The first development release of Ubuntu Linux 5.10, code name “Breezy Badger”, is now available for testing. Colony CD 1 is the first in a series of milestone CD images that will be released throughout the Breezy development cycle, as images that are known to be reasonably free of showstopper CD-build or installer bugs, while representing very current snapshots of Breezy. Screenshots are available. If you’re interested in following changes as we further develop Breezy, have a look at the breezy-changes list. Bug reports should go here.
Ubuntu Linux 5.10 Colony 1 Released
Submitted by Jeff 2005-05-18 Ubuntu 43 Comments
When will Kubuntu 5.10 Colony 1 be released. I like gnome & all, but I prefer KDE. Sadly, so many good tools got removed from Kubuntu that made it into Ubuntu, and installing afterwards is a annoyance (ie: FireFox, ThunderBird, quanta, Gaim). I understand that Kubuntu uses KDE, but FireFox, Thunderbird is not specific to gnome – what gives?
> Which does Ubuntu default to the ugly gnome desktop?
> Don’t get impressed by Ximian’s FUD. Gnome is nice but not for joe user. And it looks so ugly.
I don’t think gnome is ugly, in fact I think it’s pretty slick compared to kde (which I guess you’re comparing it with when you talk of joe user).
and anyways this is subjective, for me gnome is also useable.
I know I know, don’t feed the trolls.
Everyone’s praising (K)Ubuntu these days. Maybe i should give in and give it a try.
>I understand that Kubuntu uses KDE, but FireFox, Thunderbird is not specific to gnome – what gives?
well, in fact it uses the gtk widget set so strictly speaking it is related to gnome. especially since kde has konqueror and kmail it should not be needed.
I don’t think breezy has anything particularly new gnome-wise in it since a month ago. The other artwork wouldn’t have changed much yet either. I’d be suprised if anyone could pick a difference between the breezy screenshots and the 5.04 screenshots at this point in time.
I know this sounds like an Apple commerical but we find that customers like the combination of GNOME and Ubuntu. GNOME provides slick, professional and easy to use interface. Ubuntu is a great distribution and Hoary is great. With the Backports project, the latest Firefox and Mono can be running within minutes.
I’m looking forward to Breezy but things are changing too much at the minute to have it as my current OS. Maybe in a month or so when it starts to settle down I’ll give it another go on my machine.
Keep up the good work GNOME, Canonical and the Ubuntu Project. A great distribution. It really shows off how Linux is a modern distribution with all the features of Windows which appeals to ‘switchers’ from Windows.
I hope this time they’ll put decent stuff onto the CDs like NTFS, official NVIDIA drivers and fix that worthless installer. For human beings… pfff
XFCE’s LiveCD was much better than Ubuntu. I could watch my AVIs and music out of the box.
Actually ubuntu’s default theme is using one of the most popular theme-engines as of late. It’s popular for it’s good looks and speed. It’s called clearlooks, which is actually the most popular theme on gnome-look.org
What I wanted to ask was, there are many themes that use this engine, and there used to be a mega pack for it, that included a milk like theme, chocolate milk for a darker theme, and a few other really good looking themes, but I can’t seem to find them now.
Anyone know what happened to htese?
Is it possible to change from hoary to breezy using apt on amd64 at all?
ah its just way to early to see an actuall improvement
Doing a bit of searching I found this big pack for the clearlooks engine:
I believe this was the same big pack, but I noticed a few omissions like as i mentioned milk, choc milk.
I have them from my previous linux install, but they were made at the time of clearlooks 0.4, current being 0.5.
So I’m not sure if there is any issue if I just copy them over and I’m still curious why some of the great themes were dropped.
Anonymous has some good points. I use and prefer Gnome over KDE and the like, but it’s far from perfect. Some of you seem completely blind to any of its flaws.
No DE is perfect. I find Gnome very hard to get around and configure, tho I do like certain features like showing the number of files in a folder without even having to click on it. What we KDE users find frustrating about Gnome, you Gnome users overlook as well. And I’m willing to look past certain shortcomings about KDE, too. So it’s a two-way street. Just depends on your point of view.
“tho I do like certain features like showing the number of files in a folder without even having to click on it”
Set System>Preferences>File Management>Display>Icon Captions to do that
Thanks anyway, but I don’t use Gnome and don’t plan to start. It was just an observation. I’m a diehard KDE fan.
Oh, also. Most KDE users may use The Gimp, and Firefox (non-Gnome apps). But tell me, how many Gnome users use K3B for quality burning? And that needs QT and the huge KDELibs. I laugh in your general direction.
I hope they get the sound working in this release. Using the great ubuntuguide.org the sound on my laptop sputters. I put Mepis on the same machine and the sound works great.
Still, I liked Hoary and will have to try Badger.
as far as I know you can. the x68 and powerpc versions of breezy are working fine, so i don’t know why amd64 shouldn’t.
you can use the package manager of your choice (apt-get, aptitude, synaptic) – just change all the instances of “hoary” to “breezy” in your sources.
