Bink.nu is the first site to post some real IE7 screenshots that show, amongst other things, some suspiciously familiar RSS abilities.
First IE7 Screenshots
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Looks pretty good to me. I hope it doesn’t crash as often as Firefox 1.0.4 on my machine.
Anyway I’m still not sure if I should ever switch back to IE, unless they fix the security issues.
Those aren’t screenshots, they’re bad shots of a computer screen… How about some that don’t look like they were snuck out of comdex or some other computer show?
Yes, it does look a lot like Safari RSS. It’s a ripoff, actually. Think they’re still doing that stuff to this day with so much cash backing them up.
hard to see, but I think it looks kind of Safari-like.
Interesting to see the search bar at the top. I wonder which search engine that uses ;-)?
Why can’t Microsoft copy a decent browser, like Opera, where you can search from the address bar? It’s just inane to use a seperate bar for searches.
i hope it crashes as often as firefox on my machines….NEVER!
oh wait, what do i care i will still be using FF
Can’t beat’em, might as well join them.
MS with all it’s high paid engineers rips off Apple again. Can’t your engineers actually work?!
looks like a browser…. if all that top junk is part of the browser then i hope you can turn it off, i like to browse pages not stare at half my screen filled up by my browser…
I don’t get the point of so much propaganda against this RSS support in IE7 in almost every tech site…
Wasn’t MS the first to offer RDF sindicalization with it’s active desktop? It didn’t get much support at the time, but now, a lot of web sites are using standard tools to build them and these tools provide easy RSS support to the site… IMHO, the web has matured about this kind of content and tools to use it are maturing too… like desktops offering more and more tools as the hardware evolves.
I’m not pro or anti MS… nor pro or anti Apple or whatever… I just, really, don’t get it…
But at last it’s going to be the most secure browser ever. Can’t be less secure than Firefox anyway.
I think we’ll all take that the only way we can – as a joke.
Isn’t that Longhorn? Just checking cause it really seems like it
Everyone here seems to be claiming that MS is copying features and design from Safari, but I don’t understand why. It’s quite possible that I am simply ingorant, but I don’t see anything new to IE7 that would guarantee inspiration from Safari. After all, it’s hardly the only browser with an integrated RSS reader or tabs (Opera, Firefox, various IE shells)… You can’t tell much about the GUI design from those pictures, but I can see nothing blatantly similar to Safari. All browsers will look alike to some extent, remember, because they are serving the same purpose. Again, please inform me if you know better.
This news site is now showing daily Microsoft vapourware announcements.
Less stories about vapourware and more about actual released products that it is actually possible to do something with please.
Please note that MS haven’t ripped Apple off. Microsoft placed “Title” before “Date” at the “Sort by” options……
– That’s because MS are the ones who really invent stuff.
MS would never ever rip someone else off – Never !!
Actually MS is quite happy that Mac OS X Tiger has been released, because now they can finally start working on Longhorn.
Remember: An original is better than a bad copy 🙂
If it forces you to use MSN search, I won’t be impressed…
Not that I’ll be using it anyway, lol.
RSS is a mature technology. Opera has it. Firefos has it. Even IE has it using third party plugins. There are even stand alone readers.
When Safari entered the RSS world, it was long overdue. You can’t say that MS copies Apple, when Apple was one of the last companies to do this… If anything MS integrated what plugins, Opera and others had been doing for a long time.
Apple didn’t invent RSS, nor are they the first to the playing field, but the rss reader in safari looks EXACTLY like the screen shots for IE 7. So before you go off trying to say that apple didn’t inovate, so its ok for Microsoft not to inovate, that is NOT THE POINT! If those screen shots are real, then microsoft blanetly copied the safari layout for rss reading.
So remeber, before you post, know what your talking about; it really helps the conversation. Or you could go over to slashdot, and post your “I didn’t read the story, nor do I know what xyz is, BUT I THINK……” responses.
This news site is now showing daily Microsoft vapourware announcements.
Less stories about vapourware and more about actual released products that it is actually possible to do something with please.
Translation: I dislike Microsoft, so you should post fewer stories about them.
