“Do you remember how it used to be? The Macintosh was the computer for the “rest of us,” which meant everyone but a computer expert, I suppose. As such things go, it was designed to be simple to set up, and simple to maintain. That, of course, depended on your definition of simple, which can change with the wind.” Read the editorial at MacNightOwl.
The Jaguar Report: Is Mac OS X Only for Techies?
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The title suggests he would point out some reasons as to why it is a “techie only” os.
He doesn’t, except for the “its unix” stuff.
Good read though for a mac user considering to upgrade.
I do agree on os X being the best of both worlds (and i like aqua), but some os’s were just that a while ago too (BEos, OS/2) i would include next, but hey its os X now
oh well
thanks for the read eug
Take Care
Kevin
I am a software developer and primarily run windows xp. Have have it set to use the “Classic” mode and I find it very productive. I have constantly heard complaints about how unorginally Classic is but I find it very good. It is light, sleek and easy to deal with. It give me all the monitor realestate need to write code. On every machine that I have that has windows xp on it … i use Classic. It’s great and not bloated.
Furthermore … I have rented a powerbook for a month to see if I really wanted to make the change. I must say that Apple has done a great job in minimizing the amount of desktop space Aqua takes. It is good to look at and doesn’t take up that much more realestate (the only reason why I didn’t make the ‘switch’ was that I found the powerbook to be somewhat slow).
What are you talking about?
Excuse me, I have seen it right now: Windows Classic mode. Has nothing to do with the topic.
I this he’s referring to the so called bloat of aqua. using the w2k widgets in xp
of “hiding” unix in OS X. Most Mac OS Classic users know to do things like rebuild the desktop and zap the pram. Doing stuff like repairing permissions is like that – it’s very easy and the kind of thing a person easily becomes accustomed to doing.
I think, in the realm of operating systems, there has to be a target audience. OSX, WinNT, OS/2, GNU/Linux (to an extent), and GNU/Hurd (when it’s released) aim for dual competence. Each will function sufficiently as a workstation OS or a server OS. They’re not for embedded applications, nor are they the best choice for big iron.
With that established, the question then, is how well does each accomodate both the technically-savvy and the novice? WinNT (and by that, I mean all its stepchildren) gets kudos for its ease of use. I attribute it more to ubiquity, but that’s just me. As far as satisfying the tech-savvy user, it falls woefully short. Well, it falls short out of the box, and with the things you can do with it for free. GNU/Linux, on the other hand, seems to meet the things that WinNT doesn’t. For the novice, it tends to be “difficult” to use. (Again, I attribute this to Windows’ ubiquity….I’ve heard Windows users complain about having to use a Mac, too….anything that’s not Windows is wrong) For the technically-savvy, it is possible to do all sorts of neat things with it.
OSX, to me, strikes the best balance between the two extremes. As the author pointed out in the article, you don’t have to know about Unix to be totally productive in OSX. For someone like me, who has quite a bit of experience in Unix and Unix-like systems, well, I get to play a bit. I can have my ugly gtk+ apps running over ssh from my Debian server at home……
In a nutshell, OS X doesn’t have the technical appeal of Linux. Nor does OS X have the mass market appeal of Windows.
Like their OS, Apple has made a life of making computers for the fringes of humanity. They market to artists, musicians, publishers, rich lifestyle players, and other niche markets.
OS X is a case in point of a made-for-the-fringes OS. The OS comes with a giant buffet of technologies, from Cocoa to OpenGL to Carbon to Quartz to Mach to BSD to etc… and takes oodles of memory… yet cannot render a font on the screen as clearly and crisply as Windows XP. OS X has many other things just like this. Lots of candy, fluff, and doodads, but when it comes to the basics of using a computer, OS X just falls down.
Apple has guaranteed OS X will never face the rigors of the mainstream market as to get OS X, you have to pay the Apple price penalty.
Instead of buying a printer, some software, maybe a few games, you pay all that money for what is likely to be a non-upgradable shiny white computer. You can’t play modern games on this shiny computer because the CPU and graphics chips are not fast enough. And unless you paid the big bucks, you don’t get an AGP slot. And even on the big bucks machine, you cannot buy a current video card that works with it. You are stuck with a card that is two years old, a long time in game years.