*i’ve done it myself but take no responsibilty if your computer explodes.
no more k3b needed
Actually, it’s not a GNOME issue, it’s an ALSA issue that can (and does) just as easily affect KDE. It’s distro-independent too (I’ve experienced it on Mandrake, RedHat, and Fedora too). Essentially, when installing a distribution for the first time, the volume of the speaker is initially set to 0. Sound is created, but you just can’t hear it.
The solution is simple, just turn up the volume, but it is annoying. I’ve never really found out what ALSA starts out with such a weird default.
So, there’s always flames to fan.
It all really comes down to choice.
Hopefully with the arrival of HAL (http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=4691), we’ll be able to mix and match GNOME and KDE functionality.
Oh, also. Most KDE users may use The Gimp, and Firefox (non-Gnome apps). But tell me, how many Gnome users use K3B for quality burning?
As far as I know GNOME users are using Graveman or Gnome Baker both GTK+ applications, or they simply use nautilus.
First, I’d like to say that if you want to see the Badger, I would install from CD and not apt. The version in apt is updated constantly. The CD version is one that the Ubuntu folks think is stable. If you know what you are doing (or don’t care about screwing up your machine) you can update right off Badger, but right now there won’t be huge changes. Of course, when the huge changes come you are likely to break your system until they are stabalized.
As for the whole KDE/Gnome spat (yeah, I should resist, but I won’t), there probably won’t be a Kubuntu until the release gets much closer (to beta quality rather than the current pre-alpha). Frankly, if one were to run Badger right now, it wouldn’t make a bunch of difference. There just hasn’t been enough time since the 5.04 release. As you can see from the screen-shots, almost nothing has changed and you could always update from apt (although I would advise against it).
Also, GTK+ apps are kinda for Gnome and QT apps are kinda for KDE. It isn’t an exclusive thing, but it’s kinda how it goes. Kubuntu doesn’t include Firefox or Thunderbird (of course, Ubuntu doesn’t use Thunderbird either), but KDE has Konqueror as its browser of choice. Now, if you are a KDE user, you might prefer Firefox, but Konqueror gives the KDE-experience so to speak. Of course, Epiphany gives the Gnome experience more than Firefox, but Firefox relies on GTK2 for its stuff on Linux so it feels right at home in Gnome while in KDE it feels more like a Gnome app running in KDE. With Gaim, it’s more clear because it is a GTK+ app with a little Gnome integration. KDE even has its Kopete competitor. Kopete gives the KDE experience a lot more than Gaim does. Frankly, we can question default applications all we want, but it isn’t a conspiracy. I mean, there are many GTK PDF viewers, but XPDF is the one that ships with Ubuntu. They aren’t trying to make either desktop crappier with their choice and one can always install what they like from apt.
I prefer Gnome, but I come from a Macintosh background and Gnome looks and feels a lot more like a Macintosh than KDE. I also prefer simpler applications with fewer buttons. If you don’t like Gnome, use KDE or something else. If you don’t like the packages that ship with Kubuntu (or Ubuntu), tell the developers. I mean, they might have just thought that they didn’t want to confuse people with more than one web browser and so they went with the KDE default. This is free software and you can make it better even just by coming up with a nice proposal for the developers.
“I hope they get the sound working in this release. Using the great ubuntuguide.org the sound on my laptop sputters. I put Mepis on the same machine and the sound works great.”
Reportedly the “scratchy sound” problem’s been fixed in Alsa’s latest dev releases (1.0.9rc3)
Thanks. I wasn’t aware it was an issue with ALSA. Just strange that it worked on Mepis, not Ubuntu.
I still think there needs to be something done though. A user shouldn’t have to follow the UbuntuGuide to fix the sound, it should work automatically (well, most of the time). I gather it was better in Warty.
I like the distro and Gnome is even growing on me. Something missing about it.
I’ve used KDE and GNOME from day one. Back in 1997 GNOME felt like it was a couple of years behind KDE (because it actually was). And today it still feels like it’s a couple of years behind. Sorry GNOME fans but it’s the truth. KDE is faster, easier to configure, and visually better then GNOME. Back then and still today.
GNOME has come a long way, but so has KDE. Everytime GNOME gets better KDE gets better too. And till this day, still I use both and still GNOME feels behind. Sorry.
I’m being honestly objective. I’m not a fanatic of either desktop. I go back and forth between them both but KDE has always been the better of the two.
The people around Gnome are just developing a good desktop environment, whereas the KDE people obviously try to break the world record in putting an unlimited number of icons on every window. This is a shame for both the open source world and every serious programmer.
I have an old Compaq Presario 1255 laptop that I’d previously loaded Mandrake 9.1 on. Since I didn’t have anything critical on it, I d/l’d Kubuntu 5.04, burned an ISO, and installed it. So far, I am really pleased with it. I’m planning on switching my server PC from Mandrake 9.1 to Kubuntu as well.
As for the 5.1 version, I will probably wait until later in the cycle.
As for KDE/Gnome, both are fine environments. My personal preference is KDE, but that’s all it is — preference.
