Ludovic Hirlimann wrote it to tell us, “The mozilla team did it again! Mozilla 1.3a is available for downloads (check your prefered mirror for download.) New features and bugs are described here.” It appears that Mozilla Mail’s junk filtering has improved. In other news Netscape 7.01 was also recently released.
Mozilla 1.3a Released
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Great! I love Mozilla… Hope they fixed the copy-paste bug. When are they gonna make Modern the default skin, I wonder?
Will from now be considered a port. The Mac OS considered normal is X. That’s a good news. It’s the major OS maker who does that “switch”.
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“Intellimouse Explorer Backwards and Forwards button support has been implemented for Mozilla on MS Windows.”
anyone that know how to fix this in linux..
New features and bugs are described here.
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I never knew they purposely put bugs in their software
That’s pretty cool about the new mail filters, as I started playing around with Mozilla’s mail filters just last night and noticed how limited they were when compared to Outlook Express.
I’m not sure about the junk mail filters though. Based on my experience with anti-spam programs in the past, they delete every piece of mail except for the ones they’re supposed to, so hope this does better
As a whole, Mozilla is starting to kick some serious ass. If they can do something about the screen real-estate, the speed (it’s still a bit on the slow side, but not nearly as bad as it was), and fix a couple of usability quirks, I’ll be ready to make the switch.
I thought that 1.3a has been out for about a month? I’ll have to check back on my last build numbers I’ve been using…
Finally, contenteditable for MoZilla.
Phoenix is still better. You dont need all the bloat just to surf the net, now do you?
Darius: Try out Phoenix, it’s fast, it has all of Mozilla’s features, and uses IE’s UI design along with all of IE’s keyboard shortcuts.
I’ve switched to Phoenix and have never looked back, but comments such as “Phoenix is still better” are simply confusing. Phoenix *IS* Mozilla – With each new Mozilla release both are better because they are both built off the Mozilla trunk
Mozilla includes a number of features most users do not need in a browser, but web and software developers do. Phoenix focuses on being a browser. If what you’re looking for is a lightweight and simple browser, Phoenix will always be better – that’s what it is: just a browser.
I didn’t mean it as a rant. It’s just that many people seem to look at them as competing projects or think that Mozilla should be more like Phoenix. If all I need to do requires Phoenix I use Phoenix, if I need more, I use Mozilla – a perfect arrangement The two go hand in hand.
Do you notice that the Mozilla window on the osnews.com front page and the Mozilla icon on the specific story page are slightly different? A conspiracy? I think so.
Ok, now THIS kicks ass!
I am typing this in Phoenix and I am quite impressed.
Basically, you get Netscape/Mozilla in a browser that’s fast like IE & Opera. The type ahead feature is here (which I really like) along with the bookmark manager and popup killer. Why anyone (other than developers maybe) would choose to use Mozilla over this is beyond me. It seems to have all of Mozilla’s strengths and none of its weaknesses, except one:
I have the left thumb button of my Intellimouse Optical set to close windows. This works great in IE, where I can open/close new windows with a great amount of speed. However, given the MDI nature of Mozilla and Phoenix, when multiple tabs are open, instead the focused tab closing when I click the close button on my mouse, the entire f**king program closes ;-( I know it’s not the fault of the programs (as other programs do it too), but it makes tabbed browsing more tedius than opening new Windows – especially considering how fast Phoenix is .. possibly faster than IE
Now all I need is a good email program to replace Outlook Express .. something less bloated than Mozilla mail, and less hideous looking than The Bat
>> anyone that know how to fix this in linux..
http://www.p-two.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&…
I might want the mozy system of programs but want individual apps….or mabye I like Mozy mail and hate the browzer…every one and ther mother are making stand alone browsers…how about a nice stand alon mail client……oh and when the hell are they releasing the damn calander?
Unfortunately Phoenix makes use of the same slow as molasses XUL UI language that Mozilla does.
I sure hope they eventually speed this up — because it’s unuseably slow on lower end hardware. Sure, sure, you can tell me to buy a new computer — that’s what I did — and mozilla runs fine on it — but I can’t use it on my older systems. It’s just too slow and bloated.
This is also a major nuisance to anyone trying to build a public network (school, library, whatever) with a mix of old & new machines — because you can’t provide a consistent user experience when you need different browsers on different machines. This is one of the reasons my college wouldn’t switch — I presented the idea to them — and they were in fact aware of mozilla and it’s advantages but didn’t want to maintain 2 different browsers. They still use p166’s in some labs and these are inadequate to run Mozilla. What’s the big deal? IE runs on these machines just fine. I don’t understand why Mozilla should be any different — essencially they provide the same services.
