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it’s still no match for Windows Explorer. The 3 column view is awful.
And faster networking discovery (takes about a minute to find the 2 XP boxes.)
And of course, DROP the metal look. At first, I thought it was cute but now I dislike seeing it. It’s extremely ugly.
Fix iChat so that the window works like iTunes. It’s annoying.
And Fix Quicktime. It’s still a useless application other that viewing flick on apple’s web site.
And maybe C# support?
“must be purchased with hardware ” dumbass.”
I bought XP one time at OEM pricing and had to include a $4 mouse to get the discount… What a ripoff! LOL
dumbass that includes any piece of hardware including a mouse or cable or plug that will cost you $.50
who is the dumbass now?
No offense, but if you can afford the likes of DVD Studio Pro, Final Cut Pro HD, and Shake (thats what…$7000 worth of software)…then I think you can afford to upgrade OSX to whatever version they require.
how about ichat that used to be free
if on jag you can pay $20 for it or you can get free with paid upgrade to 10.3
Videoconference with millions on Mac or PC
iChat AV 2.1 supports videoconferencing with the new AOL Instant Messenger 5.5 for Windows, giving you immediate access to the millions of people in both the Mac and PC communities. iChat AV 2.1 requires Mac OS X v10.3 or later.
ichat av 2.1 requires 10.3 if you want that functionality.
end of quibbling. point made.
You, because you’re actually breaking the terms of the OEM sale like that.
OEM purchasing is no less “obscure” than me going on the used-copies section of Amazon. Heck, I’d say more people know how to use Amazon than know how to find OEM sellers. But does that make either one a valid price comparison? No.
The fact that I can go to a used book store in my town and find a copy of The Lord of the Rings for $3 does not prove that it is a cheap book. Nor does it prove it if I look for it in deep discount reseller catalogs (which I actually do for books). Neither of these things changes the fact that a copy of LotR is not a cheap book, it just proves that I can beat the system.
Now, just to illustrate how you are unfairly slating the tables, here’s my OS X record:
Purchased 10.0: $60 educational
Free 10.1 Upgrade
Purchased 10.2: $60 educational
Purchased 10.3 $70 educational
That’s $190 over 4 years. Even though XP wasn’t available at $133 when 10.0 came out, I would STILL have gone with OS X because I feel my extra $60 were well spent. And they’re only getting better and better spent the longer XP stagnates waiting for Longhorn. I wouldn’t pay $133 for XP as it is now.
But what about all the people out there who no longer qualifies for EDU discounts? Then Retail or somewhere around Retail pricing for the OS’s apply.
iChat still is free. It’s only a specific version of it that’s not.
This is true in lots of other markets as well. StarOffice for Linux costs money, while the free version (OpenOffice) is free. You pay to get the newest features Sun has added. Big deal.
iChat AV relies on advances made in Panther, and it was a considerable investment on Apple’s part to backport it to Jaguar. I can testify to the fact that the Jaguar beta was only mediocre and it’s a lot more satisfactory on Panther. Is it wrong for them to ask compensation for their effort? No.
As has always been the case with OS upgrades, you upgrade if you want the features. If the features aren’t worth it to you, you don’t upgrade. There are lots of people out there who don’t/won’t/can’t use the AV features of iChat AV. And you know, plenty of them are perfectly content using the older version of iChat on Jaguar.
In fact, I think the entire iChat debate detracts from your point: it’s a new feature that some people value and some don’t. If you value it, it’s worth your money either to upgrade or buy the $20 version. If you don’t, you don’t have to upgrade. Simple as that.
for edu is available for $81 on pricewatch.com
why all the edu debate. most of us know students and staff can get great pricing.
Considering Anonymous is quoting unique OEM prices, I don’t think its unfair for others to cite educational prices either.
This is becoming ridiculous. YOU CANNOT COMPARE PRICES OF ITEMS BASED ON A SINGLE PRICE POINT.
Just because my local grocery store sells Coca-Cola for cheaper doesn’t make it cheaper than Pepsi overall. The only reliable way to measure that is to see what price the two are actually listed for sale at.
So please, let’s all leave behind the stupid arguments with unique prices.
you will see why we are discussing ichat
the point is that ichat features have been in windows for over 7 yrs. apple is playing catch up with ms. and charging extra to do it.
the point isnt that it is good software or works best with a certain version of the mac os.
the other point is how some software, including apps from apple themselves are made for only certain point releases of X. apple is doing all it can to herd its users into paying an annual subscription is my point.
