Home > Gnome > Nickels and dimesNickels and dimes Eugenia Loli 2005-04-26 Gnome 19 CommentsJono Bacon, Stuart Langridge (Aq), Ade Bradshaw, and Matt Revell talk about Linux and whatever else comes along, including The Seth, the Nickell, the Seth Nickell, on usability, interaction design, the Gnome project, and lots of other stuff. About The Author Eugenia LoliEx-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker.Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 19 Comments 2005-04-26 11:49 pm Gnome is my desktop choice, just wish they und<dfix some of the bugs with the apps. 2005-04-27 1:07 am Lug Radio does have some foul language… People who are easily offended probably shouldn’t listen.Yarrr sounds interesting enough, I can’t wait for the promised write up on his blog, which if anyone cares is here:http://www.gnome.org/~seth/check out the luminocity videos if you haven’t already. 2005-04-27 3:11 am So Xandros is the most “evil” because they’re trying to make money and Ubuntu is the least “evil” because it plays well with the “community”. Novell was 2nd most “evil”.At least they recognized the “zealotry assholes” and “sniveling little shits” slashdorks.The interview with Seth Nickels was pretty good.Haha, and they laughed at RMS and said they’ll never ask him to be on the radio because he would insist they call the show GNU/LugRadio.I give them a 3, of being somewhat “evil”, but not totally “evil” 2005-04-27 3:30 am Well worth your time, esp. if you are stuck in traffic. Beats the hell out of radio.Good characters; I could have a few pints with those guys. 2005-04-27 7:59 am I’m glad we’re only “3” evil If you do wanna have a pint with us, then come to LugRadio Live at Molineux Stadium in Wolverhampton on the 25 June. 2005-04-27 11:04 am Love to, but won’t be in the area (plane would be required for me) and I’m overworked. 2005-04-27 11:44 am I just wish they’d actually spend some time discussing things rather than talking/laughing over each other. I really want to listen their shows, but quickly get bored of Jono “I love the sound of my own voice and my opinion is better than yours anyway” Bacon.They’re like some Chris Moyles show wannabies but can’t pull it off. So how about just concentrating on some content guys! 2005-04-27 1:26 pm People are confused about RMS. It is two different things to force everything to be open, or give people a possibility to force the fruits of their labor to be always open.I think it was ok for Linus to use Bitkeeper when it was the best in things that he needed it for, and the only true distributed source management system. But I think it was not ok if he narrowed someone else’s choices by doing that.So I think it is tasteless to openly ridicule RMS. There are still many many reasonable things that he is saying. There are things that these wannabe comedians should learn from him. And there are still much more guts in RMS to state his opinion and stand for something than in any of these “engineers.”RMS thinks freedom, but in a too concentrated form. These guys throw something out and dilute the rest a bit, and try to make the best / most out of it. That is ok, but they should not forget where the original is coming from.Or how would some like to be called “the freeware movement”? Or whatever would there be without GNU? The point is not that we’d owe something or not (although I think we honestly do). The point is that RMS has more good ideas than most of us, even if some, the most extreme, get the most attention. 2005-04-27 1:48 pm that RMS has more good ideas than most of usUh? That’s exactly what damages OpenSource community. RMS is abusing the word “freedom” but, honestly, I see how he was able to do that if someone thinks that RMS has more good ideas than most of us.His model proved weak and unable to cope with a global market. GPL is worst thing ever and doesn’t allow delivery of innovation nor freedom (whatever way). Plus, if I’m not wrong, he’s getting his money from a paid job, not a company delivering OSS software on his own.If more of “you” would think more by your own minds, we could have delivered better things, honestly. This looks a troll posts but it is not. It’s rather a SAD post. I cannot accept someone stating that RMS has more good ideas than most of us… this damages my self-pride.Plus, it looks that RMS is rather marginal now in the OSS scene. How many credits should he get to be able to release a few command line tools? Where’s HURD? Where’s OS Java?I cannot believe my eyes… sad… 2005-04-27 1:49 pm I’m following myself up here because I was a tad harsh in my previous post. Was rather poor form of me and I apologise to Jono and to OSNews too, because I don’t believe silly rants are constructive. My poor excuse was that I was having a stressful day.LUG Radio does its own thing and clearly appeals to many. Personally, I find the majority of discussion difficult to follow because the presenters are often talking or laughing over each other. Plus, the opinions are very biased and lacks objectivity.Still, the guests are great and I’ll probably tune in for those parts in the future. 