Apple has lost its traditional strengths. It makes machines and software that no longer do something far better than the competition. Apple is not the king of desktop publishing, music, art, etc., anymore. There’s no one application or vertical market where Apple can say “we are by far the best”.
Oh some Apple people will point to Final Cut Pro and perhaps this app has the most legitimacy. However, we must realize that Final Cut Pro is artificially a Mac app. Apple bought this app from Macromedia and then killed the Windows version. And on the Windows platform, we have Avid Xpress that is doing very well. In fact, the Mac version of Avid Xpress was rated as the very best video app available for Mac, better than Final Cut Pro. So if you use Avid Xpress you can go cross-platform and not lock your business into a single vendor.
Having owned and used Apple computers since 1982, I am dismayed at how Apple has not focused on making machines that are affordable by more people. And I have been dismayed on how Apple has turned itself into an ISV instead of making the platform “the best it can be” for other ISV’s. Everything Apple does is to limit its marketshare. Only Apple’s hype enables the company to maintain some modicum of mindshare, but give Linux another year or two and Mac will no longer have any mindshare either. All this is not to say Apple is dying/dead or anything like that. Apple can exist a long time selling niche market boutique computing to people rich enough to afford it. But it could have been something different.
Every Mac uses AGP for some years now. From iBooks to PowerMacs. When nVIDIA’s Geforce 4 came out, it was in a Mac version first. So for some weeks the fastest video card on the planet was only available on a Mac (in 2001 or 2002, don’t remember exactly). You can buy the current offerings from ATI (like the 9700) and nVIDIA for both Macs and PCs, there’s no difference. You can play demanding games like Return to Castle Wolfenstein on a Mac also. So what’s the point?
Windows Classic or the other nice themes WindowsXP can offer, IMO, barely effects speeds with most of today’s hardware powering it.
Hey, if you got hardware power, why not just go eye candy galore? Of course, there’s always those who prefer the minimalist desktop.
I dont agree with you entirely, but I too am upset about how apple is nickel and diming its customers to death. Just wish they would cut their profit margin a bit and max out the ram on their systems. Also the old iMac needs a price drop. 500 dollars, 256mb starting ram, and I could reccomend it to most people I know. Other macs should have their base ram doubled if possible aswell.
Just give a low end computer to people who want it to just work and don’t care about gaming. Wouldn’t you want to buy your mother a 500 dollar PC that wont break all the time, she cant really install crap software on, and just works?
— “In a nutshell, OS X doesn’t have the technical appeal of Linux. Nor does OS X have the mass market appeal of Windows.”
As a regular Windows, OS X, and Linux user, I have to say I have yet to find a single thing that Linux can do that OS X cannot. Please, name one thing. Also, I disagree that OS X has any less mass market appeal then Windows with the one exception being that it only comes on Apple hardware.
— “Like their OS, Apple has made a life of making computers for the fringes of humanity. They market to artists, musicians, publishers, rich lifestyle players, and other niche markets.”
Debatable today, but certainly not true in the past. They were not only a mainstream computer maker in the past, they were THE mainstream maker.
— “OS X is a case in point of a made-for-the-fringes OS. The OS comes with a giant buffet of technologies, from Cocoa to OpenGL to Carbon to Quartz to Mach to BSD to etc… and takes oodles of memory… yet cannot render a font on the screen as clearly and crisply as Windows XP. OS X has many other things just like this. Lots of candy, fluff, and doodads, but when it comes to the basics of using a computer, OS X just falls down.”
The fonts issue is a matter of taste. Its not that it CAN’T render fonts like XP, its that it doesn’t. I personally prefer it that way, but to each his own. Oh, and since OS X beats the pants off Windows and matchs Linux in functionallity, please enlighten me on where it “falls down”…
— “Apple has guaranteed OS X will never face the rigors of the mainstream market as to get OS X, you have to pay the Apple price penalty.”
Actually, comparing Apples to PCs, Apples often come out to about the same price if you configure a PC with the same features and quality of componants. The difference is that PCs are generally made with much cheaper and lower quality componants and fewer capabilities over all.
— “Instead of buying a printer, some software, maybe a few games, you pay all that money for what is likely to be a non-upgradable shiny white computer. You can’t play modern games on this shiny computer because the CPU and graphics chips are not fast enough. And unless you paid the big bucks, you don’t get an AGP slot. And even on the big bucks machine, you cannot buy a current video card that works with it. You are stuck with a card that is two years old, a long time in game years.”