I made an error about iChat on 10.0…I was actually thinking about another app (I have friends that work at Apple and I saw 10.0 about 6 months before the public along with a number of other apps…including iChat when 10.0 was out though it was still being developed for 10.2).
Anyhow, I was mearly replying to your comment about iChat coming out last year. The key point is that iChat came up before a year ago.
What you are thinking about is iChat AV which came out with Panther.
In either case, my comment about third party apps that do the same thing as netmeeting still stands and was backed up by another user of this web site stating that such apps stretch back to classic.
In either case, who really gives a crap anyway whether there is an apple or microsoft branded communication client or not. The ability to use such software is available and is often free.
now we will bring in all possible free third party solutions
fact remains apple took many years to catch up to ms in features that are included free in the os.
twist twist twist we go in the wind.
“it’s still no match for Windows Explorer. The 3 column view is awful.”
You don’t have to use column view. You could view things with “details” mode, which is very similar to explorer.
Further, you might want to give PathFinder a try. http://cocoatech.com/
Additionally oyou could always install KDE and use Konqueror to browse you system. Either way, you are by no means limited to using Finder.
apple is doing all it can to herd its users into paying an annual subscription is my point.
Then why can you play Apple iTunes songs for an unlimited time, while Microsoft DRM songs expire after a fixed amount of time?
Besides, if you want to run the latest software, you don’t only need the latest OS but you also need the latest hardware. My PC can run Windows XP perfectly fine, but it will not even run the original Unreal Tournament at an acceptable speed. So to keep up-to-date on the Windows platform, you might need fewer OS updates, but you also need a new PC more often.
Btw. if you complain so much about the OS price, why do you advocate XP so much instead of SuSE Linux, which is “free” according to you?
an annual subscription, not a simple os price.
hardware issues to run certain software will apply on both macs and pcs….what mac do you need to run halo?
you are quite wrong about ms drm music. some expires if that is the type you bought. most does not expire. dont spread FUD.
“Videoconference with millions on Mac or PC
iChat AV 2.1 supports videoconferencing with the new AOL Instant Messenger 5.5 for Windows, giving you immediate access to the millions of people in both the Mac and PC communities. iChat AV 2.1 requires Mac OS X v10.3 or later. “
Umm…actually you do NOT NEED 10.3 to have AV capabilities for iChat. iChat 2.0 which is available for $30 is available for OS X 10.2
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa?pro…
v 2.1 to get that functionality i clearly posted. read it:
“Videoconference with millions on Mac or PC
iChat AV 2.1 supports videoconferencing with the new AOL Instant Messenger 5.5 for Windows, giving you immediate access to the millions of people in both the Mac and PC communities. iChat AV 2.1 requires Mac OS X v10.3 or later. “
xp was released 2.5 yrs ago
and since then for free you have gotten
all security, functionality, and stability patches
windows movie maker and movie maker 2
windows media player up to version 9 and all of its new features and add-ons (media player power toys)
windows messenger updates to v 4.7
directx updates to version 9.0b and all of its support for cutting edge video technology
the full suite of windows xp powertoys which includes (Open Command Window Here
This PowerToy adds an “Open Command Window Here” context menu option on file system folders, giving you a quick way to open a command window (cmd.exe) pointing at the selected folder.
Alt-Tab Replacement
With this PowerToy, in addition to seeing the icon of the application window you are switching to, you will also see a preview of the page. This helps particularly when multiple sessions of an application are open.
Tweak UI
This PowerToy gives you access to system settings that are not exposed in the Windows XP default user interface, including mouse settings, Explorer settings, taskbar settings, and more.
Version 2.10 requires Windows XP Service Pack 1 or Windows Server 2003.
Power Calculator
With this PowerToy you can graph and evaluate functions as well as perform many different types of conversions.
Image Resizer
This PowerToy enables you to resize one or many image files with a right-click.
CD Slide Show Generator
With this PowerToy you can view images burned to a CD as a slide show. The Generator works downlevel on Windows 9x machines as well.
Virtual Desktop Manager
Manage up to four desktops from the Windows taskbar with this PowerToy.
Taskbar Magnifier
Use this PowerToy to magnify part of the screen from the taskbar.