I’m tired of people making excuses for mozilla’s bloat & speed problems. I think these need to be dealt with. As far as I’m concerned Mozilla doesn’t offer any significant features which warrant all this slowness.
Ah well, with time maybe.
Ironic how everyone is so quick to point out speed problems in OS X but they don’t want to admit the same about mozilla.
These are the people who whine that OS X won’t run on their old hardware but at the very same time turn around and tell me to upgrade my PC so I can run a bloody web browser.
So it’s okay for an Open Source project to force me to upgrade but it’s not okay for Apple?
I think both OS X and Mozilla are great products — but both are pretty damn slow on old hardware. And no, I don’t care what you say — I shouldn’t have to upgrade my PC to run a basic piece of software.
i prefer phoenix, not only because of the faster load time than mozilla but also because of the small download… they’ve gotten it down under 6mb with v0.5 and it should be getting smaller.
Also, i don’t like having to download the entire Moz suite when all i want is the browser… i guess i enjoy having composer but in my opinion they should break mozilla up into separate apps.
–llamaX
I totally agree. This is the reason I stopped using netscape years ago as well ( other than the regular crashes and ugly interface of course ) and switched to opera. I don’t want e-mail in my browser. During the browser wars (chuckle) of the 90s when netscape needed a good feature to get a user base, I guess throwing email in there was handy. But now if you want email through your browser, you use a webmail service. I like opera in that you can load the app without the email features available. It doesn’t seem work in the opera7 betas so far…
Why don’t you install just the part of Mozilla you need? It isn’t very hard.
Another light Mozilla-based browser for Win32: K-Meleon
on win32, you can install it without mail, but I remember it killing the news reader as well, which doesn’t seem to make as much sense to me as having every each distinct use/function available as a separate app. Think of it as a suite of independently functional apps, like most office software bundles except for the internet.
Sorry to offend any of you, but Mozilla is slow. I’m using a K6-2 333MHz PC with Windows 98. Internet Explorer runs well, but Opera 6/7 work flawlessly. However, that’s more than I can say for Mozilla. It’s slow, even when loaded. It bogs down the whole system. As much as I would love to love Mozilla, I just can’t. Even with my 1GHz P3 it’s slow. So slow that it is unusable. I just can’t find any reason not to use Opera. I love the window-in-a-window concept, I love mouse gestures (without having to download a plug-in that hardly works), it’s compatible, and I love the fact that it can masquarade as IE 6 and Mozilla 3, 4.78, and 5 when I need to. Maybe Mozillia runs better on Linux, but for Windows I can’t find one reason to use it. Open source? Open source is only good when it produces desirable results. Opera doesn’t have many bugs, therefore doesn’t need thousands of people to fix them.
Opera has lots of bugs — it’s always crashing.
Furthermore the Opera UI stinks. Anyone who knows anything about UI design knows this. It’s not the least big intuitive and it breaks damn near ever UI design rule there is. Mouse gestures? Secret keyboard shortcuts? An inconsisten UI? These are all things you get with Opera. The rendering engine is fast, the UI is responsive, and overall Opera is good — I just can’t help but feel annoyed that they knowingly ruined the UI the way they did.
Mozilla is slow and it drives me crazy — but atleast I can trust my mother using it. I can’t imagine how many phone calls I’d be getting if I had her using Opera.
Well looks like there are only a few people really using mozilla. I use mozilla exclusivly for my email/browsing/writing purposes at work together with OpenOffice (which I rarely have to launch). And that in an almost 100% windows driven infrastructure. I simply love the pop-up killer and cookie manager. Browsing the web is sane again…
Sure, it’s not super snappy but it’s just fine for day to day usage. It simply works and feels well tested. All quirks are documented which can not be said about other products. If Microsoft would finally get their IMAP support done correctly… Logging into the exchange server is slower than connecting to an IMAP server somewhere 30 hops away.
I agree that Mozilla is slow on my AMD K6 300 mhz, but on my Athlon 1000 Mhz it’s as fast as IE 6, doesn’t crash that much and i have more control (popups, cookies, ads, etc…). No more IE on my Athlon, never again. Use Mozilla, Phoenix or Opera, all excellent browsers and they get better every release.
