This is a detailed newbie guide for the net install (ftp install) of the latest SuSE, 9.1.
Newbie guide for the FTP Install of SuSE 9.1
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I would be more interested if the http://www.susediary.com/guides/index.php?guide=bootdvd description can be applied for 9.1 too.
I could have used this a few hours ago. I spent all day trying to get the ftp install to go. Just finally got it kicked off.
Must….resist….urge…to…make…freebsd…comment…..
Suse 9.1 is a great desktop imho. It’s even more polished than its predecessor. For a desktop system I’m sold!
…and how about for home broadband users who don’t have a dedicated router? they’re screwed. this is an annoyance, why isn’t there some way of loading drivers for devices? at least common things like the alcatel speedtouch.
…and how about for home broadband users who don’t have a dedicated router? they’re screwed. this is an annoyance, why isn’t there some way of loading drivers for devices? at least common things like the alcatel speedtouch.
Try choosing Manual installation from the menu and then looking through the drivers they have there. There is a good list of all sorts of kernel drivers you can load before starting installation. Also lets you set up your IP or whatever you need.
I thought it was quite well done.
I had to load up drivers for my nic — they weren’t autodetected for some reason. Chose the right card & was able to proceed as normal.
It was a piece of cake. I was pretty surprised that the mirrors weren’t full, but it all worked fine for me on the first try.
The article here was pretty good too, although I think he made finding the IP address of the mirror sound too difficult. A simple ping of the server will give you it’s IP address.
I really hope they’ll add pppoe support one day.
If you want it a bit more automatic, what worked for me is to burn the boot.iso, and then, at the menu screen(the one where you pick installation, just after it says “welcome” in a whole bunch of languages), press F2, pick FTP(or HTTP)and fill in required info there.
IF you don’t have a DHCP server(read: router), you might have to alter that too, I think it’s one of the F keys, but I haven’t checked, as I do have a router.
then, all the module loading stuff is automatic, it’s just a bit of a wait while it downloads the install image, and doesn’t give a progress bar.
Where is the PPPOE support for ADSL users like me? Suse despite being commercial has totally ignored ADSL users in its boot.iso
There are several other free distros (Gentoo, Sourcemage, Lunar, Arch and others) that support ADSL users from the word go. So, why is Suse ignoring ADSL users?
“There are several other free distros (Gentoo, Sourcemage, Lunar, Arch and others”
You name it, my friend. “Other free distros” implies that SuSE would be free per se — but it’s not. SuSE, unlike the others wants to sell you something, no news here. So, either you know your way around this obstacle or you buy the box. After all, that’s why SuSE is out there, they want your money.
I have bought 9.0 pro and 9.1 pro. Additionally, I downloaded the FTP version of 9.0 as well (for giving it away). I am on a 768 KBit ADSL connection and believe me: It is no fun wget-ting it. Either way, best thing to do is getting the entire directory to your LAN first and install via FTP or whatever you prefer locally.
You can spare yourself loads of time if you don’t download the /src-subdirectory (if you aren’t some Linux super hero, you may not ever need it, at least not upon installation). There is meant to be a function in wget for excluding certain sub-directories, but no matter what I tried, it would ignore my wish to do so. Could someone please post a proper wget line to D/L-ing the SuSE directory without the /src sub-directory, please?!
On a side note, I was always under the impression that suse.com would reside in the US of A physically, while suse.de would be situated in Germany. But I just took it from the FTP readme that the suse.com is in Germany as well.
I have bought 9.0 pro and 9.1 pro. Additionally, I downloaded the FTP version of 9.0 as well (for giving it away).
What stops you from giving the CD versions away?
“What stops you from giving the CD versions away?”
Having stupid arguments about it stops me. For those who know, I give the copies, but before I have to make major strides in discussing + explaining, I give them the FTP version. Either way, there is no problem because if I give them away, they end up as KDE/Gnome-less server installations, so no arguable RPMs end up on the systems. It’s more a convenienve thing for me to have a copy in place everywhere, just in case…
That didn’t really tell us much about the licensing. Is it allowed to copy the CD’es and put them on the net?