Webcam Timershot)
.net framework up to 1.1
new versions of the msde database engine for standalone use
windows script up to v. 5.6
activesync up to 3.7.1
not exactly xp but all office file format viewers are free to download
windows services for unix 3.5 is available free (run for free nearly all unix apps os x is capable of running…minus the pretty looks of os x of course)
free beta version of xp 64 bit for amd64 cpus
numerous new screensavers can be dled
ms baseline security analyzer
advanced networking pack and wpa support
free plus dancer! limited edition with scooby-doo
free photo story 2 limited edition
the list goes on for some time….http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/downloads/default.asp
support for all sorts of hardware that hits windows before mac…pci-x, usb 2.0, agp x speed of several flavors, rambus ram, ddr ram, serial ata…………….
“the point is that ichat features have been in windows for over 7 yrs”
Umm…actually I can give a crap if a feature has existed in an OS for 7 years. If the same feature set has existed in an OS for 7 years, and a different OS had a smaller list of features but is quickly catching up to the first os with 7 year old feature set, which OS looks like it is going somewhere?
Windows has for the most part (from a user perspective) changed very little since Windows 98 (hence why year after year there is a decline in Winodws sales and Micorosft keeps trying to encourage the Win98 crowd to upgrade). Windows has failed to have a feature set which offers a compelling reason for MOST users to upgrade.
The same can’t be said about OS X. I would say that OS X has most, if not all of the features XP has, and a few extras (Expose, Quartz Extreme which is actualy getting copied now in Longhorn).
OS X seems to be actually heading somewhere. It is being constantly developed and improved. Windows seems to be sitting and rotting.
Who really gives a shit where an OS was seven years ago? Ok, Anonymous seems to think it is important…but that was the classic days. We are now talking about OS X, a ‘nix based os. It is hardly comparable to classic. If you want to look at 7 years ago, by all means do so, but you are living in the past. Take a look at what is happening today.
I wonder what new features will in 10.4.x… 10.3x was well worth the upgrade from 10.2, so hopefully 10.4 will be worth the upgrade as well.
btw, guys lets not try to feed the trolls (Anonymous (IP: —.chvlva.adelphia.net)) here and lets get back onto topic, 10.4 will be discussed at WWDC.
From the iChat web site I linked to earlier:
“For Video
* Mac OS X v10.2.5 or later (Mac OS X v10.2.8 or later and QuickTime 6.4 recommended)
* G5, G4 or G3 processor at 600MHz or faster
* Video: iSight or any FireWire-based video camera (DV camcorders require G5 or G4 processor)
* Audio: iSight or any microphone (internal or external)
* Cable, DSL, or other broadband Internet connection (100Kbps or better)”
I was only pointing out the iChat AV 2.0 was available with little difference in ability to 2.1 You can still video conference with iChat 2.0 on OS X 10.2 Jaguar. Check the link I posted.
just that it took apple that long to catch up.
windows sales are not stagnating….last time we all looked and as this board regularly shows: windows share continues to climb and the mac os continues to decline.
xp is radically different today than win98 was 7 years ago.
different file system….but we don’t want to get into that list as it would be offtopic comparing xp to 98.
I commented on Windows not having changed much from a USER perspective. Please tell me how a different filesystem really is a big change to most users.
If you talk about filesystems to most users they don’t have a clue what you are talking about.
About poor XP sales:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,76724,00.asp
It is an older article, but I have read a couple months ago that Microsoft was still upset that they haven’t had nearly the success with XP as they were hoping and that they still want to get 98 users to upgrade, as well as 98 having been on overall more successful OS.
“…but we don’t want to get into that list as it would be offtopic comparing xp to 98.”
What are you talking about? YOu act like we haven’t been off topic already. We should be discussing what will likely be in Tiger and whether it will be worth upgrading. Instead you chose to make this an XP vs. X debate. Give me a break.
I for one am looking forward to 10.4. I will be getting my first mac at that time. My other mac experience comes from work.
One of the things that I look forward to is the spoken interface that will be included. Further, I expect their to be an even better search ability than the all ready great abilities present in Panther.
I am not sure that piles will make it into 10.4 They were suppossed to be in 10.3 and it was decided not to incorporate them.
I think the piles concept may have been dropped though I am not sure.
