Rudolf Cornelissen coded for Haiku/BeOS support for AGP cards (AGP cards were previously working on PCI-mode on BeOS) while Siarzhuk Zharski has released a module that allows USB storage devices to be used with BeOS 5.x (however some libraries from Dan0/Zeta are needed for the module to work).
Haiku Gets AGP Support; BeOS 5 Gets USB-Storage
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Eugenia Loli
Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker.
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It’s good to see this improvements for BeOS as it’s still the One ;-P
Rudolf certainly deserves a round of applause, good to see development like this.
Wasn’t that USB storage module released a month or so ago? I am using it for that long, at least. The article makes it look like it was released together with this new AGP bus manager.
No, but together they make a worthwhile article. If it was just one or the other, I wouldn’t post about it. And it was released on July 7th, not so long ago.
Radeon IGP serices started working with existing Radeon driver + this AGP manager.
Previously IGP graphics in BeOS worked only after hot reboot from Win9*.
That’s funny, because i though that users of Rudolf’s own drivers (nVidia, Matrox, NeoMagic) will get some benefits from it first:)
I think proper AGP support is very important to many people though. I mean, it makes OGL acceleration more feasible than it was (for most people)
Try June 7th, 2004.
Nice catch on Rudolf’s new driver release, however. I’m updating TBJ about it now…
-Chris Simmons,
I Use Haiku; You?
http://www.beosjournal.org
I know Eugenia and the other beos zealots are always running around crying about how beos was the greatest os ever, et cetera and how Linux is so behind the curve comparatively.
In all your emberassingly obvious ignorance, you answered your own question. BeOS was.
BeOS was, in its time, probably the best OS. Now, of course, it’s out of place, out of date (even though it’s my main OS).
Great news, this, really!
“I know Eugenia and the other beos zealots are always running around crying about how beos was the greatest os ever, et cetera and how Linux is so behind the curve comparatively.”
It is. It’s six or seven years I’m trying to get on Linux, but I barely managed to get a working basic installation of it. And I’ve got more than ten years of computing experience and programming.
Once I let a Linux zealot install it on my machine. It took two hours to configure everything. And one week later, he told me I had to reconfigure and recompile the kernel to fix something. After four hours, I deleted the partition.
It was two years ago, and last month I thought it was a good time to give it another chanche. Another big mistake. I tried three popular distros and three smaller ones, but no one could complete the installation. There was always a problem or another.
On the same machine (it’s my “crash test” computer), I installed over the time dozens of operating systems, but no one ever gave me so much trouble.
Of course, BeOS worked out the box the very first time I tried it. And was installed in 20 minutes.
“But now I find that BeOS didn’t even have agp and usb mass storage support?! bwahaha. Yes, BeOS rules, if you don’t want to use your ipod, digital camera or 3d acceleration.”
It’s funny to see how in the Linux community nobody cares about things not supported on their favorite OS, and the day after they laugh at whoever cannot use the same hardware in another OS.
“It’s funny to see how in the Linux community nobody cares about things not supported on their favorite OS, and the day after they laugh at whoever cannot use the same hardware in another OS.”
That would be notable if the ‘same hardware’ were not supported in linux (usb mass storage, agp), but it is.
As far as your problems installing linux I’m curious as to what distro you were using. The newer redhat based distros as well as Debian have excellent hardware detection support and the need to compile your own kernel simply isn’t there anymore, unless you are experimenting with something. Binary packages for kernels are available with rpm and deb based distros.
Up untill this point I have never ehard of BeOS. But there is very little information about it. Alot of the links I have tried are dead.
Can some one please point me to a site/s that have relevant news/info about BeOS. I wouldn’t mind taking a look at it.
Can someone explain to me how an AGP card works in PCI-mode? I am not familiar with this concept.
Also you don’t have to be detailed, you can keep it brief if you want.
News
http://www.beosjournal.org
http://www.iscomputeron.com
http://www.begroovy.com
Free download
http://www.bebits.com/app/3892
Buy
http://www.yellowtab.biz
Open Source project
http://www.haiku-os.org
Thank you Koki. The links are greatly appreciated
background info:
http://wiki.bebits.com/page/NewbieInfo
http://wiki.bebits.com/page/BeHistory
http://wiki.bebits.com/
http://web.archive.org/web/20010107181800/www.be.com/
1 place to get it:
http://www.bebits.com/app/2680
software
http://bebits.com/
http://bezip.de/
news
http://news.beosjournal.org/
http://begroovy.com/
http://www.iscomputeron.com/
http://beunited.org/
There are many more locations of interest, but these can get you started. For more info and help you can get in touch with BeOS users directly with a Beshare client (chat and file transfer).
Unizone is one for windows:
http://www.raasu.org/tools/windows/
and BeShare is THE one for BeOS:
http://bebits.com/app/1330
hacks?