Does this release allow palm syncing yet? I know its been something that has been in the works for a while. I’m using 1.2, and that doesn’t have it yet. This is about the only thing that I need to entirely switch over. I’ve been using Moz for all my web surfing needs, but I really would like moz mail to play nice with my handspring. Mozilla is an excellent browser, and I hope the team keeps on chugging away, it just keeps getting better and better.
this bug only appears if you have a Thinkpad. Which is a damn popular laptop, I would think…
Anyway, for me Mozilla is just caca, at this point.
IE 5.5 is almost perfect for my needs. And it’s way more responsive than Mozilla.
Well, I am in browser-testing mood tonight. I am going to try Phoenix. If it’s as fast as people make it to be, and works OK on the Thinkpad, I’ll think about using it.
and it sucked a$$. Just like Moz.
Oh well.
Tinic: I hate to reiterate myself but:
It’s dog slow.
I use mozilla exclusively on my new comp — it’s reasonably fast on it. On my older machines however I still run IE (or Opera).
I forced my parents to switch over to Mozilla because I didn’t much care for the list of IE holes which is released daily. They’re running a AMD K6-III 450 — Mozilla is kind of sluggish on that system but my theory is “My parents aren’t likely any faster than it anyway” :-). My mom hated IE — always has (even though she started with IE) — she seems to have adapted to Mozilla amazingly well.
So yeah, Mozilla is a decent browser, unfortunately it’s crap on old or low end hardware — which a lot of us still have.
I mostly use Phoenix. It has a lovely, flexible interface. On my Transmeta laptop, it runs faster than Mozilla. Kmeleon is another, even faster, gecko based browser, with an even more flexible interface than Phoenix. While not hard to customize, it does require editing config files. I never got around to learning its ins and outs, preferring to stay with Phoenix.
And Internet Explorer? It sits unused on my hard drive with active scripting shut off. As a browser, it’s solid enough, but the security issues associated with it border on the terrifying.
Yes, I use the Galeon 1.2.7. It is light and fast and I run a galeon server in my Gnome Session that makes the launch very fast.
For XP I use IE. Until reponse and launch speeds get better Mozilla is just that slow bloated thing that Galeon uses to render stuff.
I wish the galeon guys would do what the Phoenix folks did.
What is that you ask bewildered? Branch the code and use it instead of depending on that seperate download. This way when there is a bunch of patches that galeon needs that Mozilla won’t commit for seperate legitimate reasons. Right now, I am using 1.2.7 Galeon with Mozilla 1.2.1 and it is just a breath of fresh air after trying to live on Mozilla and mucking about a bit with the Phoenix. The new Phoenix is fine but I am waiting for the project to mature first and secondly I am just not a fan of XUL.
Did you know there is an Internet Explorer theme and icon patch pack for Mozilla? it can be made to look almost identical to IE. This would provide a consistant user environment (because in reality, people can’t tell the difference between different browsers if they look the same).
After having browsed with Phoenix all day, I haven’t noticed too many problems except for a few minor quirks, including:
Does anyone browsing this site with Phoenix have trouble with the icons (especially the article icons) not loading correctly, or at all? About half the time I hit this site, the page loads, but the icons don’t. The progress bar in the status bar indicates that the page is 99% done, and I have let it sit for more than 5 minutes this way before and it stays like this. But if I hit the Reload button, the page and all the icons load immediately.
Anyone else experience this?
It happens with IE as well. I think it’s happening more often with Mozilla, but I blame the phenomenon on my xDSL connection and some weird timing issues that stem from that connection.
No, my principal problem with Mozilla (and Phoenix) is the very jerky behaviour of the Thinkpad trackpoint. And note that the trackpoint works perfectly in ALL other Windows applications, including Netxcape 4.x. This jerky behaviour is so annoying that, when I am trying out Mozilla, I feel like throwing the laptop out of the window, with gusto. After 5 minutesof such torture I uninstall Moz and curse the developers and project managers (if they have any) of the Mozilla project.
I’ve been using Phoenix as my default browser since 0.2 and have never experienced problems loading OSNews story icons. So something’s wrong outside of the browser.
And mario, what in the world are you talking about? Explain your problem a bit … because from my end I cannot fathom why a pointing device would have “jerky behavior” with one specific application.
the problem I have is with icons in bookmarks but you can do this
http://texturizer.net/phoenix/tips.html
Disable Bookmark Icons
You can disable the display of bookmark icons and “favicons” by adding the following code to your user.js file:
// Disable Bookmark Icons
* user_pref(“browser.chrome.site_icons”, false);
user_pref(“browser.chrome.favicons”, false);
I’m not sure how you’re using the word “icon”
i use mozilla becasue i need the mail client. I would use pheonix but i don’t see the point of having 3 browsers (IE or konqueror becasue they are “stuck there” and mozilla for my mail client, and phoenix for browsing) … so, does anyone know of a mail client built from mozilla?