I have heard that there will be some Expose enhancements added though.
users like consistency and that is why less than 50% of old mac users have yet to move to X. its too radical of a change.
serious pro designers in large numbers (again better than 50%) have refused to take up X.
MS announced just the other day that they have sold over 210 million copies of XP in 2.5 yrs.
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5204407.html
your news is out of date.
ms would always like to see more buy it as their goal is to sell as many as possible. ms sales are way up and so are profits short of paying off sue happy Sun and the EU.
finally most users i know are thrilled that xp can have classic look turned on so they dont have to learn anything new and they can make even slow equiupment responsive. os x has been dogged by gui responsiveness issues since day one and it continues today even on very powerful equipment.
all hail leaving the gui alone so i can get my work done in apps…my goal isnt to learn a new os every yr or to stare at pretty icons. i use a computer to get at programs that allow me to do things.
So everyone here is 11 years old?
No. I’m 12. And I feel extremely old.
I’ve generally felt OS X’s upgrades were worth the money. 10.1 was rightly free, smoothing the rougher release bugs of 10.0. 10.2 brought dramatic speed improvements and niceties like iChat. 10.3 was — and I hate to use such a phrase too easily — damn near revolutionary. Expose is indespensible once once you’ve tried it, and the Finder is sooo much better. I wonder what 10.4 will bring? A new file system, perhaps? More Finder polishes? Improved Mail? Guess we’ll see.
Yeah, XP and XP Pro may be cheap, but they don’t develop!!! “All the updates since then have been free.” Oh yeah, all….what, ONE of those updates. Thats a big number. And security updates don’t count. Mac and XP users alike get them for free, so no comparison there…OS X is updated constantly and then every 6 to 8 of those small updates they ask for money. No, that doesn’t make sense at all?!?!? Let’s not pay them for their hard work and actually putting time into an OS. NOT.
And, what does Windows include, Explorer, Media Player, IE, and all those other ‘huge’ applications like Sound Recorder or Pinball. YAY! Oh, sorry, forgot Outlook Express. OS X: Mail, X11, Safari, iChat, TextEdit (a lot better than Notepad or WordPad), Preview (also a lot better than the Windows equivalen), iTunes, iSync, Address Book, iCal, XCode. WOW, you don’t have to pay extra to make the software for your computer.
And even if I hated Apple, look at shareware and other software. There software that does close to nothing and you end up paying $10 for it! More than a hundred dollars to see if your system is working right, 30 and up to check for spyware, and around $40 for a worthwhile Windows web browser. That adds up to $170 for THREE things that are included in OS X. And don’t go saying things about OS X security. Ok, there is holes in the system. Your point? Yeah, I have yet to hear about a business collapsing virus for Mac. Blah blah blah, not a widely popular OS so ‘programmers’ (whoever programs viruses and DARE call themselves a programmer has something coming) don’t build viruses for OS X. Still, your point? I STILL don’t have a virus waiting in my email that is going to destroy my hard drive. My goodness, that one ‘virus’ that was made to prove that there is a gap. Heavens no, God forbid I click on a file that looks like an MP3 file but really opens a message box and plays a song. That would ruin my day. So, count up those additional costs Windows users, and then come back. If I opened up a new Mac right now, I could use it for a LONG time before needing to by software that adds necessary functionality.
What most users don’t realize is that Apple is not the only developer who needs their support. I have a friend who started developing shareware for OSX while OSX was still in beta. His software always received good reviews in magazines such as MacAddict, MacFormat, and a couple of Japanese mags.
The sad part is, even though thousands of people were downloading his software each month, he couldn’t make enough money to pay the bills. He estimated that less than 1% of the people who downloaded his software actually payed for it.
I remember the night that he called it quits. He wanted to show me something and he did a search for his software. He came across the Mac Serial Junkie website. He found a link to a key generator for his game that he spent a year and half developing.
It was really painful to see. Here was a man who dedicated most of his free time to the platform that he loved and belived in, only to be stabbed in the back by his fellow Mac users.
For the price of one OSX update, most Mac users could purchase the 10 – 20 shareware apps that they use the most.
Forget making lists of lists of lists of meaningless junk. You can list 1,000,001 features in each os, find lots of different ways (legal and otherwise) to obtain your OS of choice. In the end these lists are meaningless, a list of 1,000,001 features doesn’t matter if you can’t do what you need on your system, or if it crashes every ten minutes.