You are either grossly misinformed or simply ignorant. Every Mac sold comes with an AGP interface for the graphics card. Been that way for years, all the way down to the cheapest iBook or iMac. Also, did you know that the GeForce 4 came out for the Mac BEFORE it ever came out for the PC? The fact is all the latest cards are available for Macs, sometimes shortly before or after the PC ones, but its rarly more than a month time difference. Oh, and the most popular games are ususally available for the Mac as well. Not that Macs are the best gaming platform, but they are a pretty good one.
— “Apple has lost its traditional strengths. It makes machines and software that no longer do something far better than the competition. Apple is not the king of desktop publishing, music, art, etc., anymore. There’s no one application or vertical market where Apple can say ‘we are by far the best’.”
You haven’t been using Macs lately, have you? Everyone knows they don’t have markets cornered like they used to, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have some of the best stuff.
— “Oh some Apple people will point to Final Cut Pro and perhaps this app has the most legitimacy. However, we must realize that Final Cut Pro is artificially a Mac app. Apple bought this app from Macromedia and then killed the Windows version. And on the Windows platform, we have Avid Xpress that is doing very well. In fact, the Mac version of Avid Xpress was rated as the very best video app available for Mac, better than Final Cut Pro. So if you use Avid Xpress you can go cross-platform and not lock your business into a single vendor.”
True. Wasn’t going to mention it though.
— “Having owned and used Apple computers since 1982, I am dismayed at how Apple has not focused on making machines that are affordable by more people. And I have been dismayed on how Apple has turned itself into an ISV instead of making the platform “the best it can be” for other ISV’s. Everything Apple does is to limit its marketshare. Only Apple’s hype enables the company to maintain some modicum of mindshare, but give Linux another year or two and Mac will no longer have any mindshare either. All this is not to say Apple is dying/dead or anything like that. Apple can exist a long time selling niche market boutique computing to people rich enough to afford it. But it could have been something different.”
Apple sells new machines for $999 that come with far more functionallity included than any similarly priced PC. They have been focusing more than ever on turning the Apple into a market share gainer, making quality apps where those apps were not available in the past. The only thing holding back Apple now is the life cycle of the G4. As soon as the next processor comes along, which is rummored to be IBMs 970, they will have one of the fastest platforms around.
MacOSX is a good OS for someone that wants to learn NIX but also finds Linux daunting.
The availability of mainstream apps, ported opensource software with a Aqua GUI, and excellent shareware and freeware are also attractive.
There is also an issue with price, and I concede that Macs are still more expensive. I do think that Apple is working on its price-points but they will not beat PCs on price alone.
— “There is also an issue with price, and I concede that Macs are still more expensive. I do think that Apple is working on its price-points but they will not beat PCs on price alone.”
Just wait! IBMs new 970 PowerPCs are not just tremendously faster then Motorolas G4s, but also CHEAPER! If the rumor sites are correct (and I hope they are) then Apple will be able to create even better value later this year.
Like their OS, Apple has made a life of making computers for the fringes of humanity. They market to artists, musicians, publishers, rich lifestyle players, and other niche markets.
I use OS X, let’s see what category I fall into:
artist: NO
musician: NO
publisher: NO
rich lifestyle player: NO
other niche markets: not really
That was their old campaign, which they have been trying to ditch in the past few years. Unfortunately, it’s people like you who keep this myth alive that they only cater to the “elite.”
the OS comes with a giant buffet of technologies, from Cocoa to OpenGL to Carbon to Quartz to Mach to BSD to etc… and takes oodles of memory… yet cannot render a font on the screen as clearly and crisply as Windows XP.
It’s obvious you’ve never actually used OS X. I find the font rendering to be on par, if not better than XP. As for the memory usage, yeah it needs a lot, but that’s just because of the way it renders the video. Soon enough Windows XP will use a similar rendering engine that will require just as much memory.
I’ve been a Linux user for about 6 years and I still use it for my servers and a few workstations. However, my main computer is a 1GHz Powerbook which I use for EVERYTHING… programming, word processing, web surfing, gaming, etc. True it isn’t the fastest at 3D games, but it holds its own. I haven’t found a more comfortable to use interface in any other OS. It gives me my Unix-ish backend with a gorgeous frontend.
OSX is pretty and it works… no real argument there.
WinXP is not *as* attractive (my opinion), but it also works.