Trpn: I don’t know of any /finished/ mail clients built from Mozilla (for Windows I assume since you mentioned IE). But: there is a project in the works to create an independent mail client, similiar to the Phoenix effort to create an independent browser. There aren’t any builds yet, but if I understand correctly, there has been much more work on it since work began on the Phoenix project.
The project page:
http://www.mozilla.org/mailnews/minotaur/
A quote explaining more about Minotaur:
http://worldtimzone.com/blog/date/2002/09/28
Pat
Now all I need is a good email program to replace Outlook Express .. something less bloated than Mozilla mail, and less hideous looking than The Bat
Please tell me if you find anything, I have been looking for a good email client for ages, and still haven’t found one I am completely satisfied with. For now I use Mozilla mail, since I have Moz installed anyway.
Best contenders I found so far (win32):
Foxmail – http://fox.foxmail.com.cn/english.htm
Pocomail – http://www.pocomail.com/
Mail Warrior – http://www.kaufmansoft.com/Index.htm
And of course, Pegasus mail: http://www.pmail.com/
But since you don’t want it “bloated”, I don’t think Pegasus is for you.
What’s your problem with Mozilla+Thinkpad??
I have Mozilla on my thinkpad T23 (WinXP+RedHAT 8) and i can’t found any problem.
Sylpheed (Win32) http://claws-w32.sourceforge.net/
Neither do I understand why. I submitted the bug long time ago, there have been people who said they experience it, too, but that’s it.
Maybe the XP driver for the trackpoint works differently, but I doubt. What might be the case is that you see the jerky pointer but simply don’t mind. I’ll find the bug report and post the link, it has a more detailed description, ok?
Actually, off the late, article icons don’t seem to load at all at certain times on Opera, Mozilla and IE. Haven’t tied Phoenix yet, but I’m certain it is a OSnews bug. Not only does it effect the article icons, but also the logo, the icons for email and printing and the word “Ad” between the ad.
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=182345
and I cite also a follow-up:
“I am using Windows XP and have the same proble with Thinkpad X20, 600X and T20
series machines. Trackpoint works on all windows applications I have
includingNetscape 4.0.”
So, it’s not -just- me.
After trying about 7-8 mail clients yesterday, I finally settled on The Bat. It’s not pretty by any stretch of the imagination, but it definitely gets the job done. Thoughts on other programs:
Outlook Express 6
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It’s a file email program (especially the filters) and not really that insecure as long as you keep your system patched and don’t do anything stupid. However, the inability to disable cookies and HTML in email message really annoys me.
Outlook
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Basically the same thing as above concerning security, but it’s a pain in the arse to set up and is a little slow to start (I like my email programs fast). Great on PIM stuff though.
Mozilla Mail
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Slower than snot on a doorknob, and kind of a waste you don’t use Mozilla itself. Also, very weak filtering (which should be fixed in 1.3).
Eudora
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Was great back in the 2.x/3.x days but starting with 4.x, they really started to throw on the bloat (wich was completed in 5.x by the absolutely useless ‘mood watch’ feature), plus it now has a horrible MDI interface, and too many tabbed windows to deal with.
Foxmail
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Closely resembles OE6 in appearance, but it’s kind of light on features and lacks IMAP support.
Mail Warrior
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Fast and small email program, but too unstable for its own good.
PMMail
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I loaded it up, took one look at it, and shut it back down. The Bat has an ugly interface, but this one is much, much worse.
Pocomail
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Awesome mail program but just like Mail Warrior, it’s too unstable for its own good. If they can do something about the random lost emails, I might consider using it.
Pegasus Mail
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I haven’t tried this in a long time but back in the day, I didn’t really care for it and they haven’t updated it much since then. However, many people like this one, so you may want to give it a try.
Than propose them the Linux Terminal Server. You will have the same level of experience even on those old p166 systems.
Ironic how everyone is so quick to point out speed problems in OS X but they don’t want to admit the same about mozilla.
I think OS X is slow. I think Mozilla is ten times worse than OS X. The only reason I use Mozilla at all is that it is the only browser on BeOS that will render and operate several data-access sites I use. Half of these sites could be designed with 100% HTML that would work on any browser, but I guess you’re not a good enough web site designer unless you have the ability to complicate everything with Java, Janascript and plug-in effects. I mean, for crying out loud, why the hell do they need to use javascript to let you see larger versions of thumbnails on a gallery page???
