This is a review of Suse Linux 9.0 Professional Edition at LinuxElectrons: “This software has a retail list price of $79.95. A Personal Edition is also offered for a retail list price of $39.95. Suse also provides a free, downloadable version via ftp. However, this version only contains i386 rpm’s, whereas the pay versions support i586 (Intel Pentium processors and above). AMD processors are also supported as is the Athlon 64 (64 bits).”
Suse 9.0 Professional Review
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I don’t see anything that explains the difference between Personal & Professional versions. Which software is additional?
http://www.suse.com/us/private/products/suse_linux/i386/comparison….
The packages included in personal and the professional version are summarized here: http://www.suse.com/en/private/products/suse_linux/i386/packages.ht…
Regarding the review….the packages of the ftp-version are the same as on the cd….i586 and not i386. And another error…yast is not a suse only thing.
Unless you count United Linux, it’ pretty much a SUSE only thing.
I find it amazing to pay $80 for software that is NOT compliant with all the hardware. If it does not work right then it is beta software. Plus, it should install the first time instead of having to ‘babysit’ the install process.
Second, Linux on a laptop is like trying to make an elephant fly. With Windows XP it works perfect on a laptop with ALL the module bays working.
Lastly, Linux is too fragmented and to much of a shell shocked operating system. Windows XP and the next versions offer more functionality, software selection something that Linux does not have a clue on… Or I mean the community in general.
a side by side comparison of the two offerings. With those links you have to manually go thru the lists to see what Personal doesn’t include, unless I missed something.
I’m amazed how much faster Mandrake is than Red Hat on my dual 500mhz/ 768MB RAM. I wonder if Gentoo would be even faster.
I find it amazing to pay $80 for software that is NOT compliant with all the hardware. If it does not work right then it is beta software. Plus, it should install the first time instead of having to ‘babysit’ the install process.
Worst troll attempt ever.
Call me maker of an elephant flying. Running debian sid on a ibm thinkpad t40 (my only computer) with macromedia flash and dreamweaver installed. Plus: if xp is so great why is longhorn copying traditional unix shells in there CLI? just wondering.
I like SuSE 9.0 very much. I think it is much better than Mandrake which I used previously.
Installing any type of OS on a Dell laptop is trouble. Windows XP is not flawless on Dell hardware. Do yourself a favor and try an IBM laptop with that Suse 9.0 install. My old IBM 1410 iseries laptop had everthing recognized no problem.
SuSE should make ISOs available, not going to send 40 bucks for the personal edition since there are too many other distros out there that can do the same thing…
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its not Suse, its SUSE. LOl i know its stupid but they released a press release about this on distrowatch.com about 6months ago.
2.) Ive tried SUSE 8.2 via ftp install about 3months ago and I really liked it. The YAST installer is amazing at handling depencies( except for some reason it wouldnt d/l java2 so I just had to do it manually).
Right now SUSE is my 2nd favorite distro(slackware 9.1 is first) and I plan to order 9.0 soon.
Where is the FTP install for 9.0 available? All I see is 8.2 and the Live CD for 9.0.
That’s the problem with free software, programmers don’t get paid unless they have some kind of subscription service or charge for the software distribution. Unless of course you find a group of college kids just willing to throw away a lot of free time (and money).
I’ve successfully installed RH7, SUSE 8.1 and 8.2 (both professional) on my Dell Latitude all without a hitch, the first time – picked my packages and then came back a bit later to a fresh OS.
Categorizing any situation as black and white will never work guys.. 🙂
Well, then I wonder why the logo has “SuSE” (with lowercase “u”) in it.
Just nitpicking!
That was a fair review. Has anyone noticed how great and consistent are the fonts? The fonts are sweet on Mozilla, Konqueror, K3b and every other application displayed on the screenshots. SUSE is one of the few distros I have always liked; Suse meets 99% of my desktop requirements (no, I don’t use Windows; I am 100% free from Windows).
