hard was that to think. Adaptation from “Back to the Future” = “Hello McBride, hellooo” knocking on his head. If SCO is proven wrong I hope many companies countersue them out of existence. 2003-06-14 7:31 am If SCO is proven wrong I hope many companies countersue them out of existence. One could only hope. 2003-06-14 7:36 am Anyone else notice she called this the OSOpinion forum? Its my understanding that that’s another place. You’re blaming the wrong website, dear. 2003-06-14 7:48 am Hmmm…perhaps that means SCO is an acronym. Could it mean: Sucks Cunt Operatingsystems? Uh oh…now that I posted something nasty about SCO, I will probably get sued. 2003-06-14 7:56 am Sucks Cunt Operations… 2003-06-14 8:05 am Yeah…I thought of that one but decided to go with something that was more closely related to the OS that they claim is being stolen from them. 2003-06-14 8:38 am But that’s what we get for staying up so late. Yes I know it might be early wherever you are. Don’t deny it ! You’ve been up all night… time to sleep (actually watch Farscape, then sleep) 2003-06-14 8:39 am The hardware company is Apple. 2003-06-14 9:07 am That’s it SCO, keep on suing them Penguin people! I must say I sort of hope they win so we can put an end to GPL and the weird penguin and move on in life to BSD which is not full of copyrighted code, or bloat for that matter 2003-06-14 9:18 am Project Trillian killed project Monterey. HP founded project Trillian with support from Intel. The SCO case against IBM formely relates to its contracts with IBM for project Monterey A lot of the enterprise level stuff in the kernel came out of project Trillian. One of the companies supporting project Trilian as a full member was Caldera. Well SCO (formerly Caldera) can hardly sue itself. This is yet another move to inflate its stock price, as one observer put it – we won’t see a case in court of SCO versus IBM but more likely the SEC and the DOJ versus SCO (If Daryl McBride sells any of his stock and stock options he could be in deep legal trouble) 2003-06-14 9:18 am The reporter doesn’t talk about the injunction sent to SCO in Germany and how they had to shut down their german website (with possible fines) because they couldn’t substantiate their allegations. Also, he hasn’t obviously read the “OSI Position Paper on the SCO-vs.-IBM Complaint” by Eric Raymond, nor is there any mention of the fact that most people SCO asked to act as third party experts refused to have anything to do with some NDA-censored “evidence”. The threat to sue any United Linux member is quite perplexing, to say the least. All this matter is murky, tiresome and disgusting. I suggest that OSnews avoids publishing the rantings of McBride and his accomplices until SCO and IBM get their day in court, if it ever happens. On a side note, I thought OSnews was moderated. Why hasn’t anyone spared us the degrading comments made by Karina and company ? 2003-06-14 9:19 am XBe, you are completely right! I would love to use BSD. However, it needs to get some improvements: – FreeBSD needs ISA DMA workarounds. I need to use a special parameter like hint.ata.isa_dma.disabled=”1″ at boot to make things work correctly. – FreeBSD needs a decent X distribution. When I move the pointer too quickly it starts lagging behind. – FreeBSD needs plug’n’play. All my hardware was autodetected in NetBSD, including Flashcard reader, soundcard and IDE controller, not so in FreeBSD. – Why not switch to NetBSD? It needs more software. It would be nice if I could install KDE 3.1 in NetBSD 1.6.1. Now I can only install KDE 3.0 on it, by borrowing lots of packages from 1.6. – NetBSD also needs a better partitioner for the installer. – NetBSD needs a decent X distribution. It often suddenly coredumps, leaving a dark purple textmode terminal behind, with the characters made almost unrecognisable. The latter also happens sometimes when quitting X the right way. If one of the BSD’s gets fixed, I would like to use it, but for now I stay with Windows and Linux. 2003-06-14 10:02 am Because presumably both HP and Compaq have UNIX licenses (for HP-UX and Tru64), and both contributed significantly to Linux development. They have realised IBM isn’t going to bite on this one, so they have to threaten somebody else, hoping they will cave because they absolutely cannot win if this goes to court. Any infringing code (and we only have SCO’s ever-changing stories to interpret this claim by) will be removed from Linux within days if it exists (and due to the fact they released the Sys V code is tainted with illegally copied BSD code, they will be having an exceptionally difficult time proving anything here), which will destroy any possibility of collecting royalties on an ongoing basis. I imagine that they have also just destroyed the future of the UNIX IP they supposedly hold so dear, since nobody in their right mind would ever again choose to base an OS on code tainted by SCO copyrights. SCO will go down in history as the company that killed commercial UNIX, and if I was a SCO stockholder who believes the AT&T UNIX IP does have value, I would be thinking of making sure SCO management go behind bars for this. 2003-06-14 10:21 am Somebody/company must or we will keep on making noise everywhere!!! Or we will sue here, sue there. Maybe Sontag voice is louder then McNealy but to McNealy have far better honour. 2003-06-14 10:23 am The SCO names is very well known now. Maybe this is one of their target. Crazy 2003-06-14 10:29 am I get to thinking that at the rate SCO’s going, they’re going to run out of friends very quickly. Software publishers the previous week, guru software hackers this week, hardware manufacturers the next … WAY TO GO, SCO! Be like the never-before-seen hoop snake, and rool off the stage with your tail in your mouth! 2003-06-14 10:40 am SCO are completely out of their mind!! First they introduced OS(copyright) war then they are after every major H/w manufacture. I think they dont have any business to do except to fight Law suits. 