OSX 10.2 is a really good OS. 10.3 is even better, but I wish they would decide on one UI type and stick to it, and if they want to do an update make it so that everything uses it, not just one or two apps.
10.4, given how much the past few releases have gone, should be really good. Just like with how Windows XP added some flotsam to the experience, I’m sure there may be a few things in 10.4 that some people won’t like.
So, forget the meaningless numbers and decide what OS you prefer. Give over.
Damien
I have been using Panther for the last few days on my new 15″ Al Powerbook. It is so much improved over Jaguar, which I already thought was good, except for Preview (the pdf viewer which became inexplicably slow in Jaguar when I upgraded from 10.1.5) that I am still recovering from Panther and Powerbook shock. The combination of Powerbook and Panther, in my opinion, makes it the best computer I have ever used.
And now Tiger?
I find it mind boggling that Apple continues to add innovative technologies to an OS and make one salivate for the new features.
I don’t understand all this argument about an upcoming OS. I suggest that we all chill out until Tiger is previewed.I am looking forward to being surprised by what they will preview about Tiger at the WWDC. In the meantime, I suggest everyone to go and buy a Powerbook (or any Mac of your choice) and enjoy Os X TODAY!
I am sick of paying Apple $130 per year so they can remain marginally profitable.
I have paid through the nose for Apple hardware and software for long enough.
I paid for Apple to beta test OS X and it only became marginally usable at Jaguar 10.2. Panther looks nice and appears to be even better but I am not paying for it. I will not pay for any more.
I am switching to Windows or Linux.
Another few things to consider.
As has been mentioned before, OSX releases are more than bugfixes, they tend to be at least on-par with the incremental Windows releases (ignoring the major differences between Win9x and WinNT+). While you pay $130 each time around you get additional funtionality, be it a DVD player, Expose, Quartz Extreme, etc – these all add value to the store price and at that stage you decide if it is worth it.
Also, while very little software will require the latest ‘n greatest OS release straight away, over time you will see software requiring it, e.g. there’s a good amount of commercial and shareware software for OSX that requires 10.3 whereas last Fall there was practically none. The same thing happened with Windows, when Xp was released there was very little that required it but as time went on developers stopped supporting Win9x and focused on XP. The same will happen with Linux, you’ll see software released that doesn’t work on kernel 2.4. It happens, get over it.
The thing that some seem to forget, that some others have mentioned, is that you don’t have to upgrade, you can stay with the OS release and the software you have. The danger there is fairly obvious – newer software stops working and the OS itself is no longer supported with patches/fixes. Again, the choice is yours.
Damien
It was really painful to see. Here was a man who dedicated most of his free time to the platform that he loved and belived in, only to be stabbed in the back by his fellow Mac users.
You obviously have no idea how much easier it is to crack windows software or even find cracks for it.
Not that I condone that in any way; I gladly purchase the software I use.
I will definitely be buying 10.4 with my edu discount. Not because I feel like I have to pay some “annual subscription” which is complete BS, but because I find OSX to be a *joy* to use and know that the future releases will be worth it. I only use my XP box to burn DVDs. Any other time it’s in Linux.
And for the record, I get XP Pro for free through the MSCA and I still choose not to use it. It’s not about price, it’s about the user experience. I find using my Mac much more enjoyable than my XP box. Then again, my XP box spends most of its time doing virus scans, windows updates, and spyware scans, so not much gets done other than burning DVDs.
“just that it took apple that long to catch up. ”
This is retarded. You are picking one feature and claiming that every Apple release since then was a senseless imposed subscription fee in order to catch up to one feature?
Windows still does not have a full color management system. Therefore, they have been trying to catch up to Apple (ColorSync) for 15 years… and they still haven’t caught up. Jesus!
And the only difference between 2.0 and 2.1 was support for AOL. Are you an AOL user? Then you do not need Panther to get any new functionality.
$69 bucks is a steal IMO. I’ll gladly pay it. I see nothing wrong with wanting my hardware/software company of choice to stay in business and make a little money from their work.
Take $69 or even $129 and divide it by an hourly wage — let’s say $25/hr then let’s see you code all the changes to the OS in that amount of time.
I guess the nay sayers are saying that their time is pretty much worthless.
