“Colony CD 4 is ready. This is the fourth in a series of milestone CD images that will be released throughout the Breezy development cycle, as images that are known to be reasonably free of showstopper CD-build or installer bugs, while representing very current snapshots of Breezy. You can download it here.” Bug reports can be filed here.
Did they release a Colony CD 4 of Kubuntu ?
Looking at there website (http://www.kubuntu.org/) I don’t see any information like a changelog or any press. My guess is no, in that case.
There are no colony releases of kubuntu afaik.
However, you can of course always check out the daily builds here:
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/
Are we going to see another round of screenshots that show us nothing other than the fact that Ubuntu is running Gnome?
no, because colony 4 didn’t even complete the installation :/
*reverting to colony 3*
Um i’ve tried breezy for one month and is terribly slow
nautilus spatial is not the default there’s browser navigation instead.
and for search things ubuntu ship beagle
“Um i’ve tried breezy for one month and is terribly slow”
Hoary was slow before release as well. They were still testing things. Right before release everything became as snappy as Warty was.
maybe it’s time to upgrade that 486?
I was thinking the exact same thing.
>maybe it’s time to upgrade that 486?
People, please stop this. Compiling for anything but your own arch will not speed things up, probably would make it slower. Search the debian archives for information about this, but stop spreading things that you don’t know anything about.
You are sending mixed messages here. The first thing you mention is a negative and everything else is a positive. I did an install of Colony 3 onto a new machine, so I can’t say if it is slow. It is the fastest machine I have. Everything else is pretty good. I was pleasantly surprised when I did not have to go turn off spatial first thing. That is normally on e of the first things I do on an Ubuntu system.
I guess the colony4 has gnome2.12 as I have this morning “synapticed” colony3 and there it was, updating 2.11.92 to 2.12.
I’ll say it again. Linux is brown!!!!!
javajazz
How long was it that colony 3 was released? 1-2 weeks?
Anyway, I’ve installed colony 3 and I’m lookng forward to Ubuntu 5.10. No really major upgrade(except OpenOffice.org 2 and maybe Nautilius), but lots and lots of small & nice ones that just make it nicer to use!
colony 3 was released on 08/17.
I really like the brown boot up window. wish i could make it go full screen though.
is setiathome fixed yet. i am using the BOINC and “run_client” but that is not as much fun as the old “setiathome -verbose”. I guess I could read some docs and see if I can get some seti graphics going.
and electricsheep2.63-1 is still showing as “local or obsoleted” in synaptic.
see you on the eboard.
javajazz
Is there anyway i could just apt-get or something else to install the lastest Colony 4.
Enable the breezy repositories (write breezy wherever it says hoary on your fstab) and update/upgrade.
D’oh, not fstab
I mean’t to say your sources list *just messed with fstab to set up Beagle*
beagle depends on mono and mono is the biggest mistake in the Free Software world
“beagle depends on mono and mono is the biggest mistake in the Free Software world”
And for others Mono is the best thing. For devlopers to be finally able to write once and run on multiple systems it is a boon. This means more pro software from the Windows World being able to be used on Linux. I personally have no qualms with Windows software just the OS itself which is a POS in my eyes.
> For devlopers to be finally able to write once and run
> on multiple systems it is a boon.
Sort of. To so you need one of two things:
1) Use “WinForms” and make sure not to use any P/Invoke and make sure only to use the subset supported by Mono. Thorough testing is needed to ensure that you don’t accidentally use an API that’s not supported on both Linux and Windows. One way of minimizing this is to develop solely on Linux.
2) Use Gtk#, and use the Gtk++/GNOME subset that has been ported to Windows. Thorough testing is needed to ensure that you don’t accidentally use an API that’s not supported on both Linux and Windows. One way of minimizing this is to develop solely on Windows.
Option (1) will give you non-native looking interfaces on Linux and it won’t behave as well as Gtk++ and Qt++. Option (2) isn’t any different from using the Python or Ruby or Java or Perl interfaces to Gtk++. If portability is your goal, Java/Swing (for Java interfaces) or Java/SWT (for native looking interfaces) is still your best bet.
