Steve Ballmer wants you to know one thing: He never throws chairs. Elsewhere, here is a mini-review of the Windows Vista Build 5231, discussing interface, WMP, tabbed browsing and more.
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Maybe we should talk about Bobby Knight instead of Balmer.
Chair…. HA!
The thing that REALLY made me laugh is: ‘I’m going to MSN you’
That’s a popular phrase? OK….
Google:
Results 1 – 8 of about 29 for “I’m going to MSN you”. (0.17 seconds)
Results 1 – 10 of about 57 for “I’m going to google you”. (1.01 seconds)
MSN:
Page 1 of 4 results containing “I’m going to MSN you” (5.69 seconds)
Page 1 of 12 results containing “I’m going to google you” (7.56 seconds)
Both instances Google had more hits. Even on MSN’s search page. I didn’t find as many hits as I thought, but that probably becuase I was using quotes and searching for the EXACT phrase. If I could somehow search by the idea of googling vs MSNing, I’m pretty sure there would be 10 fold increase of Google against MSN.
Just outta curiosity I tried “I’m going to google you” with no quotes, and the first page was almost all Ballmer…. lol
LMAO
–ZaNkY
It was classic misdirection. When people say “I’m going to MSN you” they mean MSN Messenger, they aren’t talking about MSN portal or search. Even where MSN is the most popular IM application, MSN portal and search isn’t very popular.
If you’ve read the article correctly, you’ll notice he was referring to The Netherlands and Korea. I don’t think the inhabitants of those countries speak English as their mother tongue.
I should know, I’m Dutch.
The phrase “We MSN’en vanavond” (“We’ll MSN this evening”) or variations thereupon are commonly used amongst the youth. Of course they refer to MSN Messenger.
He was talking about certain parts of the world, like Holland and Belgium. English isn’t the native language there, dutch is.
http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22ik+goo…
The sentences have different meanings though, “ik msn je” means chatting with someone on msn messenger. “ik google je” means looking someone up on google. Quite obvious that the first will be more popular than the second.
Chair…. HA!
Actualy, whenever “chair”, “throwing” and “Ballmer” are in the same sentence I have to wonder if Ballmer wasn’t doing Gates’s work by throwing that chair around. Isn’t Gates as the CHAIRMAN supposed to do that? Ballmer is just a Chief Executive Officer, and this title has absolute zero relations to chairs.
From Gates’s homepage:
William (Bill) H. Gates is chairman and chief software architect of Microsoft Corporation
he throws books and office supplys instead of chairs..
hehe
:smirk:
-Nex6
Microsoft really need to make it’s best shot in this one.
If Vista fails, it will help Open Source solutions to grow, and perhapos some no so open like OS X.
They really need to release a rock solid and *gorgeous* OS from day one.
Being a multi-os user, i’m sure Vista will be really good.
I’ve thrown X Box controllers around, even bouncing them off the floor in a fit of rage, and I have to applaud them on how solid those controllers are built.
Maybe they had Ballmer test them first.
Innovation? From Microsoft?
That’ll be the day. So far the only innovation was moving some code from the stolen Internet Explorer into the system and vice versa.
The rest of it is nothing but copying
(like Visual Styles, the trash can, titel bars and scalable fonts and whatever you can mention).
Who did they steal the trash (Recycle Bin, actually) from?
From Apple.
That’s where we all got it from.
Whether Apple got the trash can idea from Xerox PARC is however unknown to me. But it’s not unlikely.
Stolen IE? Shut up. Seriously.
Actually it is theft in legal sense.
But perhaps you prefer the word “fraud”.
Because fraud it was.
And how exactly is creating your own browser in house fraud?
Don’t bother. He claims he doesn’t troll, then spouts crap like “Microsoft never innovates” and expects to be taken seriously.
Well I suppose they had to at one point or another, but I cant think of anything off the top of my head.
/shrugs
Intellisense/AutoComplete for an IDE, off the top of my head.
/shrugs
Autocomplete was stolen from Borland, like the tooltips.
MS got to pay for it in the end.
sappyvcv… the only trolls around here are you, CPUGuy and Linux Is Poo.
The funny part is that you always agree with me when I have something good to say about Windows and bad things about Linux.
You claimed I was trolling, when I proved Windows couldn’t handle scaling properly.
All three of you are so in love with Windows you cannot bring yourself to see it’s many flaws.
Come up with one example of MS innovating. Autocompletion was something they stole from Borland. They got to pay for that one too…
I never claimed you were trolling about the scaling thing. Try again chump.
And how exactly is creating your own browser in house fraud?
Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_explorer
Internet Explorer is derived from Spyglass Mosaic, an early commercial web browser. In 1995, Spyglass Mosaic was licensed by Microsoft in an arrangement under which Spyglass would receive a quarterly fee plus a percentage of Microsoft’s revenues for the software. Although bearing a name similar to NCSA Mosaic, which was the first widely used browser, Spyglass Mosaic was relatively unknown in its day and did not use any of the NCSA Mosaic source code
Actually, according to IE’s “About” window:
“Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.