Sorry to hear about your friend, but you’ve gotta accept the risks when doing something like that. Take Mandrake for example, they filed for bankruptcy a while ago, because everyone was just downloading it, and not giving them any money for it, even though it was one of the big Linux distros, they still couldn’t make it.
You should never expect to make a living out of a hobby. As a software developer, I’d LOVE to be able to just sit at home, and work on my pet projects and have the money roll in, but instead, I’ve gotta whore myself out to companies who make me code something boring.
This whole comments section can be summed up by: Are Not! Are To!!
If you want to use Windows, Linux, OS/2, whatever, so be it. I’m a new Mac user, and I’ll have to see a feature list before I go spending money on an upgrade. Some people feel that it’s worth it, good for them. They’re not wasting your money, nor mine, so I don’t care. Do I think my “outrageously overpriced mac” was worth it? Every single penny, over and over.
my iBook G4 with Panther is the best laptop i’ve ever used.
Way faster than the Powerbook G4 550 (mostly 10.1’s fault i think) i used to have (but sadly had to give up), and everything about it, from the Airport to the X-Window support is a joy to use.
Simply outclasses every x86 laptop i’ve ever used, from slimline toshiba porteges to IBM thinkpads to Dell 3GHz desktop replacements.
The iBook was cheap, and great, and somehow I don’t think i’ll have too much of a problem getting 10.4 if it makes this awesome machine even better.
PC’s become obsolete sooner than Macs. The last Macs supported with Mac OS X was the Bondi iMac, introduced in 1998. The PC I have from 1998 can barely run 2000, much less XP Pro. The Bondi (with RAM) runs X like a champ for me. 6 years is pretty good.
“XP Pro cost 299 on day 1. I was using this crap since the beginning of the Whistler days, I followed it every step of the way, I used the “Devil’s Own ” gold disc months before the XP release, and my company bought XP Pro as soon as it came out. It was never 400 dollars, and furthermore, I don’t know of any “Home Full” and “Pro Full” editions. Home is pretty much Pro without the networking portions.”
Adam
There are 4 versions of XP, full versions of Pro and Home, and upgrade versions to take you from 9x to home or pro. Go to a best buy and you will see them. I wouldn’t touch an upgrade version, but never the less they do exist. The 400 just stuck in my head and i remember the 100 dollar increments, but then Home Full and Pro Upgrade may have both been 300 bucks. Maybe my using full was confusing, but thats what i would call XP pro to differ it from the upgrade version. Pretty sure it’s commonly refered to as full.
home full and pro upgrade both 200 bucks
>> I wouldn’t touch an upgrade version,
Why not? It’s exactly the same thing except during installation it asks you to insert an older Windows disk to prove that you have the right to upgrade. You don’t have to install it as an upgrade, a clean install on a wiped hard drive is certainly possible with an upgrade version of XP, provided you have a 9x or 2000 disk to insert for a second or two to prove that you have a previous version.
More than happy with Panther and if Apple can surpass it with Tiger, I’ll be more than willing to pay for it.
http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/macsoftware/33639.html
“Apple’s Ron Okamoto Previews WWDC 2004
17-Mar-04When Apple launched Panther last year, much was made of Microsoft’s sluggishness in getting Longhorn out the door. Tiger’s release might bring that discussion back to the forefront.
However, IDC analyst Roger Kay told MacNewsWorld that comparisons between Tiger and Longhorn might not be as direct as they initially seem.
“They’re saying that they can move faster because of their architecture and release a major revision of their OS every year,” he said. “And it seems like their competitors can only do the same thing once in half a decade.”
But what Apple calls a major release may be closer to a point release at other companies, Kay said. Despite the cute kitty nicknames, the actual names of the most recent OS versions, such as 10.2 and 10.3, indicate that even Apple considers the versions to be point releases, Kay said.
“The fact that they give them cat names may make it really big news in their eyes,” Kay said. “But it’s still a point release.”
ok, interesting, didn’t know that. I was assuming that you had to do a full install with the old first. Oh well, by the time I went to XP I had no windows cds around since i hadn’t used windows in nearly 2 years.
Things I’d like to see… bundled with Tiger
VNC optimized for OS X,
Aqua version of OpenOffice or greatly enhanced AppleWorks.