3) Use QT
I upgraded my warty to breezy last week and when I installed some packages (imagemagick and some development stuff), xorg was in the list on the “to erase” list…
No, breezy isn’t stable. It is a development release that will debut as the next ubuntu stable release in mid-october.
How easy is it to get multimedia apps like Mplayer, xine, DVD::Rip, Amarok with mp3 support, etc in Ubuntu? Anyone have any insights?
that is quite easy .. take a look at http://ubuntuguide.org/
It’s _very_ easy. Enable “universe” and “multiverse” in your sources.list. run apt-get update to update your package list and then run, for example, apt-get install mplayer
You can also do all this using the graphical tool “synaptic” or the application “Add/remove programs”.
Anyone know where I can find it?
<sarcasm> the nature of these posts indicate the readiness of linux for mortal users and the daily desktop usage… </sarcasm>.
In truth, i am far from Anti-LInux, I would love to replace WinXP boxes with linux… but the fact that users *are* (and they will) going to call me to ask “how can I play a DVD” is scaring me. . .
You don’t want to receive 10 phone calls/day …
Yeah, they call me anyways when they have spyware… but i modded ’em down with certain tools.
Heheheh.. that is their disadvantage for being “mere users”; they have to live with 30% of their CPU Cycles being wasted to check what the other 70% is doing; all your base are belong to us.
Keep up the good work Ubuntu Team!
> <sarcasm> the nature of these posts indicate the
> readiness of linux for mortal users and the daily
> desktop usage… </sarcasm>
I tend to agree with you, but if any Linux distro is close to being useful for mortal users then it’s Ubuntu. Sure, I did have problems with Hoary, but with other distros I wouldn’t even be able to reach the point where these problems appear. As for Breezy, I’ll wait for the final version before I start ranting
Maybe they fixed those issues I had with Hoary:
– monitor frequencies not auto-detected. This was the ugliest one since I had to edit the X config file and at first there wasn’t even a sensible explanation why I can’t go beyond 640×480
– keyboard layout not autodetected, but the workaround is still nice… “now press the z key. Now press the ö key if it exists. ” (really a minor issue)
jsut forgot if there were others…
– Morin
Actually, my little brother who was in a car accident and caused damage to his head and who is a total “JoeUser” is using Ubuntu right now.
He had windows for a whole year and that worked ok i guess. But when I got him internet access the nightmare begun. Spyware, adware, virus. (and yes I had “the army” installed, like NAV, Outpost v2, Spybot S&D, SpywareBlaster etc.)
The calls would never end.
Then I said “f**k it, no more” and installed Ubuntu.
The difference is like heaven and hell.
The only calls I get now is the difficulty to eject a cd/dvd. (the button dont work)
In truth, i am far from Anti-LInux, I would love to replace WinXP boxes with linux… but the fact that users *are* (and they will) going to call me to ask “how can I play a DVD” is scaring me. . .
Windows doesn’t come with a DVD decoder either. Most manufacturers include it if you buy a computer for them. Setting up support for restricted formats (DVD, MP3, Windows media, etc) should be one of the first things you do after installing Linux for someone else if you don’t want them them to run into problems.
apt get VLC, it plays everything (yes DVDs). I don’t get any calls from my users
In truth, i am far from Anti-LInux, I would love to replace WinXP boxes with linux… but the fact that users *are* (and they will) going to call me to ask “how can I play a DVD” is scaring me. . .
I’ve found that typical computer users don’t have any problem with linux and modern DE (KDE 3.x, Gnome 2.x) as long as it’s been setup for them beforehand by someone who knows what they’re doing.
Of course, I’ve also found that the same holds true for Windows and typical users, thanks to its lovely “Everyone is Admin” defaults and myriad of effectively hidden mechanisms for running executables on startup.
How do I upgrade using apt-get? What’s the exact command?