Distributed under a licensing agreement with Spyglass, Inc.”
Distributed under a licensing agreement with Spyglass, Inc.
And that’s the deal they broke. They had to pay Spyglass a lot for that.
And this is fraud how?
Netscape was based off of NCSA.
“Netscape was based off of NCSA.”
So are/were a lot of others.
I’m guessing that all of the Mozilla based browsers still contain code from the NCSA project.
It’s fraud because they broke the deal with Spyglass. Go read up on your wiki.
And how exactly is creating your own browser in house fraud?
They didn’t create their own browser. They made a deal with Spyglass Inc. and broke that deal.
The word here is fraud, and they had to pay Spyglass Inc.
Read the wiki
Actually it is theft in legal sense.
But perhaps you prefer the word “fraud”.
Because fraud it was.
No, it is not theft. Copyright Infringement is what you are thinking of. Ignore what the RIAA and MPAA have drilled into your fragile little mind, infringing a copyright is not stealing (it can be if you literally steal the material, as in breaking into a place and running away with it).
Anyways, it is murky whether MS breached their agreement with Spyglass (that was the name of the company, right?).
another thing they have stolen was words, in the article was this gem……..
“Microsoft on Monday launched an update to a community-based preview release of Windows Vista,”
community based ? p1ss off Microsoft, you made me pay cash for my betas, this is the last time you can expect me to give you money to test for bugs in your software.
fedora has a community based system, they give it free to the users, then any bugs are quashed before the next version of redhat is released, that is how it is done Microsoft, no other way
They probably consider it community-based because it’s based on our money.
In which case everything is community-based.
I do not “MSN” anymore I “GoogleTalk”.
I’d believe George Bush, Bill Clinton, and Satan himself before Steve Balmer…
Thou shalt not make a joke in mine Microsoftie palace
. Seriously how was that offensive. My point is that Steve Ballmer has not proven himself trustworthy, and he comes off as a “super salesman” of sorts (ie, someone willing to say anything to make you buy).
The ratings system on this site shouldn’t be anonymous, people should be willing to stand for their votes
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I can see why the statement would be offensive. The truth tend to be offensive
However, I’m not sure you placed the persons in the right order. Satan is probably less trustworthy than Ballmer.
But that’s not funny…
Well, it’s a bit funny still.
One would expect Ballmer to be more trustworthy than Satan. The fact this is being debated is funny in itself
What can you say about Microsoft? They are in the game to make money and say what they need to say to make it. Remember >>Windows XP, the most secure Windows ever<< not two weeks after they found bad bugs in this secure Windows version. Then came SP1 and SP2, they will make Windows secure, trust us.
I’m not saying they are an evil empire, not more then any corporation out there. They want to make money, and they need to market their products now since people don’t confuse their shit for gold anymore.
Are you trying to argue that Windows ME or Windows 2000 was more secure than XP?
If you are you best find another hobby because you’re not making much progress in computing.
Are you trying to argue that Windows ME or Windows 2000 was more secure than XP?
I don’t know what you read, but that’s not what I read..
Remember >>Windows XP, the most secure Windows ever<< not two weeks after they found bad bugs in this secure Windows version.
That means the statement “Windows XP, the most secure Windows ever” is a lie from the mouth of Microsoft. Not “Windows 2000 is more secure than Windows XP”.
How did your thought process lead you to this conclusion? I’m really curious because I’ve seen this many times before. I wonder, does it have to do with ADHD, or not paying attention to detail, or belief in aliens or ghosts or other things you can’t prove exist? If you answer these questions honestly it might be of help to those of us trying to learn something about social psychology. Thx.
“That means the statement “Windows XP, the most secure Windows ever” is a lie from the mouth of Microsoft. Not “Windows 2000 is more secure than Windows XP”.”
No, actually, that’s exactly what you implied, although maybe you didn’t mean to. For the statement “Windows XP, the most secure Windows ever” to be false, some other version of Windows must be more secure (not necessarily Win2K, but _some_ Windows version). Just the fact that XP wasn’t very secure doesn’t make it a lie. So long as it’s still _more_ secure than any other Windows, the statement is still true.
Newsflash, Anonymous is not one person, even if some Anonymoses (is that a word?) sound alike.
The point for those that can’t figure it out is this. Microsoft’s slogans are no less marketing then they are from any other company out there. They will exaggerate, they will sweet talk and they will lie. Their products don’t become better by them saying so and you shouldn’t trust their word for it even if they say so.
For the statement “Windows XP, the most secure Windows ever” to be false, some other version of Windows must be more secure (not necessarily Win2K, but _some_ Windows version)
False. For the statement “Windows XP, the most secure Windows ever” to be false, some other windows version must be EQUALLY safe. Not necessarily safer.
And I’d claim anytime that Win2K is safer.
“And I’d claim anytime that Win2K is safer.”
And I would claim XP is safer and YOU have entirely too MUCH free time on your hands……
If just I had a lot of free time. But I don’t.