MySQL 5.0
Improved support for XML in Xcode
Ability to add PDF Bookmarks to any document printed to PDF
Better support for legacy scanners to scan documents/photos into iPhoto w/o 3rd party support, built in OCR functionality
Ability to link objects in EMail, iCal, To Do’s, and AddressBook togeather
Enhance iChat to support other IM protocols (Yahoo, MSN, ICQ, UDP etc)
BTW Family Pack (5 user) of OS X cost $199, no MS OS can hold a candel to that. Being a MS OS user since DOS 3 through the current version and an OS X user since 2002, along with many other operating systems, OS X is by far the best of the best.
I’m not an Apple fanatic the CEO and BoD goes against my politics, but the company as a whole is good for America, and America’s business. The are innovative when it comes to integrating technology and seeing an idea come to fruition.
They understand their consumer market, and are getting better at reaching out to new markets. This is where MS and Linux as a whole are missing the mark. They think that if they make it and they think its cool, people will buy it even if it adds no value to what they do. When Apple releases updates or new versions of OS X the add value to the product that people use. Hence people are willing to pay for the software.
How many people who think it costs to much pay a premium price for cable TV or satilite TV with multiple movie channels that are playing the same crap they played in 1981.
How many people are paying an extra $5.00 for caller ID on their phone vs. just answering it and telling the telemarketer on the other end “No thank you, I don’t need what you have to offer”. How many people have a land line telephone system and a mobile phone, when they could get rid of one, reducing thier communications expenses $25 – $40 a month.
Point is that value is something preceived, some people precive it to be worth their money to pay Apple $130 for each new release of the OS, some don’t. Others preceive paying MS $299 for every release of their OS is worth it, again your choice.
Keep one thing in mind your rights end where another individuals rights begin. You have the right to voice your opinion about what operating system you like and dislike, but you prove nothing by attacking someone elses choice of OS except that you’re insecure with the choices you have made for yourself.
If Jaguar and Panther are any indications as to what’s coming in the future, I’m sure it’ll be Grrrrrreat!
Despite the cute kitty nicknames, the actual names of the most recent OS versions, such as 10.2 and 10.3, indicate that even Apple considers the versions to be point releases, Kay said.
“The fact that they give them cat names may make it really big news in their eyes,” Kay said. “But it’s still a point release.”
If Apple were to number thier release any other way they would have to change the X in MacOS X, Apple I think likes the X moniker because it has mindshare.
Windows 2000 to XP was also a point release, 5.0-> 5.1
There are no standards for release numbering. The linux kernel went from 2.0->2.2->2.4->2.6 would kay consider those to be point releases as well.
Based on previous releases the one thing we can know is that it will run faster on the same hardware.
I guess they will be updating the BSD and OSS stuff (Python, pyObjC, Ruby, Apache, etc.), maybe adding FreeBSD 5 kernel elements to XNU where possible.
But based on previous releases they will also be tweaking the look. I missed upgrading to 10.3 but will probably get 10.4 once it comes out (for my 300Mhz Blue and White G3).
Better to use a Mac and be thought a fool than to use Windows and remove ALL doubt…
:p
i have an idea for Apple to take over the OS market. Since they have Mac OS X ported to x86…(even though they have no intentions of releasing) might as well sell it for 90 bucks for PCs. Beef up the WINE project and throw some money and R&D to make it run practically any Windows apps out there. To make it seem that even though you are running Mac OS X for x86…installing native WIndows apps is a breeze.
$130 a year is nothing. I know people that spend 10 times that or more on cigarettes. At least OS X won’t kill you (well, someone can probably argue against that).
It is in fact $70 for students, which is awesome, ’cause I have no intention of stopping my schooling anytime soon.
I seriously doubt Tiger will drop G3 support, other than the pre-USB machines (which already happened in Panther) simply because Apple was still selling G3 iBooks in 2003. Why would they drop out a user base that soon? They’re silly and make a few poor decisions here and there, but Apple is not flat-out retarded.
No, I didn’t read more 30 posts of the, at this time, 153 comments.
Every point release of OS X has been a major improvement. Tiger will, undoubtedly, be no different. Apple has caused me to build up a lot of faith in their software development teams. Hardware’s another story just ’cause it still costs so much… *sigh*
I won’t make any pro/con Win/Mac/*nix comments here. I just won’t. I’ve used my fair share of OS’s over the years and I’ll just stick with, “I won’t stop using a Mac.”