You can change it in synaptic but from the shell you would do the following: –
1. sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list (sub gedit for text editor of choice)
2. Look for ‘warty’ and change all instances to ‘breezy’.
But you may want to follow this link for details http://ubuntuguide.org/#upgradehoarytobreezy
Oops. Should be a point 3 to actuall uppdate the files
3. from the shell
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Hmm, I tried that one. It’s more like
s/warty/hoary/
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
apt-get -f install
apt-get remove –purge $idiotic_stuff
apt-get dist-upgrade
dpkg blah
*fuck*
few hours later. Can’t start X, for some readon the whole computer hangs, last enry in log beeing something about RAC, network is fucked up as eth1 is now eth0 and eth0 is eth2 plus djbdns and daemontools won’t work…
reinstall warty from CD
well, well better luck in oktober 😉
Daemontools? yeah right
I did a upgrade from Hoary to Breezy a few days ago. X froze here also.
What I changed was the keyboard driver “keyboard” to “kbd” + I also had to update my USB mouse, specifically “Dev Phys”. (cat /proc/bus/input/devices)
After that X started with no problem.
Daemontools? yeah right
I’m not shure what changed. It is supposed to be started by this line in inittab:
SV:123456:respawn:/usr/bin/svscanboot
For some reason this didn’t work after the upgrade.
What I changed was the keyboard driver “keyboard” to “kbd” + I also had to update my USB mouse, specifically “Dev Phys”. (cat /proc/bus/input/devices)
Aha! Didn’t try that. Is the requirement for this change documented somewhere?
No, not really. (Other than on the forum)
I posted the same exact solution on the ubuntuforum,
and that seemed to helped a few other people who were stuck.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=35094&page=18&pp=10
(scroll down to WiLLiE)
You’re kidding me, they’re making browser mode default for nautilus? Eww… Why in the world are they doing that?
-bytecoder
Browser mode in GNOME 2.12 is far better than it’s ever been. It’s very similar to the current file chooser. I’ve been using it instead of spatial since I upgraded to Breezy a while back, and it’s been a pleasure. My setup is the same as the screenshot on the 2.12 tour[1], except I did away with the toolbar since it’s pretty redundant.
[1] http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/
I’m sure it is much better, but it can never really beat a decent spatial interface (read: finder, pre-OS X). Besides, they also added a tree view to the spatial interface.
-bytecoder
Also, for the record, save and open dialogs are the worst things since AIDS.
-bytecoder
My guess would be just to make the system useful. Why wast time with Spatial mode?
wtf is with ubuntu’s naming scheme. its scary.
“I tend to agree with you, but if any Linux distro is close to being useful for mortal users then it’s Ubuntu”
Just use http://www.debianpure.com. It comes with all the plugins (mplayer, flash, java, w32 codecs, DVD) already built-in; it offers both KDE and Gnome; takes 15-20 minutes to install; and it is compatible with Debian repositories. Enjoy!
Debianpure won’t do it, sorry, based on stable??? For me it wouldn’t be that much of a problem if it would have at least: xorg, kde 3.4 or 3.5 when it comes out, newest koffice, those are the things people really want, maybe a newer kernel might be appropriate as well. I hope they’re gonna be part of the DCCA, with just the newest KDE (or gnome), and the newest office, and xorg. That’s what people want, the thing underneath needs to be stable, but the guy’s need to be available. Compatibility between distro’s is a great goal, but please, make sure you have compatibility AND the latest eyecandy? you’d be surprised how many differences there are when you go back to a former KDE for example. That’s the only reason ubuntu is popular: the newest guis.
“Just use http://www.debianpure.com. It comes with all the plugins (mplayer, flash, java, w32 codecs, DVD)”
Just wondering how debianpure can be pure debian with non-debian stuff.
Other than that, not that good of an answer.
“You don’t want to receive 10 phone calls/day … ”
I installed Hoary on my sisters computer since she got 10 new “viruses” every day.
I have had 2 phone calls from her, and one of them was “how do I turne it off?”
And she knows nothing about computers… 🙂
these can be had by installing from “hoary-extras/restricted”. (google for hoary-extras).
moms and pops should install hoary (or wait a bit for breezy) and not play with scary stuff.
why is it every time i upgrade Xorg I must redo the link to Xorg in /etc/X11. I have the machine booting into command line, if that helps to answer my quesion.