The main issue with lack of Mac adoption would seem to be the cost; mac hardware remains excessively expensive. Their least expensive model, currently the ‘classic iMac’–$799, includes:
600MHz PowerPC G3
128MB SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA drive
CD-ROM Drive
10/100BASE-T Ethernet
56K internal modem
MacOSX
[ http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/707… ]
Compare that to a $798.00 PC investment, and (for one dollar less) you can buy a full system including *Flat Panel* display:
eMachines W2060 PC
AMD Athlon 2000+ (1.67 GHz)
15-inch LCD Monitor
256 MB DDR memory
60 GB hard drive
40x CD-RW drive
56 Kbps modem
Ethernet card
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
[ http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=2134421&cat=4… ]
I realize that comparing the two systems in terms of speed may be considered subjective, as their underlying architecture and design are inherently different. (Although, I could probably safely say that once you start hitting the 1.5-2+ GHz level of AMD/Intel x86’s… the performance of an aging 600mhz G3 can hardly be considered equivalent.—-but maybe that’s just my opinion.)
So, to avoid this comparison, let’s consider the package. The PC comes with:
– a fast CD-Burner, as opposed to the CDROM of the Mac
– a Hard drive with 50% more capacity than the Mac
– Twice the amount of RAM than the Mac
(- the PC’s Ram is DDR-SDRAM, as opposed to the Mac’s older PC133 SDRAM)
The mac platform, of course, can be upgraded… but the cost is a bit excessive, compared to what you could get if you spent the equivalent dollar figure on upgrading the PC used in our example.
When it all boils down, although the Mac “just works”… the PC does too, while giving you much more… and that’s what most consumers are looking for: “Bang for Buck”
If Apple switched hardware platforms… to either intel or AMD… and allowed clones to be built… I’d put money on OSX’s success as being a solid competitor to windows… Unfortunately, Apple’s business scheme seems to target a more specific crowd.
[And yes… I am aware that Apple is and has been actively maintaining a *working* version of OSX for x86; codename Marklar. But their business centers around hardware sales, not software. It’d probably be too big of a gamble for them to justify selling the OS for PC—it’d take yet another selling point away from Macintosh in the Mac vs. PC comparison (for those who are partial to OSX, anyway).]
…just a few thoughts. =)
nVidia released once its product first for Mac, then for PC, but that was simply PR (nvidia just got to Mac so why not to please Mac users). You must be naive to think otherwise.
Real video:
Quadro4 or Geforce FX on Mac? or ATI 9800 (ATI in general – read http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0303/06.ati.php)
High end video: Quadro4, Oxygen or Wildcat for Mac?
Devon: I dont know what you do with Mac/Linux/Win. The problem is not “if”, but “how”. I have no doubt that Mac OS X is a good desktop OS particularly for Mac users. But if you have slow hardware components (memory, I/O, VM, more), slow FS and skimpy server software (setup please LDAP/SAMBA-TNG with Winbind/and good IMAP server, or some collaborative software) you can make it server for small Mac shops only (according to JKH).
Real problem with OS X wide acceptance lays in the fact that this is still beta OS and that’s what scares ordinary (Mac) users the most. Not this unixy (debatable or not) stuff. Unless one dig in, one will not see unix at all. But it seems to me that there is too much tweaking to make it work when one compare it to ease of OS 7.5, 8.1 or anything before OS X in fact.
It takes so long for Apple to to finish product because these guys dont really know what they want and they are unable to project coherent picture of Apple’s operating system.
“In a nutshell, OS X doesn’t have the technical appeal of Linux. Nor does OS X have the mass market appeal of Windows”
OSX is a hack ontop of linux.. if youve tried recompiling linux software for OSX and come across one of the Mac HACKS to get it working youll realise it dosent have the technical appeal of linux. A lot of the cool source code youd play with in OSX u cant see cant edit and certinaly cant add to. Any REAL linux users loves the 100% source. Windows has much better programming support than OSX. For instance “CoreAudio” only just matchse the features windows 98 had DX 6. (Internal midi synth, 24/96k muilti channels etc etc.) Coreaudio has only finally been completed now way after osx release and after apple *claimed* it was in the OS. Thats why Cubase and logic are only now being ported. Saying your OS has support for technologies .. and actually having them seems to be 2 different things for Apple. MS dosent premote DX6 or WDM audio drivers.. thers so much more to windows, yet for MAC the same features as windows are called “revolutionary” and they are if your an audio programmer for mac. Windows is the best OS to code for.. esp OS intesnive apps. Dont agree.. ? dont bother replying unless u have specific information.