That certainly resembles Firefox, really… and perhaps Safari too. Now that the folks at MS have the followers developers at Mozilla have a reason to continue innovating as otherwise they’ll lose it.
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This is Microsoft, so everything is automatically a rip off. You know what? Safari was a rip off of IE, Opera, Firefox, Netscape, etc. Doesnt matter, since according to the double standards rule, Apple was innovating, while MS was just ripping something off again. As soon as I saw the article I was wondering how many anti MS trolls would mention the words rip off.
Actually, Safari showed this last June but didn’t release it til April. Gave time for everyone else to implement the feature and release it before Apple.
These are not very interesting. We can hardly see the screenshots.
@emagius
“Why can’t Microsoft copy a decent browser, like Opera, where you can search from the address bar?”
How do you know they won’t include address-bar search? After all, both Opera and Firefox do, and yet both also provide a search field by default.
@ traveller
“This news site is now showing daily Microsoft vapourware announcements.”
Well, what do you expect? Microsoft said that they were going on a major press push (with info leaking out drop by drop) in order to build up Longhorn hype. You expect news sites to not fall for –er, I mean, not report the news?
The menu bar should be located at the top of the window. Putting it below the toolbar(s) is just plain wrong.
I’ve seen many longshot^h^h^h^hhorn screenshots that look like this. I sure hope they correct this before it is released.
I’m really curious how this can be a rip off. Browsers all look the same for the most part. How different can you possible make them.
Lets see, need a big space for the web-page, everyone puts it at the bottom. Then need a place for a few buttons, a url box, yeah, everyone has those, puts them at the top. etc etc.
Seriously, your not going to make browsers look much different, if you made one suddenly much different, it would probably be a bad design, they are what they are cause it works well.
Not that you can tell much from the shots, but it just looks like they cleaned IE up some, reduced some clutter. It’s probably running that theme for longhorn that is kinda brushed metal looking.
If they come out with something that is a refreshing clean look, has tabs, has pop up blocking, then firefox’s growth is done.
How do you know they won’t include address-bar search? After all, both Opera and Firefox do, and yet both also provide a search field by default.
IE (since 5.0 I think) already provides searching form the address bar. (Un)fortunently it only searches MSN, but I think you can use Powertoys to change that.
@ traveller
“This news site is now showing daily Microsoft vapourware announcements.”
Well, what do you expect? Microsoft said that they were going on a major press push (with info leaking out drop by drop) in order to build up Longhorn hype. You expect news sites to not fall for –er, I mean, not report the news?
It’s funny that people writing this are so uninterested into this news that they even comment, discuss and argue it…
IE has been able to search from the address bar since IE5 (possibly even 4), and that ability is even extended with TweakUI.
It looks like they ported safari to windows… poorly…
“As soon as I saw the article I was wondering how many anti MS trolls would mention the words rip off.”
That’s funny, as soon as I saw the article I was thinking to myself, “I wonder how many Windows fan-boys will have the moral courage and fortitude to stand up and defend Microsoft on their ernest attempts at innovation.”
Honestly, I did.
Is the one with IE7 correctly rendering ACID2.
I’ve seen many longshot^h^h^h^hhorn screenshots that look like this. I sure hope they correct this before it is released.
What? You must not be a long time user of Microsoft software. In Microsoft parlance an “upgrade” means you take the last release, add some color to it, and rearrange the menus.
I think Longhorn is fairly complex, so instead of rearranging each individual menu item, they decided to just move the whole menu structure around to save time.
The browser window itself obviously looks similar to Firefox, Safari, and any browser, but that’s not what people are talking about.
Rather, the “RSS Display” screenshot looks EXACTLY like Safari’s feed display view. The layout is identical, the colours are nearly identical, and all of the options are in the same places relative to each other.
For reference, this is a feed view in Safari RSS:
http://rifers.org/downloads/bamboo/feeds_ss.png
Now compare that to the RSS Display view in IE:
http://bink.nu/photos/news_article_images/picture9241.aspx
See? It’s like they didn’t even TRY to make it look different.
That’s a Photoshopped screenshot of Safari. You’ve all been Kicked In The Nuts. Hurts, doesn’t it?
