Home > Windows > Trouble Rolls Into Win2K Town Trouble Rolls Into Win2K Town Thom Holwerda 2005-07-22 Windows 19 Comments Some third-party applications are encountering problems introduced by the cumulative Windows 2000 Update Rollup that Microsoft introduced in late June. About The Author Thom Holwerda Follow me on Twitter @thomholwerda 19 Comments 2005-07-22 7:39 pm The URL it references is one for an earlier article on Linux and integration. 2005-07-22 7:39 pm orestes The link goes to “Linux and Audio Production: Simplicity Required” which, although quite interesting, doesn’t seem to be related to Windows 2000. 2005-07-22 7:40 pm The “encountering problems” link here points to that “Linux and Audio Production” story. 2005-07-22 8:31 pm http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1839663,00.asp 2005-07-22 10:11 pm joelito_pr I may not be a Microsoft lover but I don’t see why MS should be held liable for making an update that would break older apps. (older than the update) Didn’t something similar happened with Firefox on a smaller scale? From the article “In regards to Sophos, we have only received one support request and we cannot reproduce the issue in our labs. If we can, we will produce a hotfix as soon as possible,” said Peter Houston, senior director of servicing strategy at Microsoft. From linked full article at the link provided http://www.microsoft-watch.com/article2/0,2180,1839634,00.asp According to a posting on the SANS Internet Storm Center forums, “a reader reported that “…After applying the patches, some components (either the firewall or protection against unknown threats) on Panda Platinum 2005 Internet Security (9.02.01) stopped working. This happened on my Win2000 laptop (fully patched) and on several WinXP Pro boxes. The solution was to completely uninstall Panda & then re-install it.” So maybe that’s the workaround 2005-07-22 10:18 pm orestes I may not be a Microsoft lover but I don’t see why MS should be held liable for making an update that would break older apps. I’d say that is doubly true in this case considering the fact that Windows 2000 is oficially EOL’d. 2005-07-23 3:23 am elsewhere I may not be a Microsoft lover but I don’t see why MS should be held liable for making an update that would break older apps. (older than the update) Didn’t something similar happened with Firefox on a smaller scale? I’m neither an MS-lover nor a basher, but unless there is an unavoidable reason (ie. fundamental security flaw) then I think MS should jump through hoops to make sure they don’t break older apps with an update. Doesn’t make for a very stable platform if patches and updates break existing applications. In fairness to MS, often times broken apps are a result of those third-party companies using un-documented or un-published API’s which may change with a patch or service pack release. ZoneAlarm got stung with this on a Win2K service pack release a while back, and had to revise their code. So in cases like that, it may not be fair to hold MS responsible. You’re right too, this did happen to Firefox with 1.05 breaking certain third-party extentions. And their response was to politely apologize for the inconvenience and quickly release 1.06 to address this. Ideally of course, 1.05 wouldn’t have broken compatibility in the first place but one has to respect that they chose to admit and address the problem rather than expecting the third-party extension makers and their users to deal with it. 2005-07-22 10:48 pm This is nothing but typical MS. Of course you are advised to upgrade to the next version (XP)…. business as usual. If you want to secure your w2k box use other means (i.e. put a strict Linux/BSD/whatever box between it and the inernet) and don’t update with the latest “patches”. You will be able to keep it running for years to come. 2005-07-22 11:39 pm Zenja On the windows front, I run Windows2000, and after the most recent batch of security updates, I’ve noticed that my Digital Camera software (which ships with my Canon camera) ArcSoft Image whatever takes forever to start. Probably calling home using or whatever. So who do I blame? Luckily, with Zeta I dont have these issues. 