“They were not only a mainstream computer maker in the past, they were THE mainstream maker. ” Yer back when they had 90% of the market and wintel had 10% .. oh wait its never been like that.
-Its not that it CAN’T render fonts like XP, its that it doesn’t. I personally prefer it that way, but to each his own. Oh, and since OS X beats the pants off Windows and matchs Linux in functionallity, please enlighten me on where it “falls down” –
Windows boxes are certainly faster than OSX, many ppl PREFER windows.. u provide no examples.. IF your referening to sub pixel font rendering i thought they both had it . only windows XP does it on ALL apps.. not just some like OSX.
Windows def faster and more consistant with font rendering.
I like u said “matches linux functionatlity” .. when most linux users admit windows has way more functionatlity.
“Apples often come out to about the same price if you configure a PC with the same features and quality of componants.”
What a load of crap. Laptops are close to PC prices sometimes.. desktop computers.. not a chance… just give it up ey? or bring out the specs.. ya cant even buy a new PC these days with a bus as slow as the Macs.. and u can allways chose your graphics card (Which are cheaper for PCS). Most Mac components are hacked PC components.. dont forget that.
“You are either grossly misinformed or simply ignorant. Every Mac sold comes with an AGP interface for the graphics card. ” He said SLOT .. try reading what he says not what u want him to say. As he points out with an inbuilt card on a PC i get an AGP slot AS WELL on a mac.. no slot.. no upgrade.
“Also, did you know that the GeForce 4 came out for the Mac BEFORE it ever came out for the PC?” I love the way u think this was because Macs are better.. did u know that same graphics card features werent fully implemented then.. and they wouldnt release the PC version till it was full featured.. but mac users wouldnt miss these features. With macs its about HYPE with PCs its about features.
If u think the “Latest games” are avalible for MAC youd prob thinik Return to Castle wolfenstien was a new game then wouldnt u ?
BTW i run that on a k7 700Mhz with tnt2 M64 (CRAP) video card and it runs great.. awesome even in full detail.
OOh such a fast game… ooh soo new 2 .. rolls eyes
The last frontier was Audio .. CoreAudio has set apple back a mile.. finally ppl can develop audio apps .. how long now after OSX was released supposedly with “CoreAudio”.. as i said all “CoreAudios” features were in DX6.. btw i used to run some programs with 2 ms latency on win 98 on a k6 200!.. oh ah im so waiting for “CoreAudio”
“True. Wasn’t going to mention it though.
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PC ppl aree critical of PCS.. but god forbid a mac user saying a negative expereicne on a mac. ITs all a conspiracy i tell u .
Those 999$ macs.. arent they the “education macs” they couldnt sell to the education sector cause they were 2 expensive so now they are trying to flog them to anyone.
Apple is never cheap because it wants to, its cheap when it cant sell enough. (like most buisnesses)
MACOSX sucks ): …
I am using it everyday @home & @work …
A P3-400 Mhz is faster then this dual G4 Box ….
After reading comments saying that OS X is a “hack of Linux” (where in the world did THAT come from??) and that its “still in beta”, I realize that I cannot possibly compete against such overwhelming ignorance. Honestly, to someone who actually knows OS X, some of you guys look like absolute raving lunatics.
well having used all i would have to say that xp is the least functional of all. it installs applications whereever it wants too. the native graphic drivers blow, firewire support is not standard, MS office is as slow as molasses and as buggy as northern canada. as for memory usage…..well now we know why pcs come with so much ram. not one linux/wniodows user i know has anything good to say about xp the only windows os that gets any sort of good words is 2000 and the stablilty on it is still questionable.
linux is really great but Xfree86 is in dire need of an overhaul. x pails compared to both windows and aqua.
os x is great i loved when it first came out and i can’t wait to get my new powerbook to give jaguar a good test run.
high memory usage? yeah but no more than any os. some apps are slow to open sure but those ar emostly MS apps (ie and office) but why use those apps when there are a pleuthora of free open source apps that i can run? why use office when i can run openoffice? why use ie when there are many many better browsers to use?