Just spend 4 hours in a political meeting. And now I’ve got to update a website, and after that doing some homework (in my autumn “holiday”).
So, no. I don’t really have free time.
yeah, it wouldn’t be wise to throw chairs, at windows. Windows breaks if you look at it funny. Suggest marketing dept, rename to Vista, but, funny. Vista is a bit overused. NetVista, Vistaprint..
Btw, why should he be mad enough to throw chairs? Google does what they do and they do it well. They have an alliance, and those members in the alliance does what they do well.
It’s none too wise for MSFT, of all people, to try to monolith the alliance. Google isn’t trying to control the universe. Just make money off it. 🙂
“which they are doing well also”
obelix
Next he’ll be claiming he doesn’t dance like a monkey.
I, along with all my collegues have learned computer operations on various versions of Windows. Now we all have successful career as software engg, but we still remember the first program we made on Turbo C, then gradually we moved to VC++.
Today I code entirely in Unix environment with “vi” as my best friend, still had it not been to Windows I would have taken much more time to learn to operate computers.
I first installed linux ( Red hat 6.0) after I was already programming in VC++.
On a Computer :
My first movie
My first song
My firt program
My first print and
My first job
are all attributed to Windows.
Though Today my desktop and Thinkpad has Kubuntu and arch Linux respectively, I still have lot of respect for MS and always have WinXP in dualboot.
I know this is OT but what is the big appeal of editors like VI and EMacs?
I see so many people say they like VI or EMacs I just have to ask. I program in Linux too, but I’ve always used kwrite because the other editors weren’t worth learning for my needs. Am I missing out on something? ( other than bragging rights 😉 ).
nope, you got the whole thing wrong. I use vi personally, but when needed emacs is good too.
the thing that makes them worth learning, is that not all workstations you will be working at will have a functioning KDE. So if your KDE is broken, no Kwrite.
All UNIX based systems have vi installed, so if you learn vi, you can work on them all, with or without X.
LOL. I’m a fan of “ee” myself for quick edits to smaller text files. It’s not so great for larger ones however.
No intentions to brag.
I have a arch linux with beautiful KDE.
When I program on my system I use kdevelop.. or gvim
Well but as part of my job, I have to telnet to remote unix/linux machines and do my work. Those are server machines and do not have KDE or for that matter X-Server.
Unfortunately I do not have the rights to install KDE on them ,else would definately try Kwrite.
If I could install KDE on those servers, without getting laid off, then I will have a reason to brag.
That’s cool…but why telnet? Why not ssh?
I like vi (well, actually vim).
It’s uncluttered and can do a lot of things, and is virtually always available on a *nix system. Just like emacs.
Which one is best? Probably depends on what your needs are.
I use both, if I don’t have access to something like gedit or BlueFish.
All UNIX based systems have vi installed, so if you learn vi, you can work on them all, with or without X.
Besides on some of them like FreeBSD you can burn CD’s after a fresh install without a GUI.
MS OS’s will have to be improved dramatically will i ever use them again unless i really have to and i hope just for a very short lenght of time.
I hope Ballmer shows that he actually intends to do something for his developers besides dance sweatily and release a semi-standards-compliant browser in IE 7. Seriously. 80% compliant would be better than the garbage they’re forcing us to code for now.
Ballmer looks like someone in need of a holiday before his heart revolts and organizes one for him. Microsoft seem to be trying to fight all comers on all fronts and it must be utterly exhausting. They also seem obsessed with competition or, at least, they can’t stop talking about it. Insecurity, I guess. Lack of focus, too, possibly. If you are really involved in creating a great product, you don’t think too much about the competition, just about the product and making it better.
Any road, none of the “the world as we see it” coming from Microsoft at present sounds very healthy. It’s almost as if the prediction from Sony’s old chairman Akio Morita is coming true, that Microsoft will die slowly and exhausted from a thousand cuts and not from one dramatic change.
Some of Vista looks great. Why shouldn’t it be a much better OS than WinXP? However, the only thing that really matters is whether it will run OK on my (or your) machine and we are a very long way from knowing that at the moment other than via opinions and guesses which aren’t much use.
I would actaully happen to agree that Win2K is safer, and perhaps server2003 or some other server edition OS is safer. I was GOING to post that Win2K was safer, but I’m not exactly sure and I didn’t want to get flamed lol. Now that someone else said it first, I’ll back him up on it
(btw, I’ve heard that Win2003 server is as solidas MS’s OSes come)
–ZaNkY
This build is no better than any of the previous ones. You can waste alot of time playing around with Vista and if you value your time and a good operating system you are better off with Linux. Period.
Well, I think they shouldn’t use the Windows term anymore. IF there is truly new design, then they should really show how they are working to build a better OS, exponentially. I would build the naming convention around the Explorer monicker. but, they do suffer from the “black hole” syndrome, as a company. too big to move out of the way.. always the chance they will peak, then implode.
And then there is technical problems in the design. But, shared source will help a bit.
What makes him think we care about him, what he has to say, and a convicted monopoly.
f–k off