Quite embarrassing. Usually works like a charm, I’m not used to it not working [I should buy a Linux box to keep the skills sharp].
I’ll have to download directly from the website, but I shouldn’t actually have to, should I?
Apple’s software update is a very smooth operation. It’s YOUR choice whether you want to upgrade or not, you’re informed about what the upgrade is actually doing. Security issues are addressed as well as patches to the software.
Apple is doing a fine job of it. Microsoft is also addressing many issues, but a lot of them are – by their own admission, I really needn’t make it worse than it is – frequently of the ‘critical’ variety.
On the upgrade from IE 5 to 6: it cannot have been a coincidence that the development of IE stopped as soon as Microsoft had killed off Netscape. There hasn’t been a new version of IE in what, 4 years now? And it’s still a huge security risk. “IE is an integral part of the operating system” is a great party line and works like a charm to kill the competition, but they haven’t done their users many favors by building so much vulnerability into it.
OS X will let you run whatever browser you want, it’s not going to break your app because it’s not an Apple app. I’ve had four browsers at one time, but I’m actually very pleased with Safari. If it was bad, I wouldn’t use it just because it’s an Apple app.
They’re doing a great job of developing the platform and I can’t wait for the Tiger. It has always been great to drive a Mac, but since Steve came back [and I don’t mean to rev up the flame thrower by mentioning him] we’ve been really spoiled.
Core Audio and Core Image are going to be very strong features.
And I won’t mind the $129 that it’s going to set me back. Longhorn, whenever this century it’s going to be released, is also not going to be cheap because a lot of people have worked an awful long time in developing it. True fans of course know someone who has a cracked version [my standard reply to a Windows faithful of my acquaintance who adores Microsoft software, he just doesn’t want to pay for it – it’s great to hear him say how expensive Apple is *wicked grin*].
Can I update the internals of most PC laptops? NO. Does the majority of PC laptops come with FireWire? NO
Don’t even start on the video for laptops because for the majority of PC laptops you can’t. But you mentioned that a laptop was more upgradeable than a Mini so I thought I would bring up the display, you should have mentioned upgradeable mobility video cards on some PC laptops.
“Actually, it doesn’t. Xserve uses a different chipset/power supply. ”
Heatsink and cooling systems are shared, the iMac G5 is cooled by a convection system primarily and the XServe uses fans with a higher duty cycle. The iMac G5 is essentially a 1U with an LCD attached to it. Your comment is stating the obvious for the whole Mac line, of course the Mini and a PowerMac G5 have different chipsets and power supplies but what we were discussing was the iMac and XServe similarities which you said were none. By the way that is not the only thing they share.
So in an article on upgrading 10.3.9 why bother telling everybody how great and update abundant Windows is? What is your point other than to Troll? Have you updated to 10.3.9 ?
“wow.. you really have no clue what is inside an iMac. ”
So, the iMac is an SMP system that supports ECC RAM, right. Not.
“tell you what.. go play in the PC fanboy playground while the grown ups who actually learn about other hardware architectures and platforms before talking about them have a discussion. ”
I’ve used Macs enough and can read.
“go on now.. tie your shoe!”
Considering what you’re so proud of doing for a living, you shouldn’t throw stones.
“Can I update the internals of most PC laptops? NO.”
The Mac Mini isn’t a laptop. What I SAID (over your head, apparently) is that the Mini has all the disadvantages of a laptop with none of the benefits.
“Does the majority of PC laptops come with FireWire? NO ”
Actually, yes. Mine certainly does. Although, USB2 is becoming more popular. What does Fireware have to do with this?
“Don’t even start on the video for laptops because for the majority of PC laptops you can’t.”
I said no such thing, but then you don’t “read the articles”.
” iMac and XServe similarities which you said were none.”
An iMac is NOT an Xserve in a different case.
“So in an article on upgrading 10.3.9 why bother telling everybody how great and update abundant Windows is?”
I was merely countering the suggestion that Apple’s upgrade treadmill was superior. I didn’t bring up MS first.
“I am done with you… you continue to miss the point and argue in circles.”
You really DID miss my point.
(1) Corporations do not buy OS upgrades.
(2) They want to stay supported.
(3) Apple doesn’t support OS X releases as long as MS does for Windows. This is a fact.
Case in point: your big “but they support 10.2”! 10.2 is less than 3 years old and (based on past performance) will be dropped when 10.4 is released. MS still supports the age-equivalent of Mac OS X 10.0 -> Windows 2000. Paid support is still available for NT4!
If Apple still supported 10.0, you’d have a point. They don’t and you don’t. That Apple doesn’t provide this support is one reason (not the only one) they have nearly zero penetration in the enterprise segment and such abysmal market share. What I find amusing is that you, an Apple customer, vocally support this gravy train for Apple at your own expense….
“go play by ourself in the corner please and leave everyone alone.”
Software Update wouldn’t work for me .
Quite embarrassing. Usually works like a charm, I’m not used to it not working [I should buy a Linux box to keep the skills sharp].
I’ll have to download directly from the website, but I shouldn’t actually have to, should I?
Apple’s software update is a very smooth operation. It’s YOUR choice whether you want to upgrade or not, you’re informed about what the upgrade is actually doing. Security issues are addressed as well as patches to the software.
Apple is doing a fine job of it. Microsoft is also addressing many issues, but a lot of them are – by their own admission, I really needn’t make it worse than it is – frequently of the ‘critical’ variety.
On the upgrade from IE 5 to 6: it cannot have been a coincidence that the development of IE stopped as soon as Microsoft had killed off Netscape. There hasn’t been a new version of IE in what, 4 years now? And it’s still a huge security risk. “IE is an integral part of the operating system” is a great party line and works like a charm to kill the competition, but they haven’t done their users many favors by building so much vulnerability into it.