price well i used to be one to complain about this and i am still in no financial postion not to think this but like one person said earlier side by side macs include more so they cost more. beside hasn’t anyone ever taken econoimics at all? if your user base is small prices will be high.
also pc users that were born in the late seventies and eighties keep forgetting that pc almost got squashed out of the market place by apple. but gates created a gui os and apple made some bad business decisions so the tide turned. business is like that. in the ensuing twenty years pcs have improved vasy quality wise but for a long time they were cheaply made knockoffs o vastly better processors (etc).
but as “good” as the pc market is you still get what you paid for. a $999 pc may have a faster chip and more ram but i can guarantee you the in five years it is fit for the scrap heap it will have burned out or worse. well unless you run linux of course.
for $999 you get both firewire and usb and often a combo drive. but of course nobody considers comparing part for part they look at processor speeds and ram. yeah great sure go ahead and do that but what happens when that day comes when you finally buy that dv camera? oh **it right i gotta shell out $$$ for a firewire card.
somebody posted a price comparison between a mac and a pc a little earlier. emachines? come on. those suck major **s
anyway i just don’t get the hostility. “macs suck” “pcs suck” “linux sucks” yadda yadda. you don’t like it don’t use it but don’t diss me for my selections. none of them are superior to the other they have faults and good points all.
“it installs applications whereever it wants too. the native graphic drivers blow, firewire support is not standard, MS office is as slow as molasses and as buggy as northern canada.”
Programmers select the DEFAULT location of files.. so it saves u having to create a folder DUR. Firewire support is on the XP disk.. if thats not standard i dunno what is. MS office is slow and buggy.. funny it rips up 200 meg databases in the worst of the office apps access on my cel 400 at work. OSX runs office slower.
If u think Open office is as good as MS office.. erm.. ya well try it. Its sooooooooooooo sllllooooowww and got so many bugs it crashes more than it starts.
apples market share has never really been over 10% .. so yeah the industry was nearly dead.
“but as “good” as the pc market is you still get what you paid for. a $999 pc may have a faster chip and more ram but i can guarantee you the in five years it is fit for the scrap heap it will have burned out or worse. well unless you run linux of course. ”
ahuh lol
erm who DOSENT have a p2 200 sitting around running windows. How many ppl run a mac that old? Does it run OSX?
NOT A CHANCE
MAcs go obsolete much faster than PCS. Esp when apple makes them outdated before their time.. unlike MS and windows.
BTW Firewire comes standard with PCS these days.
And those $$ are like 20$ for a card thats got several ports.. your complaining about the cheapest PC u can buy not being reading for digital video editing.. ??
How much did u pay to upgrade to the latest version of OSX?
Win XP dosent charge for updates.
After reading comments saying that OS X is a “hack of Linux” (where in the world did THAT come from??) and that its “still in beta”,
How can u have a 10.1 product that was released without a complete CoreAudio implementation that was advertised to be in 10.0 .. its still in beta.. there are still functions to be added in the OS. Perhaps your not a programmer and dont know .. go read some Mac forums.
U heard of a thing called Darwin? .. u know that its really just linux that Apple put a new graphical user interface on top and a few other sets of functions.
Even the apple site goes on about the stability comming from “unix” not apple.. its a version or “hack” of unix.
With throughing in apache and all the other free linux apps its really a hack of linux isnt it?
Perhaps one day Apple will write there own web server.. or write there own operating system (again) but until then your running Unix with mosstly proprietry non open source Apple libraries on top.
“ahuh lol
erm who DOSENT have a p2 200 sitting around running windows. How many ppl run a mac that old? Does it run OSX?
NOT A CHANCE
MAcs go obsolete much faster than PCS. Esp when apple makes them outdated before their time.. unlike MS and windows.”
yes… a p2-200 will run XP….riight..
yeah microsoft really put a lot of effort into making sure modern versions of windows runs super-snappy on ancient hardware… … .. … . .yeah
dude, dont try and run a PCs last longer angle.. you just come of looking like a twit
“How much did u pay to upgrade to the latest version of OSX?
Win XP dosent charge for updates.”
ohh comon… do you take us all for complete morons?
you cant seriously be trying to argue microsoft doesnt charge for OS updates… microsoft want to force you to buy upgrades..