I wonder, is there autodetection for nvidia cards? cause with hoary I had to install the server version, than install kubuntu-desktop and then install nvidia-glx, can it be a biiiiiiiiit simpler please, I know they are proprietary binaries but please if you buy an nvidia card, I like it to work, or at least have some image on my screen instead of this greyish crash screen (when I just installed kubuntu-desktop, not the server way). and then install it through a guyie kind of thing like mepis does? for the rest no problems with the distro, fast and great :-).
Huh? There is a free nvidia driver “nv” which is part of X.org and it should be used automagically. If it wasn’t then there’s something strange going on o_O The propertiary drivers are easy to install too, just add restricted repositories, apt-get install nvidia-glx.
I upgraded to the latest 7676 driver for my 7800 GTX – it was a breeze, runing dual LCD’s through twin view and all! All you need to do is make sure you have your kernel headers installed, the drivers will do the rest.
“Debianpure won’t do it, sorry, based on stable???”
Yeah, I guess altering your sources.list and doing a apt-get dist-upgrade is tough. It would probably still take less time to install than Ubuntu. I haven’t seen anything in Ubuntu that isn’t available on Debian proper or another Debian derivative like Mepis and Kanotix which as far better distros than Ubuntu. And where is this graphical installer they were supposed to be working on? Oh, I forot, Debian hasn’t release one yet so they’re unable to clone it!
> Windows doesn’t come with a DVD decoder either.
And why should Ubuntu restrict itself to the features of Windows? If cloning Windows is its goal, then it doesn’t deserve existence. (hint: even ReactOS tries to beat Windows feature-wise)
Next time you tell us that Ubuntu may crash because Windows does too. Or that Ubuntu might as well be closed-source.
– Morin
And why should Ubuntu restrict itself to the features of Windows?
You missed the point. The point is that “playing dvds” is not just a software problem, its a legal problem. The copy protection is protected by law! Ubuntu COULD play DVDs out of the box (illegally) but as soon as Mark or one of the developers went to a conference in the U.S. or nations like it they would find themselves in jail for breaking the DMCA.
So to avoid that they don’t. And you have to do exactly six steps to get it to work. If that is too many, then there are distros that have that out of the box (because they don’t care about legal trouble in the U.S.).
I don’t really understand. Debian gets so much slack for how far behind it lags most modern distributions, however Ubuntu is just a Debian that is completely incompatible with upstream, and gives you less control.
Ubuntu has _NO_ added functionality, it even cripples things (like its spatial_ubuntu “feature”). It has perhaps the worst sound support of any distro around – and the situation has gotten no better since warty almost a year ago.
I simply do not understand the draw of this distro, there are so many that are much better.
I’m certainly not against a multi-millionaire spending all his money on the open source community, I just really expected the final result to be much better.
You mean, other than the fact that the ubuntu packages are more recent?
Ubuntu has _NO_ added functionality, it even cripples things (like its spatial_ubuntu “feature”).
I’m not sure I understand. How does spatial nautilus relate to ubuntu?
-bytecoder
Ubuntu decided it was a good idea to change the functionality of left click and middle click actions.
In mainstream GNOME, and _every_ other distro on earth, left clicking leaves parent open, and opens child… and middle clicking closes parent and opens child… On Ubuntu, this is switched.
If you spend too much time using Ubuntu, and sit at any other distro, this would likely throw you off.
Ubuntu isn’t content with just being incompatible with Debian, its even willing to be incompatible with GNOME…
We have standards for a reason, Ubuntu decides to do its own thing in entirely too many circumstances.
Ubuntu isn’t content with just being incompatible with Debian, its even willing to be incompatible with GNOME…
Why would I care how ‘other’ distro’s do it? I don’t _use_ ‘other’ distros (At least not gui one’s anyways — and that may change with Ubuntu 6.04).
The horse/water analogy may be appropriate here. Most horses don’t want the ‘water’ spacial offers. On the otherside of the corral is a trough marked ‘browser’. You might find most of the herd there.
gconf-editor is a few clicks away from providing upstreams method.