2005-04-27 4:05 pm Plus, it looks that RMS is rather marginal now in the OSS scene. How many credits should he get to be able to release a few command line tools? Where’s HURD? Where’s OS Java?Without RMS there wouldn’t be free software. Linux would never have gotten anywhere without the GNU toolset. And philosophically the software world would still be rooted in capitalism.So, since RMS is so bereft of influence in your eyes, what great ideas and efforts have you had recently that have had a long term global impact?None? Thought so. Go back to flaming people who worry more about making the world a better place instead of what other people think of them. 2005-04-27 4:21 pm they wouldn’t shill Ubuntu in everything. Not that I don’t like Ubuntu, but honestly… just how far can this “lists” thing go without Ubuntu being at the top of every one.And about RMS… I fail to see what this guy has done that is so wrong. He hasn’t forced anyone to do anything.If you use GPL code, you have to follow its license. No one is forcing you to use GPL code. If you like Microsofts EULA, then use it… you won’t see any code at all that way.Somehow you think you have an innate right to use GPL code however you see fit.GPL code is open to be used under its license, but it is also there to be learned from so that you can write your own version in your own words under your own copyright. You don’t have to take the existing code to benefit from it, you just have to not infringe on that code by improperly using it.And if the GPL isn’t working on the global market, I wonder how it is that programs and services based on it are altogether netting billions each year. 2005-04-27 4:27 pm Come on… There is tons of public domain code out there that has been around a lot longer then RMS. Maybe Linux would not have existed without the GNU toolkit, maybe it would have found a way anyway.Not all/many of us care about “free software”. I don’t need the “software” to be “free”, I only need to free access to use it.Funny part of RMS’s “Free software” is that I can’t use it. Every company I have worked for has policies/rules not allowing us to use GNU software, for fear of legal problems with our in-house software. 2005-04-27 5:51 pm Without RMS there wouldn’t be free software.Lie #1. RMS does not hold a monopoly on free software and there was lots of free software before GNU was even around.[/i] Linux would never have gotten anywhere without the GNU toolset.[/i]Lie #2. GNU is not the only group that can produce compilers, linkers, etc… And philosophically the software world would still be rooted in capitalismAnd the big lie. The software world (as is the world in general) is still rooted in capitalism.Charles, I suggest you read the article about “zeal and adovacy” to understand how people can hurt open source 2005-04-27 8:45 pm Come on… There is tons of public domain code out there that has been around a lot longer then RMS. Maybe Linux would not have existed without the GNU toolkit, maybe it would have found a way anyway.The old coding magazines come to mind in the mid 80’s lines and lines of basic or other languages printed that you could turn into programs or modify to suit your needs. 2005-04-27 11:44 pm I’m thank RMS for his efforts. They have benefitted me greatly.For the rest of you. Flaming somone elses work doesnt make your work worth more… 2005-04-28 3:05 am Totally agree.Despite being British I too _really_ loathe their presenting style, which is like a group of hyperactive thirteen year olds. I have to switch LUGRadio off after a minute or two – it’s that annoying. I miss “The Linux Show” (which is supposed to be returning soon) and their calmer, more mature, approach to things; hope they continue doing show coverage which was always a highlight for me. The only upside to LUGRadio, as you point out, is some of the interesting guests they have on: shame I miss most of them because of my dislike of the presenting style. 2005-04-28 11:43 am 100% disagree with his earlier comment. You guys are perfect…in your own imperfect way. 2005-04-28 2:20 pm The interview with Seth Nickell was OK I guess. It irritated me that every time Seth was just getting into the nitty-gritty of something interesting the hosts cut him off and asked another question. Goodness sake people, here’s a guy who knows what he’s talking about, so let him finish a statement for once.