You can’t make any criticism about Gnome or Ubuntu without having comments deleted. Sheesh. How are things going to be improved if the truth is hidden? Gnome and Ubuntu both need criticism in order make them WORK as they say they, but doesn’t yet! Same goes for KDE!
I just want to pick the apps I like without choosing sides in some holly war you have going on between kde and gnome.
I know I may split hairs with this one–>
I prefer the look and feel of gnome, but hate that I am forced to use nautilus over konqueror.
However, I can’t stand nautilus. Konqueror allows me to conserver screen realstate and perform more powerful operations. I love kioslaves and multiple locations open that are tabbed. Nautilus seems too much like windows explorer and doesn’t seem to have the power/extensiblity that konqueror has. Nautilus seems to repaint slower. Nautilus requires more screen realestate(multiple windows open) to handle move to/copy operations.
Nautilus would be much better if it support multiple “tabbed” locations.
I may pick gnome for my default enviroment, but I am not going to feel guilty about using/prefering [amarok, kpdf, kate, krename, kaffine and konqueror(though firefox for web browsing)]
There are many gnome/gtk apps I love as well. However, just let me use my apps. Why is it wrong to use kde apps under gnome??
hope this time they’ll put decent stuff onto the CDs like NTFS, official NVIDIA drivers and fix that worthless installer. For human beings… pfff
You forgot that Ubuntu is a open source product that will never include those listed packages due to patent issues.
> You forgot that Ubuntu is a open source product that
> will never include those listed packages due to patent
So what happens when GNOME starts shipping MONO applications, MONO has patent issues itself. Will this offer users a half Desktop due to half of the things missing because of patent issues ?
It cracks me up to no end how much some will complain about Linux. Look, its a free and community developed OS. If a third of those complaining used the same time it took to whine about an aspect of Linux and learned how to make that part work we ALL would be better off. Not to mention you would have had a more positive effect on our community!
Don’t forget there a alot of people who give time to these projects. Isn’t it nice to have an alternative!
I prefer KDE to the spartan look of Gnome, but I’m not going to get into that. I have tried until I’m blue in the face to burn a live CD of Kubuntu and all I get is coasters. I’ve tried both Nero & Roxio. I have no problem burning live CD’s of other distro’s; I just burn an iso of the image. What’s so different about Kubuntu?
… or do I have to download and install the package from the repositories? Does anybody know?
Maybe you got a bad iso image (i.e. corrupted during the download)? I didn’t have any problem with either the live or install versions of Kubuntu Hoary.
I’m actually typing this on a brand-new laptop install of Kubuntu. Very nice distro, but still a bit rough around the edges.
I beleive that this is reason that GNU/Linux is having trouble moving into the business sector. To frequent release cycles. A steady 18 to 24 month release cycles would be better for businss to adjust. 6 Months is fine for the hobbiest, but not in the real world.
Aren’t the Ubuntu releases all supported for a minimum of 18 months? If so, what’s the difference whether a new release is done every six months? As long as the previous release is still supported, there’s no need to upgrade. The fast release cycle allows new software in for those who want it, and people who need more stability can stick with the older supported releases.
What about Novell SLES and RHEL?
18 months of support is not the same as a release cycle Red Hat amd MS both offer support for years after a release. MS is still offering support for windows 2000 however, I think it ends in June. I am not a windows Supporter, and advocate the use of GNU/Linux where I believe it will benefit an organization. I am not talking about a home user but a bank for instance that may have hundreds of servers and 100’s of thousands of clients. You don’t want to have to change hunderds of servers every 18 months when support runs out. In situations like these a good system adm is priceless, but that system adm knows that they always have support to call when the heat is on. That comes from experience.
As you yourself say, Red Hat offers support for years after a release. Red Hat also releases a product intended for the kind of heavy enterprise use you’re talking about. Ubuntu is a fairly new, free-as-in-beer, general-purpose distribution. For the kinds of users it’s attracting, it’s release and support cycle is fine. Would a bank with hundreds of servers use Ubuntu? Probably not. But how does that hurt the adoption of Linux in the business sector, as you claim above? You yourself point out that there are Linux companies to fill that role.
I guess I just don’t understand the criticism. Someone releases some free software, adopts a quick release cycle, and supports each release for 18 months. Users who want new software fast are happy. When it’s time to upgrade to a newer supported release, users can do so without re-installation, and even without a CD. Big companies go on using enterprise-level products and paying through the nose for huge support contracts. Who gets hurt here, and how?
Let me start out by saying I am a GNU/Linux supporter. I was not talking about only Ubuntu, but GNU/Linux in general. There are millions of small companies that can’t afford Red Hat and may look to say Fedora, Ubuntu or Mandrake, (Mandriva) and many others. these distros all have very fast release cycles which confusses upper management. Also with each change DE’s change slightly confussing the workers. Most people don’t have the computer knowledge that we take for granted. Small changes like moving a desktop icon can result in many tech support calls. I see this sort of activity every day.
That’s user incompetence, not the distro’s fault. Those folks will have problems with XP.