It might behoove you to watch jdub’s and the sabdfl’s presentations at guadec. Ubuntu is catering to it’s users. Oddly enough, I think the Debian Manifesto would be an important reference right now wrt ubuntu.
Oh and btw, your beating a dead horse -bwah ha ha — sorry I couldn’t help it.
1. Because it comes on 1 CD and not 5 (or one DVD)
2. Because I could plug in my digital camera and actually download pictures with a click without setting anything up
3. Because I plugged in my scanner and could actually scan without setting anything up
4. Because I can use apt-get, or better yet Synaptic, and go watch TV while it updates
etc…
You sir are mistaken
1. Because it comes on 1 CD and not 5 (or one DVD)
With what it installs with 1 cd you get nothing. You have to connect to the web to do anything.
2. Because I could plug in my digital camera and actually download pictures with a click without setting anything up
Oh hold on are you freaking kidding me since when did linux become so user friendly
3. Because I plugged in my scanner and could actually scan without setting anything up
YADA YADA YADA YADA YADA
4. Because I can use apt-get, or better yet Synaptic, and go watch TV while it updates
So what is new , last time I checked apt-get is not multilib aware.
1. Because it comes on 1 CD and not 5 (or one DVD)
With what it installs with 1 cd you get nothing. You have to connect to the web to do anything.
This is more or less normal these days; unless you plan ahead you’ll need to get Foobar2000 or Winamp or iTunes from the internet when you reinstall Windows… I grant you, it would probably be nice to have an optional second CD of just .deb files to add to your system once you got it up and running, but really. One CD is about convenience. You get XMMS, Gnome, OpenOffice (I think), Xorg, Firefox and a couple things.
2. Because I could plug in my digital camera and actually download pictures with a click without setting anything up
Oh hold on are you freaking kidding me since when did linux become so user friendly
How ’bout now? If you’re lucky enough to have a camera supported by gphoto2, Ubuntu will probably take care of you. I use Kubuntu, and hotplug+gphoto2+kamera gives me easy access to my camera’s memory card.
3. Because I plugged in my scanner and could actually scan without setting anything up
YADA YADA YADA YADA YADA
Yes, it’s udev hotplug and a nice SANE scanner interface.
4. Because I can use apt-get, or better yet Synaptic, and go watch TV while it updates
So what is new, last time I checked apt-get is not multilib aware.
Well, you might have a point there, but just because apt-get doesn’t support multiple library versions on a system (but… what about XMMS and Gnome 2.10?) doesn’t mean it’s not convenient automater and package dependancy manager. Maybe not perfect, but convenient.
1. Because it comes on 1 CD and not 5 (or one DVD)
2. Because I could plug in my digital camera and actually download pictures with a click without setting anything up
3. Because I plugged in my scanner and could actually scan without setting anything up
4. Because I can use apt-get, or better yet Synaptic, and go watch TV while it updates
etc…
I would like to add the things I like about Ubuntu in general:
1. The brown Human theme.
2. ubuntuforums.org
Triple booting Ubuntu Breezy, Ubuntu Hoary and Win XP. Breezy now supports the monitor switching (FN + F8) on my Inspiron 510m.
SUSE Linux has a one CD install…
Actually, it will have two forms of this… a normal version, and an enhanced version (based on SUPER – a speed optimized SUSE being worked on by the founder of Yoper, who now works for Novell).
The rest of what you stated is hardly Ubuntu specific either, its down to hotplug and udev/hal…
Again, I say, there is nothing of consequence that Ubuntu offers that is not offered else where.
Ubuntu has _NO_ added functionality, it even cripples things (like its spatial_ubuntu “feature”). It has perhaps the worst sound support of any distro around – and the situation has gotten no better since warty almost a year ago.
I simply do not understand the draw of this distro, there are so many that are much better.
Its a stabilized Debian Sid with newer packages where it counts (Gnome, Xorg).
Its a stabilized Debian Sid with newer packages where it counts (Gnome, Xorg).