2003-06-14 10:54 am I-N-T-E-L. C’mon people, that wasn’t hard. 2003-06-14 11:04 am Can’t someone just, well, put them down..? That’s what we do with our sick animals anyway. 2003-06-14 11:13 am SCO are out of their mind. I think this is all about increasing their stock value and cashing out the bucks before anybody realises their case is just plain smoke. 2003-06-14 11:21 am I wonder who they are going to sue next week. I don’t think I’m going to read anymore of these articles about these SCO clowns. I’ll wait for the movie. 2003-06-14 1:39 pm “I’ll wait for the movie. ” Or book. Those seem to be popular. 2003-06-14 3:56 pm trying to sell John Cleese a dead parrot. Let’s hope the US legal system doesn’t buy it. 2003-06-14 4:01 pm SCO are out of their mind. I think this is all about increasing their stock value and cashing out the bucks before anybody realises their case is just plain smoke. You are giving them way too much credit. They are so entranced in their little dream world, where they crush linux and everyone rushes up to pay them money, that they don’t see anything else. 2003-06-14 4:47 pm If you substitute “Microsoft” for every place you see “SCO”, the picture is very clear. In the corrupt American system, one must always: 1. Ask “who benefits?” 2. Follow the money If you both things, it gives an outsider a fighting chance to see what is going on. In the case of SCO: 1. Microsoft benefits. SCO went from struggling Linux/UNIX vendor to second most-hated company on Earth with no possible business future in either Linux or UNIX. Considering they are merely the stooge for the most-hated company on Earth, it makes sense. 2. Only Microsoft has paid SCO for this “new” license. Yep, only one company and it just happens to be Microsoft. Ballmore has even come out praising SCO’s efforts. And why is SCO targeting hardware makers… who just happen to be the #1 source of Microsoft Windows OS revenue? So let us not be blinded into thinking SCO decided to commit suicide all on their very own. Big Daddy Ballmore is behind the SCO lawsuits… all the way. 2003-06-14 4:51 pm These guys are covering themselves in case the judge hands them their butts next week in the IBM case. Their stock will fall like a rock, but then they’ll step in and say “Hold it fellas… that there IBM wasn’t even our biggest target. No, no, no! We’ve got loads of untapped litigation potential. Look at this, we own Unix, basically every operating system used today except Windows. Our stock is cheap! Buy, buy, buy!” 2003-06-14 5:08 pm Its “Ballmer” not “Ballmore.” If you are going to blame the CEO of Microsoft, at least spell his name right. 2003-06-14 5:13 pm 🙂 2003-06-14 5:21 pm >Let’s hope the US legal system doesn’t buy it. The US legal system doesn’t buy anything, it sells it. 2003-06-14 6:50 pm SCO seems to be cought in a sue happy time loop,[URL=http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,1123176,00.asp]SCO might need to be sued[/URL] 2003-06-14 6:51 pm Oh well just click the link 2003-06-14 7:15 pm It’s a bit annoying to read news from SCO and still being waiting for code and proof. Sometimes I wonder if everyone could just “ban” or “boycott” any information coming from SCO until they show proof. Because now it’s weeks of bla bla and we’re still waiting :/ Even as a BSD user and not directly related to Linux I find this affair very annoying and it pisses me of. I have not knew what happened when USL tried to turn down BSD years ago but now with that Linux & SCO affair I now understand what happened, somewhat, to the BSD people. Makes me sad, even. 2003-06-14 7:24 pm Try this link for a good write up on Trillian – http://lwn.net/Comments/36053/ 2003-06-14 10:19 pm Lets look at this from a different perspective. How much has SCO stolen from the Linux community. May be SCO should be audited? 2003-06-15 1:13 am May be SCO should be audited? That’s a great idea…I am surprised it wasn’t mentioned before. 2003-06-15 6:43 am Reading the coments and laughing!!! I had my time with this:) Realy cool stuff, especially after a s**ty day like this…Real cool… keep up the cool coments:) 2003-06-15 7:04 am When this is all over, SCO will license the movie rights to a major studio. When the movie flops, they sue the studio for unauthorized use of Unixware codebase. 2003-06-15 7:38 am “Sue me? Why you gonna sue ME?!” “For the pain and suffering that you’ve caused me! Sue you! Sue EVERYONE!” SCO does have a plan here – it’s just not working out the way they expected it to. It’s possible that had they done this even a year ago things might’ve turned out differently, but too many companies have invested too much to for this to fly now. SCO’s IP has been superceeded by Linux in almost every way. Unless they pull a magic legal rabbit out of their asses, SCO is worthless as a takeover object. But in Bizzaro World, wouldn’t it be interesting if Linux was declared illegal? Could you imagine Red Hat and SUsE going BSD? It could happen but god, wouldn’t that be strange? 2003-06-15 1:33 pm >>If SCO is proven wrong I hope many companies countersue them out of existence. << Scox is going bankrupt anyway: – never one profitable year. – alienated all partners and customers – no viable business plan – loses money and market share every year – book value $0.67/share – no competitive products – appartently no case against ibm – lawsuits drag on for years. Add it up = no future. 2003-06-15 3:15 pm ” But in Bizzaro World, wouldn’t it be interesting if Linux was declared illegal? Could you imagine Red Hat and SUsE going BSD? It could happen but god, wouldn’t that be strange?” As an OS enthusiast, I wouldn’t mind. But as a music composer/enthusiast, I don’t know. How is BSD with multimedia? 2003-06-15 8:34 pm Having heard a tale once of two guys getting a truck load of a million AOL CDs and dumping them at the AOL HQ, perhaps we could do the same using Linux CDs on the SCO front lawn and ask them out of all the distros and the source code…where is the SCO code?