Home > Linspire > Lindows mobilizes Centrino supportLindows mobilizes Centrino support Eugenia Loli 2004-02-19 Linspire 24 CommentsDesktop Linux software maker Lindows.com released on Thursday a version of its operating system featuring support for Intel’s Centrino chips for wireless notebooks.About The Author Eugenia LoliEx-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker.Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 24 Comments 2004-02-19 8:14 pm Does anyone know what sort of license their Centrino support is released under? 2004-02-19 8:24 pm I suspect they are you using ndiswrapper or the linuxant driver. 2004-02-19 8:26 pm Ahh you are probably right. I was hoping they had come up with some better solution. That’s still pretty nice that it’s included in the default setup though… 2004-02-19 9:22 pm HiThis will give intel less incentives to come up with a proper native solution which they have postponing to do. ndiswrapper is a workable hack. I hope Lindows understands its implicationsregardsJess 2004-02-19 9:59 pm It seems to me that Lindows is the only consumer friendly linux distribution working towards innovation while ensuring linux receives the attention it needs to become a top tier desktop/laptop OS. I bet my money on Lindows for the future of linux. 2004-02-20 2:29 am Lindows is proprietary; it is not free software. Most of the OS is of course under the GPL, but things like Click N Run and other utilities are all licensed to own the user.Anyone who quits Windows to switch to Lindows is trading one restrictive proprietary OS for another. Instead of Microsoft owning you, it will be Lindows.Just because it’s “Linux” doesn’t mean it’s free software.-Jem 2004-02-20 2:34 am You are right. How dare a company listen to it’s customers to get support for something that they want! And it will even lead to more sales! The complete nerve of them.</sarcasem> 2004-02-20 3:22 am free software, 100% GPL blabla*this is what brings mandrake & redhat down.suse user. 2004-02-20 3:30 am Quoting the referenced article: “Initial Centrino support in Lindows will be based on existing Linux adaptations of Windows drivers…” Taking an existing Linuxant ndiswrapper and adding it to the default install is NOT “Driving Innovation” by any means, but rather commercially exploiting existing resources. Quite a bit of difference there. 2004-02-20 4:05 am It doesn’t matter how many times you say it Egon…. it’s not going to become true. Lindows IS an innovator. Click and Run is the greatest gift to linux useability, ever. That’s innovation my friend. By providing the centrino driver in their distrobution they are continuing to make sure their solution is the best and most complete. I’m sorry you’re confused. Please, by all means, continue to use your linux distro where you still need to use the command line to install your applications. Also feel free to manually configure your apps as well. As for me, I’ll take my linux easy to use… thanks. Lindows rules… plain and simple. 2004-02-20 5:30 am Hi“You are right. How dare a company listen to it’s customers to get support for something that they want! And it will even lead to more sales! The complete nerve of them.</sarcasem> ”Did you read me properly. Intel has only just about announced their plans to bring out native versions. ndiswrapper is like wine. only a temporary solution. bunding it with lindows will give intel the impression that everyone else can do this too and they can keep postponing their native releaseUnderstand the problem. Lindows solution is a short term thing. I am talking about a long term one.Jess 2004-02-20 6:25 am You know, Ive been giving Lindows people crap for a while now, but I’m liking what they’re doing. I still will stick to something less windows-like, but I’m gonna stop ripping on people who use it. Its become respectable lately. 2004-02-20 6:43 am Re: JemSo what? If this turns you off, don’t buy it or use it. Those that do pay for it have a reason for doing so. I like it because of CNR and the fact that you can get commercial stuff for good discounts. I also like the fact that my scanner now scans like it’s supposed to cause I downloaded Vuescan via CNR.Point is, I chose to pay. I have my reasons.Re: The innovaton thingyI agree that it is not very innovative and that it might imply giving less incentive to Intel for developing a proper solution, but what it does is that it presents a solution for it’s users now rather than having to wait for one to show up. BTW, hadn’t Intel announced that they would have a driver out late this year?Wait a sec, found it: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5161041.html“ 2004-02-20 8:29 am dont buy centrino until they get code so linux can support it. never buy hardware for which support is not available if you are not able to write code yourself for that purpose. contact the hardware seller and make it clear that you wont buy unless they take the matter seriously.just boycott centrino and make them know why. 2004-02-20 2:31 pm I’m not suggesting that you shouldn’t pay for your OS, I’m suggesting that using Lindows subjects you to the same kind of restrictive licensing that Windows and other proprietary programs have. If you want some corporation to own you and the software on your computer for the sake of an easier configuration, then go right ahead. They’re your rights, not mine.