Well, Ubuntu seems to use the same version of X.org as Debian Sid does. And outside the officially supported Ubuntu packages Debian Sid is certainly more up to date than Ubuntu. Ubuntu keeps the same packages for six months while Debian Sid is constantly updated, so it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that pretty soon after the Ubuntu release it’s Debian Sid that has newer packages.
That’s because Ubuntu releases are stable, whereas Sid is not. This is pretty basic stuff.
If you don’t know this, you probably shouldn’t be commenting, as you’re too ignorant to present anything valid.
I think this is a very good point. For several years, since woody was so stagnant, sid was more or less stable with minor breakage here and there. Now it’s a flippin’ minfield, and not surprisingly — it’s *UNSTABLE* — people have forgotten this. Even well pinned and well though out distros like Kanotix are feeling this right now. Running Debian sid proper at this point requires very judicious package selection. A few very smart people I know have recently ended up with badly broken systems from a simple “apt-get upgrade.” Again – this is because sid is unstable, and is meant to be.
Ubuntu, on the other hand, does have some breakage, and some bizarrely screwy packages, but overall it has been very stable IME — even with a few 3rd party repositories added for grins. What ubuntu has that debian doesn’t is vision, momentum, and a large (and growing) generally friendly and helpful userbase. It also has very helpful forums, and many people who are strong advocates of the OS. On the downside, it also has the 6 month freeze/release thing going on too (have I harped on this enough recently?) which I believe is a mistake. However, hundreds if not thousands of people either disagree with me, or don’t see it as being a large enough problem to negate all the positives ubuntu has going for it. I fit into that second category if you can’t tell.
Well, Ubuntu seems to use the same version of X.org as Debian Sid does.
Breezy has a modular Xorg today, long before Sid does.
Breezy has a modular Xorg today, long before Sid does.
Nope. Ubuntu doesn’t have X.org 7.0 yet. And neither has Sid. We’ll see which one will get it first.
poofyhairguy:
Breezy has a modular Xorg today, long before Sid does.
Anonymous:
Nope. Ubuntu doesn’t have X.org 7.0 yet. And neither has Sid. We’ll see which one will get it first.
modular Xorg – X.org 7.0
Are these two the same thing? Or both guys talking about different stuff?
Thing is… Daniel Stone has decided to go ahead and do this on his own. He hasn’t waited on any discussions that might go on within x.org and fd.o.
X.org 7.0 is when Xorg will officially be modularized, until then, its simply what one maintainer has decided to do himself.
I wouldn’t look too much into this, and its hardly a good thing. You gain absolutely nothing from the version of Xorg in Breezy compared to Xorg on other distro’s….
And for the record… I was using Breezy 3 days ago, and am using SUSE Linux 10.0 currently… if anything, SUSE’s Xorg starts up faster than Breezy’s…
Thing is… Daniel Stone has decided to go ahead and do this on his own. He hasn’t waited on any discussions that might go on within x.org and fd.o.
X.org 7.0 is when Xorg will officially be modularized, until then, its simply what one maintainer has decided to do himself.
You act like he decided what to cut up himself. The Xorg divisions in Breezy will very closely reflect the ones Xorg 7 will have. He just decided he did not want to wait until 7 came out to do this, seeing as how Ubuntu would not get another chance for six months.
The benefit of a divided Xorg is not speed of loading, but better drivers and hopefully better renderers.
Ubuntu is a great exponent of Keep It Simple, Stupid. Comes on one CD so easy to hand out. Fairly easy to install, good choice of best of breed apps, lots of sensible defaults already set up for you, tweaked for the desktop and pretty stable. Decent online updating system and very good and vibrant user forums (probably Ubuntu’s most astute move). Compare this with the amount of installing and configuration so many other distros require, their constant updating against a moving target, and their general lack of support – some mailing lists, perhaps unmoderated and not really very helpful.
That said, Ubuntu is only a small part of the picture. SuSE is far more comprehensive and sophisticated (one guy’s bloat is the next guy’s functionality). Debian Sid (on which I’m typing this) allows you to go in any direction you want.