Why can’t Microsoft copy a decent browser, like Opera, where you can search from the address bar? It’s just inane to use a seperate bar for searches.
Or better yet, why not drop the whole IE core, and replace it with Webkit/Safari, and dump a nice Win32/Winforms interface ontop?
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“It’s funny that people writing this are so uninterested into this news that they even comment, discuss and argue it…”
I for one am interested in the news, I just wish that MS wouldn’t be a c***-tease and lay down all their cards at once. Also, I’m amused that their trickle-leak strategy seems to be working.
“The screenshot I want to see Is the one with IE7 correctly rendering ACID2.”
I don’t think MS has much incentive to break backwards-compatability with much of the web.
Why can’t Microsoft copy a decent browser, like Opera, where you can search from the address bar? It’s just inane to use a seperate bar for searches.
The abilityto search from the address bar has IE since at least version 5. type either “search [term(s)]” or “? [term(s)]” in the address bar and it will search on via the search system you specify in the search preferences.
Wow, Microsoft ripped off black text on a white background from Apple!
(rolls eyes)
Now go back and really look at the two pictures. There are myriad differences:
A few:
* Safari puts the RSS feed title in a blue bar across the top, IE7 doesn’t
* IE7 colors each post’s title, Safair doesn’t.
* IE7 Nests follow up comments, indenting them underneath the head of the thread. Safari displays unthreaded.
* Safari shows a comment total in the blue title bar. IE7 doesn’t show a comment total.
* While both displays have a search column on the right they have different options available to each user.
Now I know it’s far eaiser to just go “Microsoft STOLE!!!” instead of actually looking at something with a critical eye each time they come out with something. But, good God you zealots are really reaching on this one.
Now, for all who said, “MICROSOFT STOLE FROM APPLE!” prove here that the RSS display on Safari is 100% Apple’s original design. It will be interesting to see all of you try to prove that black text / white background, non-threaded chronological views, and a search bar are all Apple’s original idea.
I, personally, can think of at least a half dozen NNTP & RSS programs that came predate Safari and have a similar layout.
Why it does it take Microsoft so much time and cost them so much money and resources just to catch up to what a bunch of programmers can put together in their spare time.
I’m not impressed by Microsoft’s slowness and great expenditure and fanfare spent in achieving what others achieved earlier at much less cost and in much less time.
They’re certainly not economical. Pity they’re in control of so much money spent on software. If only there was more competition in the OS market… If only the wealth spent on software was more distributed throughout the economy instead of centralised in Microsoft, we would be seeing rapid advances through great innovation. Microsoft is always spending great resources playing catch up, then once holding a monopoly position, holding back innovation and improvements in efficiency, just for their own great centralised wealth.
Can I expect anything new and innovative from the new Internet Explorer?
I can’t help but laugh over the MS attempt to make a decent web browser. For those that can’t see the resemblance to Safari: You people really need go see the doctor. Seriously.
When this thing actually gets to be released, I can see the headlines: “Microsoft innovates once again introducing features on its award winning web browser like tabs and RSS/RDF feed.” And of course, it will be followed by those honest testmonials: “Man… This new features increased my productivity in 200%. Thanks, MS!!!” 🙂
And then John Dvorak will predict once again that Microsoft competitors in the web browser arena are doomed. (Probably DiDio will come up with something equally stupid). Actually, you don’t have to wait until its release to see such bullshit… Just look at some of the previous comments.
For those living on denial or under a rock for the last several years, here is a shocking snipbit: You don’t have to wait for IE7 to have such features (even if you won’t ditch IE for save your life). You can get this using one of the various IE-Shells available everywhere.
Until Microsoft do not get their act together and get rid of its security issues and get rid once and for all of ActiveX, it will be a cold day in hell before one of the people that already saw the light comes back to use IE again.
when it comes down to it Microsoft steals or buys innovation, if you can get away with it, then good ****S to you. Apple does the same thing.