Sure, Slackware loads and shuts down a bit faster than SUSE, but I don’t mind waiting 30s-1m more (I actually enjoy watching and reading the verbose mode with the “greens”; I always get “greens”, no “reds”), besides I got a whopping 512mb ram that makes my system (self-built) perform relatively fast. I can’t wait for the ftp-install. Sure, you have to manually install the plugins (java vm, flash, realaudio and etc) with the ftp-install, but that’s ok for an intermediate Linux and BSD (OpenBSD) user; just takes me few minutes to download them, few other minutes to install them using a Bash.
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well i couldnt find the article but…
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=suse
It keeps using all uppercase
here we go:
Distribution SUSE LINUX (formerly SuSE Linux)
top of the page I listed
Heh. All my laptop’s hardware works just fine in Linux. Even the useless winmodem. Actually, Linux even has an edge over windows on my iPod. Its supports my iPod out of box, while XP requires me to install drivers for it.
I have a Dell Latitude D800. I’m disappointed that there are no linux drivers for the TrueMobile 1300 Wireless Card it has. And, (out of Knoppix, RH and Morphix) I’m batting a .000 at getting the display to work correctly, too.
I’d have to agree that Dell laptops are not fairing too well with Linux support.
Second, Linux on a laptop is like trying to make an elephant fly. With Windows XP it works perfect on a laptop with ALL the module bays working.
No problems running Slack 9.1 on my laptop, and it detected all my hardware.
SuSE should make ISOs available, not going to send 40 bucks for the personal edition since there are too many other distros out there that can do the same thing…
I guess your name says it all, eh?
Why should SuSE make isos available? They’re in the distro biz to make a profit.
Since you’re claiming to be capable of running the “free as in beer” distros anyways what’s your beef with them?
“SuSE” has now officially changed to “SUSE LINUX”
SUSE has already posted v9 updates – maybe they address some of the issues mentinoed in the article. Free SUSE has in the past always been sometime after boxed SUSE. But $80 off the shelf or $65 from Amazon – that’s only little more than the price for a month of DSL.
suse is by far the easiest to setup distro i believe. at least compare to MDK and redhat.
yast provides better tools than MDK control center.
the fastest in performance among 3 , as stable as redhat.
nothing much to be tweaked on my compaq n610 laptop.
one complain about the hardware: suse 9 still doesnt recognize geforcefx5200 as in 8.2 (need to install the driver at first boot) . other line of fx works fine though.
sick of Deak R stupid trolling, hardware detection and software installation have been improved in every linux releases. while some degree of user friendly already exist.
the true user friendly will still have to wait.
the most important thing: linux can do whatever other oses can (if not better).
im in ver 8.2. like to wait for the next suse(kde 3.2, kernel 2.6 …)
to me 9 is just another regular update.
for those who wanna save money you can get the pro update version us50. same as us80 package but less the 1000+ DOC.
you dont need any athorization code to activate the product
If Suse is charging $80 as I stated before, it should be required to work on ALL laptops and pc’s. If you search for linux on laptops, there are only a handfull that actually function. Plus, who wants to spend months trying to install a operating system. Second, MS windows comes on all new home pc’s, if you build one the hardware is based on it being used with WinXP/2000 Pro ect.
Lastly, linux is still light years behing MS Windows on laptops and will remain that way. For real laptop computing you need Win XP Pro/2000 Pro…
Has anyone noticed that not-very-well-informed journalists trying out new Linux distros invariably try to install the distro on their laptop and then complain about hardware problems for Linux in general? OK, this reviewer had at least moderate awareness of the problems involved, but that’s the general pattern.
I suppose it’s because most journalists live on (in?) their laptops and are generally too lazy to do much more than cursory research for their articles. They seem to be unaware of the fact that newer laptops in particular are generally designed for Windows, and since much of their hardware is proprietary with little or no system-level documentation released providing support is very difficult for the Linux programmers.
Deak you are annoying and clearly have no clue as to what you are talking about. I (we) know your just a troll with nothing better to do (you got stock in MS or something?, and if you do you will notice that over the last year you would have done better with Redhat
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Anyways:
I have winXP corporate and Linux SUSE 8.2 installed on this laptop. I use Xp about once every three or four months. Linux works better on it (XP has severly f-d up my wireless cards drivers, thanx winblows!).