2005-07-22 11:46 pm as i have said before, if they cant get the OS right then what makes anyone think updates/fixes/patches have better quality…. fix one thing break others…. w2k here, no packs, patches or otherwise….behind a linux box of course 2005-07-23 1:41 am Microsoft has bought an antispyware company – and then downgraded its recommendation on Claris spyware to “Ignore” instead of “Quarantine” – because Microsoft is buying Claria. Microsoft then buys an antivirus company and announces it will have a subscription AV service like everybody else. Suddenly competing antivirus companies find their software doesn’t work with the latest 2000 updates from Microsoft. So the companies running Windows 2000 have two options: 1) Upgrade to XP (until the next XP update comes out which breaks third-party AV products) – Microsoft wins. 2) Dump third party AVs and only use Microsoft AV – Microsoft wins. Of course, the third option is the only one anybody with a brain should take: 1) Dump Microsoft for Linux and stop being held up at gunpoint by Billy Boy every time he needs a new money injection into his veins to maintain his nerdboy limited self-esteem. 2005-07-23 3:10 am elsewhere So the companies running Windows 2000 have two options: 1) Upgrade to XP (until the next XP update comes out which breaks third-party AV products) – Microsoft wins. 2) Dump third party AVs and only use Microsoft AV – Microsoft wins. Actually, you’ll need XP to use the AntiVirus service when it’s fully released, similar to their anti-spyware apps. So this will actually be an opportunity for the third-party vendors that are willing to make sure they keep their support of Win2K strong. 2005-07-23 3:21 am I Can’t Stand It I Know You Planned It I’m Gonna Set It Straight, This Watergate I Can’t Stand Rocking When I’m In Here Because Your Crystal Ball Ain’t So Crystal Clear So While You Sit Back and Wonder Why I Got This Fucking Thorn In My Side Oh My, It’s A Mirage I’m Tellin’ Y’all It’s Sabotage So Listen Up ‘Cause You Can’t Say Nothin’ You’ll Shut Me Down With A Push Of Your Button? But Yo I’m Out And I’m Gone I’ll Tell You Now I Keep It On And On ‘Cause What You See You Might Not Get And We Can Bet So Don’t You Get Souped Yet You’re Scheming On A Thing That’s A Mirage I’m Trying To Tell You Now It’s Sabotage Whyyy; Our Backs Are Now Against The Wall Listen All Of Y’all It’s A Sabotage Listen All Of Y’all It’s A Sabotage Listen All Of Y’all It’s A Sabotage Listen All Of Y’all It’s A Sabotage I Can’t Stand It, I Know You Planned It But I’m Gonna Set It Straight This Watergate But I Can’t Stand Rockin’ When I’m In This Place Because I Feel Disgrace Because You’re All In My Face But Make No Mistakes And Switch Up My Channel I’m Buddy Rich When I Fly Off The Handle What Could It Be, It’s A Mirage You’re Scheming On A Thing – That’s Sabotage 2005-07-23 3:50 am beastie boys? heck i dont know… 2005-07-23 4:14 am joelito_pr At least when using a development distro or a legacy distro with backports or programs compiled from source (or third party at all) 2005-07-23 7:20 am If you want to be in control of what patches are put on your Win2000 system, then go check out autopatcher.com 2005-07-23 2:30 pm “I may not be a Microsoft lover but I don’t see why MS should be held liable for making an update that would break older apps. (older than the update) Didn’t something similar happened with Firefox on a smaller scale?” Yes, but Firefox and Linux are free software, with open source code. Binary incompatibility can be resolved with simple recompilation of source code or free (zero cost) updates to the last version. This is a situation EXTREMELY DIFERENT than those of poor windows 2000 and other windows users. 2005-07-23 3:54 pm It was security software that broke, most of it was nothing more than fuzzy feelgood WORTHLESS security software I might add. Think about it. What does a software firewall on windows really do to work ? It hacks system DLLs and does some totally off the wall shit to integrate itself with the TCP/IP stack on the system. Yes updates might break an application like that. The applications listed that broke are close to malware anyway. 2005-07-23 6:13 pm I applied the rollup on a Windows 2000 server and it broke printing. I removed it and still broken. Other people on the net are having the same problem. So finally after wanting to thorow the computer out the Window, I moved the printer to the new MAC, and it works great, no problems. I think I am finally done with Windows at home. Guess I will just have to put up with it at work. The MAC gives me no problems and just works.