This article is nice illustration about beos modularity and well-thought ideas behind it.
Imagine, you shouldn’t touch single bit in kernel, in order to get such new for OS feature as AGP working.
It is not hack.
It is way how BeOS existed and progressed before, when Be Inc was in action.
And remember, that those parts in consideration, which you called hacks, actually are just parts of new OS source code, called Haiku.
Cheers thanks _V_. The wiki sites where a great read. Downloading BeOS 5 PE Max Edition 3.1 Beta at the moment. Seems like a very well rounded OS. Can’t wait to try it
Actually, BeOS had USB mass storage support (over SCSI, like some other known OS-es) since 2000. Unfortunately that version was used internally at Be Inc, as they made unfamous “focus shift” and never published that version until YellowTab got rights to distribute it.
This USB storage functionality was sufficient for year 2000 and Be Inc internal needs.
So, driver (module in BeOS terms) mentioned in Eugenia news, is Open Source (BSD/MIT) (re)implementation of already implemented functionality.
But in much more perfect way and for much wider device range.
I tested this USB storage module, and in reability and in hard stress it clearly bits various manufacturer made drivers under Windows 2000/XP for same devices.
“Eugenia and the other beos zealots”
Hey Eugenia, how do you manage to be a MacOS/Windows/BeOS zealot all at the same time? THat must be hard to do…
That’s hard destiny of author who tries to be unbiased but really likes subject – computer technology, OS-es etc
That’s the whole purpose of Haiku/OpenBeOS. Re-implimenting the entire OS as open source.
An OS is only dead:
When the last person using it, well, stops using it.
Even though my work is in Linux today, my bookshelf has a BeOS Bible and several others gracing its shelves. I store my BeOS Pro and related BeOS software like gold.
BeOS was the victim of corporate focus “shi#” and stupidity.
Can someone explain to me how an AGP card works in PCI-mode? I am not familiar with this concept
AGP is basically just an extension to PCI to allow for the higher data transfer speeds required by 3d video cards. As such, AGP was backwards compatible with PCI to a great enough degree that, just by supporting video cards on the PCI bus, BeOS was able to work with AGP cards as well – with the main drawback being that BeOS can only access AGP cards at PCI speeds.
Yeah we all know linux suck and MS is insecure but BeOS is dead ! There is nothing you can do about. Sure there might be a group of people still writing hacks for a OS with no source code but thats the best you can hope for and it still is not enough
…enough for what? It’s enough for me to make money on, as I use it as the primary OS on both my desktop and laptop. I’m pretty realistic about BeOS’ limitations, but your comment was merely ignorant.
Does it support over 128 MB RAM yet?
BeDoper
http://www.bedoper.com/bedoper
; )
No, seriously. It has links to all of the various BeOS-related projects in the works (Zeta, Haiku, Cosmoe, Blue-Eyed Os, Another One I Can Never Remember), on the right-hand side. And I have two new stories out.
Yes, Haiku boots on machines with greater than 128 MB of memory.
The current limitation(s) for BeOS is 1 GB or 768 MB of memory, depending on the individual video card setup.
Haiku plans to alleviate this shortcoming by setting the upper limit to 2 GB, which is more than reasonable given the target market of the OS.
Larger than 2 GB, I can not say at this time, without advising you to ask the developers further on the issue.
-Chris Simmons,
I Use Haiku; You?
http://news.beosjournal.org
Wher did you get that 128MB from? Unpatched R5 supports up to 512MB. Works for me. You need patches if you’ve got more.
——————
-Chris Simmons,
I Use Haiku; You?
——————
You uses Haiku? Is it already usably?
Tell us more, you Haikuuser!
Not yet, I think he just likes the sound of it
Haiku are not reday yet but I use part of it and BeOSMax
(only apps and prefapps from haiku)
http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/OpenBeOS
http://haiku-os.org/factory/
Yes, I have been using parts of Haiku for over a year now… As each component is completed or during development, I check them out from CVS and see it goes.
The new filesystem has been rock solid for quite a while now, the translation kit is done, the mail replacement daemon is done, the media kit is very far along, and so on.
-Chris Simmons,
I Use Haiku; You?
http://news.beosjournal.org
Does http://www.haiku-os.org/ work for anyone? I haven’t been able to access it since the name change. It resolves, but times out trying to connect.
works fine here.
> http://haiku-os.org/factory/
what is it with beos and isometric icons? 😀
The current limitation(s) for BeOS is 1 GB or 768 MB of memory, depending on the individual video card setup.
Actually, that’s not completely accurate. 512 MB worked fine on my machine, but 768 MB and 640 MB did not.
Adam
it depends on the setup of yor machine. I’m running beos pe r5 max v3 with 1gig of pc133 fine.
Haven’t seen him do these massive commits for a while, maybe he spent time on duplicating keys or something.
Please lock him in the basement again so we can get that kernel working properly…
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