Also, I have an almost useless system with XP by itself. With Linux distros, I have all sorts of apps to work with and get stuff done. As far as installation goes, I spend WAY more time tinkering with windows to get it secure then I do with linux. With XP I have to download a real web browser, a software firewall, a product to remove spyware, manualy turn off ports, install office applications, look around on the net for Laptop drivers (cause XP by itself doesnt support all of my laptop drivers, and when they do, its a 50/50 chance of failure using MS Certified Drivers anyways, log onto MS update and watch my system sit and apparently do nothing while patches are applied, and then reboot, reboot, reboot.
And dont even get me started about how useless windows is once installed. Wheres my built in web browser SFTP? Wheres ssh for that matter. How come I have to click copy after I select text? Why do I have to go online to activate a scheme to make the fonts look good? Wheres a powerfull command line? Why cant the desktop look good? On and on.
So dont tell me that MS is better on a laptop. You are wrong, its a great deal WORSE.
Once again, we get a review of the install process and the packages.
I’m waiting for a review of Suse 9.0 in actual day to day use – I don’t really care how it installs.
Once you’ve got it installed, how does it function ?
Does it hook up easily to windows networks ?
What about printer setups/sharing printers ?
Does it run fast on the Desktop ?
What multi-media is supported – i.e. divx, mov, mp3 etc. ?
The amount of things that could be added to a review are endless, so why do reviewers so often just review the install ?
You do aknowledge that no matter what distro you are going for: You *do have to* download it either way, is that correct? — So I don’t see your point bitching around — it’s pretty much the same downloading 2,5 GB in the form of ISOs or 2,5 GB off the FTP. You can put that on a partition of your HD and install from there or over LAN, personally, I backed it up on CDs as well (speaking of 8.2).
SuSE usually offers the FTP download about 4-6 weeks after the box-release and yes, the FTP and CD versions are the same.
I don’t understand where he got that 386/586 thing from, especially whilst he is doing a SuSE 9 review of which there is no FTP yet, hence he can’t make any statement about that whatsoever in the first place… *uh*
Hi everyone,
I’ve got SuSE 9 (Pro) and it refuses to log me into any desktop from the graphical login after the first reboot. You log in, then the prompt disappears, then the screen goes black, then blue again, then the login prompt reappears! I get round this normally by using failsafe, but this isn’t satisfactory. Has anyone else had this problem?
Welcome to the world of linux, I think what you described is not a problem. It sounds like typical linux behavior of the operating system.
Enjoy the operating system, it sounds like you already are, do you like the black screen or blue the best.
Meanwhile, try another one like Win 2000 Pro/XP Pro and have one that actually works.
I am totaly MS-free user … or I was. than I got IBM laptop with Intel Centrino …
and now, no matter do I like it or not, I have to use XP, because there is no Linux support for Centrino.
I don’t like Windows, I don’t like how its products work, I don’t like its policy … but I will use it, beacuse of lack of centrino support. this is not tipical Deak’s question “why should I buy it” but “why should I use SuSe, if it doesn’t support what I need …”. SuSe and other distros are for not a solution for me … unfortunately
M.
>I have to use XP, because there is no Linux support for >Centrino.
Are you sure ?
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/11/04/0125259.shtml?tid=118&tid=137…
well well well … this a nice day …
thanx …
M.
I eagerly plopped down my $65 for SUSE Pro 9.0 (amazon.com) and installed it as soon as it came via UPS. It is very good – but does have a few quirks.
On my DELL Inspiron 8200 laptop it failed to detect my monitor correctly – SUSE kindly answered my email query, but their solution has not yet worked. Monitor/graphics compatibility is still iffy. I am appalled that a distro this good still has such trivial problems – and makes the buyer obtain/install nVidia drivers. Come on, Herrn!
YaST2 does rock totally – although I think the “install software” component is still a bit clumsy. RH organizes installation choices better – Mozilla, Evolution are *not* installed by default in SUSE 9.0!
Bc my laptop is my main machine I may have wasted that $65. Perhaps Fedora 1 will be the ticket…