-Jem 2004-02-20 3:29 pm I think it can be best explained using one of Kevin Carmony’s examples. I could go out, purchase a Flowbee, and cut my own hair but that’s not very convenient. I’d rather pay someone who’s better at cutting hair to cut my hair. Plus I wouldn’t look like a such a door knob. I’m not sure how you can say that Lindows is locking me in like Windows. I pay for Click and Run like I pay for haircuts…. because it’s easier and BETTER. Plus, as for restrictive licensing goes, I can install Lindows and the apps I installed using Click and Run on ANY of the computers in my family. Try doing that with anything from M$. I’ve found that people who tend to judge Lindows are people who haven’t even used LindowsOS… and probably live in their parents basement. 2004-02-20 4:10 pm First, it is obvious that you are a rabid Lindows fan. Fine and dandy, but incorporating an existing ndiswrapper is NOT innovation. Ingenuity, perhaps; marketing insight, perhaps; but NOT innovation. And, in regards to the living in my parents’ basement, I would hope not, for it would be rather cold and damp, since one has been interred since 1971 and the other lives in Florida and is nearly 80. Ad hominem attacks are not necessary, and Lindows is part of a quad boot arrangement with Slackware, FreeBSD, and Wintendo on my machine. I happen to like the wallpapers, OPENGL screensavers and LILO splash at the moment. It brightens up the drab Slack lilo boot. However, if your attitude is an example of the Lindows community in general, perhaps a rethink MIGHT be in order. 2004-02-20 4:36 pm Why is everyone so angry about LindowsOS? Maybe the folks who are anti-Lindows are just angry because they’ve spent a lot of time trying to get apps like xine or mplayer installed manually. That would make me grumpy as well. As for innovation… stay with me here. I’m speaking about Lindows’ linux efforts on a whole. I never said adding the work Intel did made Lindows innovative. Again, I’m sorry your confused. I’m only saying that Lindows is the only distro that has been a complete solution from top to bottom. Sure, it’s not perfect, yet, but I suspect it will become the #1 consumer distro in a short amount of time. As for my attitude, take a look at the majority of comments made about Lindows from NON Lindows users. I figured it’s high time someone stepped in, someone who actully uses the OS, and defended this great distribution and the work the good folks at Lindows are doing. 2004-02-20 6:02 pm The reasons individuals in the GNU/Linux community have issues with Lindows are many and legion. One, running a multiuser system as ROOT presents a security hole. Two, the omnipresent Lindows-everything all over the place, implying that THEY did the software, rather than just glued it all together (albeit very nicely, save for that Keramic theme [much prefer Plastik myself]). Mozilla becomes LINDOWS Internet Suite,e.g. vice Web Browser, as was done by RedHat in its Bluecurve modifications. The continuing hoopla attached to grandiose claims that later prove to be, shall we say, more modest in nature (e.g. the “FIRST AOL LINUX COMPUTER of late 2002, later dropped because AOL said “Lindows WHO?”). Some also object to taking Debian and turning an apt repository into a cash cow, but that is beginning to abate. Four, the basic hubris of M.R. in general is too much to swallow (e.g. THE NETHERLANDS NO LONGER HAVE A CHOICE adverts.) Please! Mandrake, SUSE, Debian, Lycoris, and many other Linux Desktop alternatives did NOT just up and vanish the day the NL judge said NO to Lindows. So, for many and varied reasons, the animosity is there and perhaps in some instances deserved. 2004-02-20 9:35 pm Ok… I suppose I’ll take one point at a time. First, after the amazingly fast 10-15 minute install, you are given the opportunity to add a user so running as root isn’t an issue. Strike one for you. Second, LindowsOS is designed for the average computer user. The renaming of the apps is for the end users benefit. If you go to the about sections of the apps you’ll see that Lindows has left credit where credit is due… with the developers. Strike two for you. Third, heaven forbid that a company find a way to not only bring linux to the average user, but find a way to make money at it as well!! Holy smokes, what is wrong with this company? If you want to use other apt repositories… go ahead, no one is stopping you. Feel free to order another Flowbee while you’re at it. Click and Run allows me to also purchase and install software like Star Office, or BitStream fonts, etc. Strike three for you. Fourth, Michael Roberts can’t be blamed for trying to build his company and make a profit. I think you’ve struck out…. time to hit the showers.The main point you seem to be avoiding is this… Lindows is for the masses. Not the dudes who drink Jolt Cola at every meal and prefer to compile source code because it’s cool. Although they can use Lindows as well… it’s that robust. I’m not knocking the other distros, in fact, I’ve used many of them in the past. I guess I just don’t understand why people can’t be happy that Lindows is an easy to use distribution