…it can be made to look almost identical to IE. This would provide a consistant user environment (because in reality, people can’t tell the difference between different browsers if they look the same).
People may not be able to understand what the exact difference is, but they DO notice when the behaviors are inconsistent and it frustrates them. This, for example, is why I dislike all varients of *nix (including OS X).
There is FAR FAR MORE to all of this than LOOKS.
if you dont like mozillas client and refuse to use Outlook b/c of the gaping holes Operas mail client is decent and the browser is good too. running on a AMD K6 300 w/ 256mb ram its snappy. i use it for everything
I mean, I really didn’t mean to write “Janascript…”
if you dont like mozillas client and refuse to use Outlook b/c of the gaping holes Operas mail client is decent and the browser is good too. running on a AMD K6 300 w/ 256mb ram its snappy. i use it for everything
I’ve personally never been a huge fan of Opera, but I admit that I have never tried version 6 either. Since version 7 is just right around the corner (and from what I hear, very different from version 6), I think I’ll wait awhile longer until 7.0. For the time being, I am pretty happy using Phoenix
“Darius: Try out Phoenix, it’s fast, it has all of Mozilla’s features, and uses IE’s UI design along with all of IE’s keyboard shortcuts.”
You’ve got to be kidding! Pheonix doesn’t have sooo many amazingly useful features Mozilla has. I like teh way Pheonix is going, but I don’t like that they removed my favorite features.
History Searches are greately limed to name searching, bookmark manager also can search only by name, the sidebar can have only one entry in pheonix, in Mozilla I can easily click on another button on my sidebar and open it in the sidebar, wastes space by putting the fnd on this page and websearch near the adress bar, there are better ways to implement this feature, Text size is greately limited Ic an only make it bigger or smaller, in mozilla I could specify the zoom and pick from a various of zooms already displayed, in pheonix there isn’t evena button to return the text to original size.
These are just a few features Pheonix screwed up.
Darius, I use Phoenix nightly builds on Linux and I’ve been seeing the same problem with the OSNews article icons not loading some of the time. It seems to be trying to connect to a server called osnews.daemon.be that’s not responding. But if I hit reload, the icons will usually load. It appears they’re using some kind of load balancing to alternate the servers that provide the images.
I used Mozilla and was very impressed with the sidebar,…it’s just that I never use anything except the bookmarks. Phoenix hasn’t exactly stripped the sidebar, though. <CTRL>B toggles the bookmarks, <CTRL>E toggles the downloads, <CTRL>H toggles the history.
People who use Phoenix should check out what extensions can do for them. On a laptop I like to devote as much screen real estate as possible to the Web page. Extensions let me hide all menus and tool bars. Move the cursor to the top of the screen, and the menus reappear. I’m going to see what adding an “advanced preferences” to the “tools” menu gives.
Yes, Phoenix is fun.
The best windows browser I know is Crazy Browser. It’s IE embedded in a tabbed browsing, pop-up blocking interface.
Seems to work better than I.e. now!
Honestly, I don’t know what some of you are seeing. Back when Mozilla 1.0 came out and I tried it, I compared it to both IE 6 and Opera 6 and I have to say, it opened a window and loaded the home page faster than either of them. Now with 1.2, its even faster. Plus, unlike nearly every other alternative to IE, Mozilla almost always renders pages correctly!
Also, the other main reason I switched is that Mozilla Mail’s speed was so superior to OE, especially with IMAP access, which was easily 3-4 times faster. Not to mention the superior mail filters. All this, plus the fact that its a browser suite and includes Composer and Chatzilla. Nice package.
I am aware of the IE theme.
Unfortunately that doesn’t change the fact that you must still maintain two different browsers (which is the largest nuisance). It’s all fine if you’ve only got a network of 10 computers — but once you’re dealing with a few hundred it makes things a little more annoying.
Nevertheless that is a bandaid fix and for the most part I try and avoid those.
We are not complaining about the rendering engine rather we are complaining about the UI. The UI his horribly sluggish — if you dont’ believe me try running mozilla on a older computer (eg 200-300mhz) — The very same old hardware runs IE just fine — and opera even better.
On my 300Mhz laptop, it’s a dog to bring up. The load time is quite painful. Once it’s loaded, I’ve zero complaints. I’m not sure what the rest of you are experiencing. Everything is snappy on this poor little machine. If it matters, it’s running OS/2 4.0.
I also have it running on a 450Mhz Win2K box, a 1.4Ghz ECommstation box, and a 1.4Ghz WinXP box. It’s just fine on all of them.