It’s easy to say that Ubuntu’s rather circumscribed and dinky approach is really Linux for hairdressers. There’s some truth in that, but Ubuntu is cleverly done and so far has shown itself far, far more in tune with the aspirations ordinary users than the big guns of the distro world. If this has upset some developers, then so be it.
The Add/Remove programs really is nice. The optional Usplash screen is a start(still needs work). The boot control program is really nice to have. I think Ubuntu is really heading in the right direction.
“A”
None of those are features of Ubuntu. They are all features of GNOME.
looking @ http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-12/
I don’t find Usplash or the Boot Config program. Also, Using gnome before in Fedora or Suse, there are some things diffrent as well. All my hardware is usable “Out of the Box” (including Network Card + finds my wireless access points for me! Awesome Feature.) Moreover the Forum is awesome. Great people how are willing to help and not just say RTFM.
~Aaron
yes, the great ubuntu forum maketh the distro ^_^
Don’t know what usplash is, but the boot config program is part of gnome-system-tools. I can send you a screenshot of it on Mandriva, if you like. http://www.gnome.org/projects/gst/
Just to throw in my 2 cents. I’d been trying out ubuntu on a dell latitude d610 laptop with some success, but still annoying issues remained (not really ubuntu’s fault, the 610 sadly has problems in terms of overall linux compatibility). Upgraded to breezy, wow. _Much_ better support. Seems to be shaping up as a release to look forward to.
Yeah, it’s getting better for my HP Pavillion ze5400 as well: My audio buttons now work out of the box, which is just nice. However, I still have to mess with xorg.conf to properly set up the mouse pad. I really had hoped they had that fixed by now.
BTW, I’ve got Colony 4 installed and it has *lots* of bugs, and I mean glaringly obvious bugs. I sure hope they get them sorted out before relase time…
Ubuntu Linux Breezy Badger Colony CD 4
You gotta be kiddin’ me, right ?
Now come on, 5 words ? Not that Hedgehog wasn’t long or anything, but hey, this must be some joke 
Yeah, imagine a guy comes close, asking what’s this, and you tell Ubuntu Linux Breezy Badger Colony 4 (yes, I know it’s a pre-release) 
OMG I’ll try that, I wanna see that face 
> > Ubuntu Linux Breezy Badger Colony CD 4
> You gotta be kiddin’ me, right ?
>
Now come on, 5 words ?
Actually, newbies deal with this all the time, they just don’t recognize it. Take “Toronto, Ontario, Canada, North America”. If you know where “Canada” is, you drop the “North America”. If you know where Ontario is, you drop the “Canada” too. If you live in Toronto, you generally drop the “Ontario, Canada, North America”., but if you’re outside Toronto, you’ll have to settle for “Toronto, Ontario” or greater since there are more than one “Toronto”s in Canada.
Similarly this beta can be called “Colony 4”, “Badger Colony 4”, , “Ubuntu Badger Colony 4”, or “Ubuntu Linux Breezy Badger Colony 4”, depending on how much you know about Ubuntu.
“Just wondering how debianpure can be pure debian with non-debian stuff”
The plugins are the only thing non-Debian, but are necessary to have a usable desktop. They state it in their FAQs and from what I understand, they will be taking those out and including a script to allow users to install them only if they choose. I’ve been using Pure for weeks now and haven’t had a single compatibility issue. With Ubuntu, I had such a headache with repositories. Try Pure, it works really well.
I’m the one that started the ‘Draw of Ubuntu’ stuff in here…
Unlike many people, I am not simply hating on Ubuntu, I have tried it. Its not a _terrible_ distro, I’m simply saying it is nothing particularly special. I used Ubuntu for almost a year, but I was a Debian user before then (for about 2 years), so I was used to the system.
I would certainly never recommend Ubuntu to my Mother, its just not “friendly” enough, it requires too much knowledge if anything doesn’t work. Sound is horrible on Ubuntu also… in their community channel, about 5 people a day come in with sound issues.
If you like and are familier with Debian however, and you need a decent desktop with little fuss… I would recommend to you Ubuntu over the current mess that is Sid (I was using that about 5 days ago)…