Microsoft Buy out innovation, Apple takes opensource, barely helps the base software that they forked off, and call it there own innovation, i have seen apple innovation it is called os 9.
then its user complain that everyone is stealing from apple, at least most of windows was developed my microsoft (which may be bad or good) apple just knocked up unix with a UI and really bad file system (sure they have done good stuff, most the hard work of the OS was done by someone else).
i actaully had some one tell me bacause there is a longhorn skin that is silver and has shadows, it is a OS X knock off, he actually said it looks exactly like tiger, i couldn’t stop laughing, the look and feel to longhorn is its own, and if you did not know, the fastest web browser in the world is still IE (maybe its because all the security holes). oh and if it were not for KDE, safari would not exists, and don’t say apple would have made one, they had a really long time to make one, from the start of the browser wars to about half way into OS X, heck most that time apple users were using IE or netscape.
and so the RSS reader looks a *little* like tigers, so, some of the RSS reader plugins for firefox are close to it as well, is that all apple is worth a layout, and it is not exaclty the same, i have sat infront of a mac for a while, i think tigers is a better format with its sidbar, and tigers doesn’t looks as spares,
silly mac user don’t you know lying will not help anyone
oh, and i am a long term linux user, don’t even have a copy of xp on my hd, so non of that.
Everyone keeps complaining about the trickle down press releases on Longhorn and IE7. But open source is doing the same thing; cairo, xgl, xrender, xaa, exa… none of this shipment ready. If open source was supposed to better than proprietary software why are they doing the same exact thing – airing all the vaporware possible on any given day of the week.
or does the UI elements look strangely like a familiar WM *cough* KDE or Gnome *cough*
In fact I had to hit my kvm over to my ubuntu server and look at a Window. They’re obviously ripping off the “feel” a little bet it seems.
That’s funny, as soon as I saw the article I was thinking to myself, “I wonder how many Windows fan-boys will have the moral courage and fortitude to stand up and defend Microsoft on their ernest attempts at innovation.
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I’m not saying that IE7 is innovative. I think calling it just a rip off is going a bit far.
“woawwww what a beautiful window !”
— what interest us is not how it looks but how it RENDERS !
Imitation is the sincerest of flattery.
— Charles Caleb Colton, Lacon, volume I, no. 183 (1780 – 1832)
Expecting next week’s newsworthy post that MS has added the unique and innovative shortcut CMD-Q for QUIT and that you have to wait for Longhorn to use it..
an extra search bar is really not needed, i agree about that. It just sits there for the newbies or dummies and that’s ok.
But what’s the big fuzz about safari ? – it’s just a simple browser using core Konqueror tech (bc. crapple didn’t manage to get something done on their own)
The interface is simple, the functionality is simple, nothing special. And safari still fails on certain webpages and THAT sucks.
So I’m curious what IE7 has to offer, esp. under the hood. Those screens say nothing.
The icons look very… KDEish. Also can we use the “Print Screen” key next time. Good to see the ‘ol MS keeping up with 2004 technology.
I am a “ms fanboy” some what. IE 7 looks like a$$. Never seen safari so I can say its a rip off. If thats what the final product looks like then I say someone need a foot up their a$$.
I was looking forward to IE7 coming out but Im thinking maybe Ill stick to Opera & Avant.
“an extra search bar is really not needed”
If you limit yourself to Google/MSN/whatever – no. But you’ve obviously never experienced the power of plugable search engines (e. g. Mycroft or AcidSearch).
“The interface is simple,[..]”
.. which is a good thing. Harder to develop but easier to use. You’d rather read/write raw HTTP code?
“And safari still fails on certain webpages”
Web developers still fail to produce standard complaint pages. That SUCKS. Last time I checked, Safari passed ACID2. And IE?
BTW:
IE is just a simple browser (tied to the OS so people can’t really get rid of it) using core NCSA Mosaic tech (i.e. M$ didn’t manage to get something done on their own).
Happy waiting in the internet stone age..
“The screenshot I want to see Is the one with IE7 correctly rendering ACID2.”
I don’t think MS has much incentive to break backwards-compatability with much of the web.
What does backwards-compatibility have to do with anything? You can have backwards-compatibility and render css correctly, you know. They don’t even have to rip out activeX for all I care, as long as I don’t have to use it.
But you’re right about one thing. Microsoft doesn’t seem to have much incentive.
“Expecting next week’s newsworthy post that MS has added the unique and innovative shortcut CMD-Q for QUIT and that you have to wait for Longhorn to use it..”