with excellent company and community support.Your efforts to make LindowsOS look like something less than it is makes me sleepy. Your arguments are nothing more than a tiresome effort to say linux is only valuable if it’s difficult to use. That’s just sad. 2004-02-20 10:12 pm Now, to YOUR attempted points. After that “amazingly fast” 15 minute install, which merely unzips a freaking 600 meg zip file onto the drive, the initial login asks for root password (something along the lines of Administrator). When the KDE gui finally appears, among the tutorials is a box filled with what those in the Windows world would regard as the “yeah, yeah, sure, sure” text that EULAs are regarded with in the Windows world. Sitting amongst all that text, with the advisory to visit Lindows.com and read about security is a button labelled ADVANCED. Now, how many Windows refugees are going to even THINK about hitting that ADVANCED button? Precious few. And, there, in that ADVANCED is the option to create a user. So, most if not all end up as root. So much for point one.Point two: perhaps Microsoft should rename anything included as third party software bundled in on a PC, so that Adobe Photoshop become MICROSOFT Photoshop, Dreamweaver becomes MICROSOFT Dreamweaver, etc. Redhat renamed items on the KDE kicker and in the K menu, but didn’t call it REDHAT Internet Suite, or WordPro now, did they? It became Web Browser in the menu, and when started, Mozilla fired up. The grandstanding still goes on (see the advert at Lycoris.com to be reminded that choice STILL exists in the Netherlands, contrary to the HUGE banners/adverts that have been taken out on the Lindows site.Your mention of “Heaven forbid someone should make money” was not germaine, since I said that SOME object to taking the efforts of volunteers and profiteering from it, but that it is abating. I did NOT disagree with the convenience of CNR for those who choose to pay for it. Feel free to use it. I also mentioned the MANY and MYRIAD claims that later resulted in backpedalling by M.R. Making the additional software available at significant discount in a centralized location is a good thing. Making claims of the nature that “Choice is denied” are pure marketing hubris, and unbecoming to a company.And, rewording your next to last statement in a slightly less flattering way, Lindows is for those who do NOT know how to compile code, and do NOT understand a command line and haven’t a clue concerning those things. Yet, there exist drivers available only in source code format, which require compiling even now (some winmodems, for example a PCTel that was provided in my machine). All those clueless show up at the Lindows forums, asking “Why won’t it…” or “How do I…” when confronted with the GNU/Linux world. The very Centrino support you jumped up and down about will most likely be provided by Intel as a binary only package, which will require command line expertise to enable. SO sorry I kept you awake. 2004-02-21 2:01 am I believe in “freedom” software. But to tell you the truth I am not using the GNU/HURD operating system due to my lack of knowledge. I am also not using a GNU/Linux system since I have proprietary nvidia drivers installed (call me bad). Also Lindows is a “Choice”. Linux is not totally “free”, there’s bandwidth costs, web site maintainance etc… Only a complete GNU system with giving donations to every developer is “free”. Many individuals are kind enough to provide bandwidth and space for apt repositories, even full blown distros etc… The bone I have to pick is that people who believe that Lindows is not a severely well organized and beautifully polished Linux system (yes not a GNU/Linux system but a “Linux” system). Leave it at that. If you have the couple of bucks laying around definitely try it out. I did and found myself bored with nothing to do on it because everything worked flawlessly. I then messed up everyting switching the /etc/apt/sources.list to Debian unstable to install Gnome. I was sick to my stomach when I tinkered with the system. Lindows Linux is definitely worth the money if and only if you want to do nothing ever again with your system. There’s tons of software and the system is again (I can’t stress this enough) really easy and plain logical. Most of the people reading OSNEWS know a “LOT” about computers. I can honestly say Lindows is easier to use than Windows. Seriously with a net connection EVERYTHING is done for you, you definitely get your money’s worth. 2004-02-21 2:32 am It never ceases to amaze me… how can you be unaware of the difference between “free as in freedom” and “free as in price?”Free Software means free as in freedom, as in your rights are yours and you’re not owned by a corporation like Lindows or Microsoft. Free Software does not mean free of charge. You should be paying for all of the Free Software that you use.This is Linux 101 stuff. Not understanding the meaning, contributions and benefits of Free Software is a side-effect of using operating systems like Lindows, which exploit Free Software for the benefit of a few. Lindows should be charging for every program in CNR and donating most of the money to the Debian project.-Jem 2004-02-21 5:18 am Couldn’t have put it more succinctly. Well phrased.