OS X will let you run whatever browser you want, it’s not going to break your app because it’s not an Apple app. I’ve had four browsers at one time, but I’m actually very pleased with Safari. If it was bad, I wouldn’t use it just because it’s an Apple app.
They’re doing a great job of developing the platform and I can’t wait for the Tiger. It has always been great to drive a Mac, but since Steve came back [and I don’t mean to rev up the flame thrower by mentioning him] we’ve been really spoiled.
Core Audio and Core Image are going to be very strong features.
And I won’t mind the $129 that it’s going to set me back. Longhorn, whenever this century it’s going to be released, is also not going to be cheap because a lot of people have worked an awful long time in developing it. True fans of course know someone who has a cracked version [my standard reply to a Windows faithful of my acquaintance who adores Microsoft software, he just doesn’t want to pay for it – it’s great to hear him say how expensive Apple is *wicked grin*].
“Can I update the internal cards? No. ”
Can I update the internals of most PC laptops? NO. Does the majority of PC laptops come with FireWire? NO
Don’t even start on the video for laptops because for the majority of PC laptops you can’t. But you mentioned that a laptop was more upgradeable than a Mini so I thought I would bring up the display, you should have mentioned upgradeable mobility video cards on some PC laptops.
“Actually, it doesn’t. Xserve uses a different chipset/power supply. ”
Heatsink and cooling systems are shared, the iMac G5 is cooled by a convection system primarily and the XServe uses fans with a higher duty cycle. The iMac G5 is essentially a 1U with an LCD attached to it. Your comment is stating the obvious for the whole Mac line, of course the Mini and a PowerMac G5 have different chipsets and power supplies but what we were discussing was the iMac and XServe similarities which you said were none. By the way that is not the only thing they share.
So in an article on upgrading 10.3.9 why bother telling everybody how great and update abundant Windows is? What is your point other than to Troll? Have you updated to 10.3.9 ?
“Quicktime is a platform, not just the player, so yes, it is.”
Most of the other APIs aren’t backported. As a customer of Apple, you shouldn’t be defending that.
“Umm… XP had a firewall when it was released in 2001… MS changed it in SP2 to be on by default. that is a security patch.”
That wasn’t the only change to the firewall.
“yeah, and apple does it too”
Not for anywhere near as long as MS.
“well.. when a companies OS that dates back to 2001 is the FLAGSHIP OS, MS has almost no choice but to support it.”
Because a version number is oh so important. XP from 2001 is not XP from now.
“that is the only reason MS is doing it.”
You can mindread?
“keep trolling along, I am having fun. ”
Learn the definition of “trolling”.
“the GUI does not need to be 64 bit to use 64bit memory space or 64 bit integer registers. ”
MS isn’t playing “catch-up” here. Windows has been 64-bit for several years now. Having to split a GUI and the backend like that is a real pain.
“IE 7 will be longhorn only, so your argument falls apart.”
You don’t know that. MS hasn’t said.
“wow.. you really have no clue what is inside an iMac. ”
So, the iMac is an SMP system that supports ECC RAM, right. Not.
“tell you what.. go play in the PC fanboy playground while the grown ups who actually learn about other hardware architectures and platforms before talking about them have a discussion. ”
I’ve used Macs enough and can read.
“go on now.. tie your shoe!”
Considering what you’re so proud of doing for a living, you shouldn’t throw stones.
“Can I update the internals of most PC laptops? NO.”
The Mac Mini isn’t a laptop. What I SAID (over your head, apparently) is that the Mini has all the disadvantages of a laptop with none of the benefits.
“Does the majority of PC laptops come with FireWire? NO ”
Actually, yes. Mine certainly does. Although, USB2 is becoming more popular. What does Fireware have to do with this?
“Don’t even start on the video for laptops because for the majority of PC laptops you can’t.”
I said no such thing, but then you don’t “read the articles”.
” iMac and XServe similarities which you said were none.”
An iMac is NOT an Xserve in a different case.
“So in an article on upgrading 10.3.9 why bother telling everybody how great and update abundant Windows is?”
I was merely countering the suggestion that Apple’s upgrade treadmill was superior. I didn’t bring up MS first.
“What is your point other than to Troll?”
Learn the definition of “troll”.
“Have you updated to 10.3.9 ?”
Nope. I have updated to IRIX 6.5.23.
Trolls, please get off this thread. It is for Mac users to determine if doing the update has any issues. Thank you.
I am done with you… you continue to miss the point and argue in circles.
go play by ourself in the corner please and leave everyone alone.
So much Anger from PC users. Anger leads to HATE, HATE LEADS TO FEAR, FEAR LEADS TO XP.
“I am done with you… you continue to miss the point and argue in circles.”
You really DID miss my point.
(1) Corporations do not buy OS upgrades.
(2) They want to stay supported.
(3) Apple doesn’t support OS X releases as long as MS does for Windows. This is a fact.
Case in point: your big “but they support 10.2”! 10.2 is less than 3 years old and (based on past performance) will be dropped when 10.4 is released. MS still supports the age-equivalent of Mac OS X 10.0 -> Windows 2000. Paid support is still available for NT4!
If Apple still supported 10.0, you’d have a point. They don’t and you don’t. That Apple doesn’t provide this support is one reason (not the only one) they have nearly zero penetration in the enterprise segment and such abysmal market share. What I find amusing is that you, an Apple customer, vocally support this gravy train for Apple at your own expense….
“go play by ourself in the corner please and leave everyone alone.”
Are you 4? Seriously?
“Trolls, please get off this thread. It is for Mac users to determine if doing the update has any issues. Thank you.”
Do you post the same statement agains Mac users who pop up in every article involving Windows updates? I’m betting not.
Regardless, learn the definition of “troll”. Thank you.