Actually, you can already close IE with Ctrl+Q (or at least Ctrl+W, but if you only have one window open, that’s the same on Windows).
Btw, isn’t it called “flattering”?
@arcasas
“Why it does it take Microsoft so much time and cost them so much money and resources just to catch up to what a bunch of programmers can put together in their spare time.”
1. Because they feel the need to maintain massive backwards-compatability.
2. I believe that most core Mozilla hackers work on the browser full-time.
3. The code-bases they plug into and interact with at a deep level are really, really big. Complexity is hard.
That said, I agree with your general rant on MS holding back the industry.
@Vince
“If open source was supposed to better than proprietary software why are they doing the same exact thing – airing all the vaporware possible on any given day of the week. ”
Probably trying to attract new developers to their projects.
Safari is already much better then Konqueror. If there’s one company that can do things on their own it has got to be Apple.
But you probably think that Microsoft coded up IE by themselves
You need to get a life ASAP!
No, i know that IE is (originally) based on mosaic. (or was it the other browser).
I just don’t like hype, it brainwashes too many ppl. eof.
And I don’t even own a Mac, so the resemblance is very close if even I can recognize it that easily.
I think it was spyglass. Anyway, I just got a little annoyed by the ‘Apple uses other people’s tech‘ comments in this thread. As if Microsoft doesn’t buy companies left and right, or plain copies stuff. At least Apple comes up with products by themselves every once in a while.
“Why it does it take Microsoft so much time and cost them so much money and resources just to catch up to what a bunch of programmers can put together in their spare time.”
1. Because they feel the need to maintain massive backwards-compatability.
2. I believe that most core Mozilla hackers work on the browser full-time.
3. The code-bases they plug into and interact with at a deep level are really, really big. Complexity is hard.
#1 and #3 are by design. If Microsoft would take the unix mantra to heart, they might be more nimble; ‘small tools well done’ vs. ‘1 tool that is tied into everything’.
The benifit is that you can modify the hell out of any one part and retain backward compatability by phasing in the new interfaces over time as the primary method. Till then, the old stuff hangs around and is depreciated only when it is safe to do so.
#2 — If Microsoft can’t get programmers to work on things that are important, no company can.
That said, I agree with your general rant on MS holding back the industry.
Like all entrenched organizations, they do not change anything unless absolutely necessary.
“If open source was supposed to better than proprietary software why are they doing the same exact thing – airing all the vaporware possible on any given day of the week. ”
Probably trying to attract new developers to their projects.
I’d add to that;
* Propriatory software; secrets are important tools to marketing. Thus, you only see the mockups early (if at all) and hear the hype since there is no way to proove the validity of an early claim.
* Open source; secrets are only briefly important, and quickly become barriers to project sucess. Thus, you see the code sooner but might not be able to use it in any practical way for months or years. It’s there…not vapor…just not usable right away.
It’s look like a Firefox a new theme… it’s shame!
ok, it is mostly a ripoff……. so whats new?
should they put buttons/bar at the bottom just so it is different? nah didnt think so…
heck, plenty of ripoffs in technology, it is the way….
we didnt get a gui from apple or M$….
Ok, first of all, the only way it even comes close to resembling Firefox is the search bar, which is not something that the Firefox devs came up with (Did you know that the original design goal for Firefox was to copy IE’s UI? Oh, but it’s open source, so lets not get into that!).
The ONLY resmemblance to Safari is the side-bar for searching the lists/blogs/whatever.
Someone said that the icons look like KDE icons… these are the EXACT same icons that are used in XP! The RSS button is new, and the + button is new.
Now, with all that being said, who cares if ANY of it is coppied? It’s not a good idea to make a radically different UI, especially when there is no point in it. It’s a browser, it has a back button, foward button, refresh button, stop button, and an address bar.
Also, concerning the posts on Microsoft’s “inability” to create a decent browser. IE was flat out the best browser when 4 came out, and only got better with 5. It had the best standards compliance, best features, rendered faster and better than anything else out there. The only thing is that IE stagnated from then on. So basically, you are saying that even though Microsoft once created a great (nay, the best) browser, it could never ever happen again? Get a grip on life, and stop being a mindless drone.
i have never heard of this browser. does it use the gecko or khtml engine? what os does it run under?