I _know_ that you can copy the source to everbody you know, but the GPL/BSD/Open Source doesn’t say anything about the binary part.
I _know_ that you can copy the source to everbody you know, but the GPL/BSD/Open Source doesn’t say anything about the binary part.
Have a look at section 3 of the GPL:
3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:
a) Accompany it with the complete corresponding machine-readable source code, which must be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange; or,
c) Accompany it with the information you received as to the offer to distribute corresponding source code. (This alternative is allowed only for noncommercial distribution and only if you received the program in object code or executable form with such an offer, in accord with Subsection b above.)
From the Guide: Next is the hard part. You have to enter the IP ADDRESS of the FTP server. It took me several trys to figure this out. But after a little research, I found that the IP address can be had via the DIG command on Linux.
You must use the dig command in a terminal to find the IP address of whatever FTP server your using. I was using the ftp://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/suse/ FTP server. Using the dig command : dig mirror.mcs.anl.gov returns one IP address. 140.221.9.138
If you must use windows to get the ip address, try going to some web site, such as http://network-tools.com/ or similar. If you use http://network-tools.com/ select the Express lookup. Simply type in “mirror.mcs.anl.gov” in the blank space just under the first big box of choices on the screen. After pressing “Enter”, it will resolve a traceroute to “140.221.9.138”, and there you have the address. This method works in any browser in any operating system.
If you must use windows to get the ip address, try going to some web site, such as http://network-tools.com/ or similar. If you use http://network-tools.com/ select the Express lookup. Simply type in “mirror.mcs.anl.gov” in the blank space just under the first big box of choices on the screen. After pressing “Enter”, it will resolve a traceroute to “140.221.9.138”, and there you have the address. This method works in any browser in any operating system.
You could also just type http://ftp.suse.com instead of the ip address…:)
It’s SuSE. Not Suse, SuSe or SUSE.
(But I still don’t know how to pronounce it)
I think you will find that although it used to be SuSE, it is now SUSE (or maybe even Novell).
Could someone please post a proper wget line to D/L-ing the SuSE directory without the /src sub-directory, please?!
Not exactly what you asked for, but it should get you there:
-X list
–exclude-directories=list
Specify a comma-separated list of directories you wish to exclude from download (@pxref{Directory-Based Limits} for more details.) Elements of list may contain wildcards.
That didn’t really tell us much about the licensing. Is it allowed to copy the CD’es and put them on the net?
I _know_ that you can copy the source to everbody you know, but the GPL/BSD/Open Source doesn’t say anything about the binary part.
Yes it does, the GPL says (amongst other things):
3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:…
However that doesn’t answer your first question about putting the CDs on the ‘net. The SUSE CDs contain packages under a lot of licences, not just the GPL. Not all the packages on the CDs can be freely distributed on the ‘net, thereofore neither can the CDs.
“I think you will find that although it used to be SuSE, it is now SUSE (or maybe even Novell).”
Yeah. Plus, not only is SUSE now all caps, so’s the LINUX part too. SUSE LINUX. 😀 Read all about the uppercasing and the reasons behind it at: http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-09-30-011-26-NW-SW-…
My point is exactly this:-If free distros can support ADSL out of the box from the word go, why can’t suse being commercial do the same. After all, they are commercial an therefore should be better than the free ones – right?
Any body care to explain this logic?
Err.. yes, we do know that SuSE now is written SUSE _as_well_. To cut a long story short: Go boot up a SuSE 9.1 system + tell me what you see. Then tell me what you see once KDE is up + tell me what you see all over the place.
To make it even shorter, I will tell you what you would see instead: SuSE,SuSE,SuSE,SuSE,SuSE,SuSE….
geddit?!