Does anyone read any the past comments? Or do you all just post. I could explain that IE7 != safari, but IE7 RSS READER == Safari RSS READER, but why bother, the uninformed jackasses that are posting don’t bother to read anyone elses comments.
I would love to see a forum, that some how requires people read all the comments before they are allowed to post. Or at least have two sections, a section for people that read the comments, and a section for those that just feel like posting.
You guys are ridiculous. How can you call this a rip off of anything? You’ve seen a few screenshots, of a BROWSER. They all look the same! They have an address bar, navigation buttons, a menu bar, and some have search bars. Safari looks almost exactly like Firefox in terms of UI elements, for example.
Have you seen the preference panels of IE7? What about how it handles security? Or how it handles cookies and browser history? Or how it does UI customization? The answer is no. We don’t have anything except a few screenshots of how IE7 will look on the surface, and–surprise!–it looks like a browser.
Why people argue with mac zealots? They are well known in tech circles for their ignorance. They haven’t used more than one OS in their lifes yet they fell like they have what it takes to discuss operating systems. Most usability experts agree that Apple desktop’s a mess. That application oriented desktops are a thing of the past. Everyone knows the future is on document/object desktops not applications. If ms is copying Apple then its a shame because Apple doesn’t have nothing good to offer.
There are very few, if any technologies that Microsoft has actually invented; they rarely do; for example, windows, active directory, latest versions of IE (even has a yellow tinted bar for blocking popups, just like FF); all similar to technologies that were created by other organizations (Apple, NDS, etc); is Microsoft’s stuff better? sometimes yes; often times not; but I think it’s pretty clear that Microsoft is incapable of innovation, but does a good job marketing their stuff
you called the following…. cairo, xgl, xrender, xaa, exa all vapourware…
you have not got a clue man, all of the above are ready and in use on peoples machines today.
the thing you seem to miss is that vapourware ala microsoft is only WORDS and PICS of stuff they would like to do in the future.
what you call vapourware in linux is code that actually exists, and people can download and use themselves, it might be still in development, but it is REAL.
it might still be alpha or even pre-alpha stage code, but you are free to use it..
think about what you are gonna say next time before you start typing, your post just made you look like a retard who needs everything packaged up for him
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“Does anyone read any the past comments? Or do you all just post. I could explain that IE7 != safari, but IE7 RSS READER == Safari RSS READER, but why bother, the uninformed jackasses that are posting don’t bother to read anyone elses comments.
I would love to see a forum, that some how requires people read all the comments before they are allowed to post. Or at least have two sections, a section for people that read the comments, and a section for those that just feel like posting.”
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Wow, one comment after this another uninformed jackass (Jason) posts about something he still knows nothing about. AMAZING! Right above his comment, it says this isn’t about browsers looking the same, but the RSS rendering looking the same. RIGHT ABOVE IT JASON! Could you really not bother yourself to read some of the other comments before you opened your mouth and proved to the world how truely stupid you are?
Also, it is fun to see, that when poeple are loosing the battle, they starting pulling out “mac zellot” and other choice words. I guess if you have no point, you might as well raise a sand storm so no one can see your bullshit.
That’s NOT the only resemblance. The whole metal look is a friggin’ rip-off! Safari is the ONLY browser with that metal look, and now IE7 has it too.
Dammit man, how fscking obvious does it have to be for you to stop kissing Microsoft’s ass?
You also seem to have missed the menubar. Safari is the only browser that doesn’t have the menubar (file, view, etc.) right under the window border (this is normal with Apple apps). Big suprise, Microsoft *even* copied that!
Give anyone a 1 second look at IE7, then ask them what browser it was and I’m very sure most will say that it’s safari. It is just so obvious.
The only thing different are the close-minimize-maximize buttons and the obligatory menubar (which they placed somewhere else to make it more obvious what their inspiration was).
I’d like to see someone in here come up with a new browser UI and have it not look like any of the other one out already. If someone can do that then that’d be a big feat. But lets face it, you can’t, no matter what you do with your UI something will match with some other browse, so i guess this means you are in the end copying that browser off right?
You people need to find something else to bitch about, this is getting old.
Metallic look? You can’t even see any part of IE itself to say that it has a metallic look. What you do see is a Windows skin, which, despite popular opinion, looks nothing like brushed metal.
And again I say also, WHO CARES?
Just because I’m pointing out a BLATENTLY obvious fact, and not trolling, I’m kissing MS’s ass? Get a grip.
The Yellow “Information Bar” was introduced in IE in XP SP2 Betas and was copied by Firefox, not the other way around.
Sorry for posting mis-information about IE’s toolbar, I didn’t realize that IE had that feature first; As a windows and Linux admin, I often find myself naturally comparing the 2 platforms; I guess Microsoft is capable of innovation? At any rate, it is nice to see some great competition to Microsoft’s stuff; 1 big problem Microsoft is facing with this competitor is that they simply can’t buy the competitior to eliminate the competition; it doesn’t look like they can “out-program” them either?
@junior
“What does backwards-compatibility have to do with anything?”
Think of the oodles of corportate sites that look good on bad IE markup. The corp sets up a test machine to see how Longhorn plays with thier network, and whoops! IE7 renders their internal pages “correctly” which means they look bad. Yet another obstacle that’ll hinder corps from upgrading.
@Anonymous
“If Microsoft would take the unix mantra to heart, they might be more nimble; ‘small tools well done’ vs. ‘1 tool that is tied into everything’.”
Sure, but switching over the behemoth would be massively expensive and lose their great competitive advantage, lock-in.
“#2 — If Microsoft can’t get programmers to work on things that are important, no company can.”
Just because they have a lot of money doesn’t mean that their organizational structure isn’t sick. And sick organizations sometimes have curious definitions of what “important” means.
@none
“I would love to see a forum, that some how requires people read all the comments before they are allowed to post.”
But then this fearsome technology would be also applied to EULAs! Horror!
@Anonymous.rochester
“1 big problem Microsoft is facing with this competitor is that they simply can’t buy the competitior to eliminate the competition; it doesn’t look like they can “out-program” them either?”
They can’t underprice Mozilla either. However, they still have the trump card of distribution. Windows Update to all XP machines, installed by default on all new Windows boxes. And as for “out-program” that has yet to be seen, eh? We don’t even have beta code yet. If MS has some nifty innovation developed, why would they tell us now and give other browser venders time to adapt?
A complete and utter Safari Rip off.
IE is a shagged browser made by a shonky tech company – why people use it is beyond me.
Oh wait.. they don’t know any different :/
A complete and utter Safari Rip off.
Looks more like a rip off of konqueror to me. When I saw it I thought “another tour of the KDE desktop. What Linux review is it this time? Oh crap…thats IE!”
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@junior
“What does backwards-compatibility have to do with anything?”
Think of the oodles of corportate sites that look good on bad IE markup. The corp sets up a test machine to see how Longhorn plays with thier network, and whoops! IE7 renders their internal pages “correctly” which means they look bad. Yet another obstacle that’ll hinder corps from upgrading.
Yes I see your point, but I think problems are more likely to occur with standard compliant pages and not with poorly coded pages.
My reasoning is that IE7 (which will employ doctype switching) would render pages without or with faulty doctypes in quirks mode, just like IE6 does now, and that it would render standard compliant pages in standard compliance mode.
Assuming that the great majority of corporate webdevs don’t even bother with CSS or doctypes, and that quirks mode in IE6 and IE7 are identical, there wouldn’t be major problems.
Remember that IE’s standards mode needs improving — quirks mode is fine. It’s very loose and will render just about anything you throw at it. It would be unwise for MIcrosoft to ‘improve’ it and they know that.
But yes, the scenario you are thinking of could become reality. I think it depends.
The same goes for the web, btw. The vast majority of sites are rendered in quirks mode by IE and most other browsers. Webdevs that write standards compliant code are praying for an update of IE’s css engine. You don’t have to feel sorry for them.
You only have to feel sorry for those that write standards compliant code and use IE6 as a base.
/nerf Microsoft…oh wait, wrong forum