“U heard of a thing called Darwin? .. u know that its really just linux that Apple put a new graphical user interface on top and a few other sets of functions.”
yeess….. OSX is linux…. and so is IRIX…and Solaris. but they were smart about it, they used a Delorian to steal the code from the future…..
“Even the apple site goes on about the stability comming from “unix” not apple.. its a version or “hack” of unix.
With throughing in apache and all the other free linux apps its really a hack of linux isnt it?”
…………. … . why even bother…
….
“Perhaps one day Apple will write there own web server.”
because open souce apache is bad?
“. or write there own operating system (again)”
so who did write it… oh thats right.. apple stole it from NeXT.. and xerox.. and … linux
ohh wait a sec.. ohh. im talking crap
“but until then your running Unix with mosstly proprietry non open source Apple libraries on top.”
yeah.. i guess that last couple of decades have proven just how hopeless proprietry UNIX systems are…
As a non-game player, I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about the latest and greatest intel chip. The difference between a 1Ghz and 2Ghz machine for what I do is marginal, so for me it is purely about the way it looks, feels and how easily (less fuss) I can get my work done. For this, the mac wins every time.
I love it when the same folks spend their precious time typing the same thing over and over in any mac thread here.
And when they get called on their posts, they usually do the ‘mac zealots,idiots thing’.
“huh lol
erm who DOSENT have a p2 200 sitting around running windows. How many ppl run a mac that old? Does it run OSX?
NOT A CHANCE
MAcs go obsolete much faster than PCS. Esp when apple makes them outdated before their time.. unlike MS and windows. ”
Not true at all , I got a 6 year old 7600 running OS x server for my studio.But I guess that doesn’t matter.
“After reading comments saying that OS X is a “hack of Linux” (where in the world did THAT come from??) and that its “still in beta”, I realize that I cannot possibly compete against such overwhelming ignorance. Honestly, to someone who actually knows OS X, some of you guys look like absolute raving lunatics.”
couldn’t agree more. i would go on to defend OS X against these peopl but it is just a waste of time because they know squat read squat and understand squat.
i will just point out i have used linux, three different versions of windows, and lots of different versions of mac os and i will always prefer mac os. windows just never appealed to me and never will.
(oh and for the sake of the using old computers my fathers busuiness has over twenty years of duifferent macs the oldest, a mac plus boriginal from 1984, is still in use and shows no singns of quitting. and until late last year they were using 7000 series power macs” now they are using two year old g4’s and a new imac 15″ and they are even more productive. if need be they can still fire up the old 7000’s at anytime using os 9. they don’t use os x because the cad software they use cannot run on os x. and in the last five years only one of their computers required an update hardware wise and that same computer was the only one that had any problems in the last five years. no data was lost. in the five months our lab has had a brand spanking new pc the mobo has been replaced as has the network card. MS office has broken several times, the network, etc. my old bondi imac ran osx for four months without a crash, freeze or being rebooted and i had very similar results with OS 9 which i consider apple’s worst pre X release)
i love the way when i point out your delusions about the PC and Mac, you all return with “Oh i cant be bothered responding to this”..
Erm.. thats a responce in itself! And then u go on blah blah ilike Mac.. thats fine.. but my post actually has points in responce to your FUD about PCS. EAch time u all ignore the facts.. out of all the points i made, its come down to 1 responce from the MAcers.. That 1 person DOES run OSX on an old machine. Everyones gone quite on the “Macs have latest games “”Macs have all latest graphics cards” “Macs can be upgraded” “OSX is more full featured than windows””.. etc etc ..
I seem to remember many mac users complaining about OSX and Apple forcing ppl to upgrade even new hardware because Apple couldnt be bothered supporting older hardware. If u look on Toms hardware he booted XP on a p100 didnt he? I installed XP on a p2 200 at work and it goes great.. no slower than 98 works great.
Lets get to the point.. just because U like OSX better does not make it better.. it means u like it better. Perhaps Mac users have male genital envy, there are many more PC users with faster machines so everytime the chance comes they go on how they like Mac better *there for* it is better. IE Faster, more functional and other things that simply arent true.
Its allways the same bull, like Macs are made of better components, Macs are cheaper, OSX has more features than windows (ahuh ya).
Once again u failed to prove anything, i only bother posting here because i dont like lies and conjecture being passed off as the truth on such an estimed technical web site.
If every mac artical didnt have responces like “All the latest games are on Mac” “Macs are faster” “Macs use better components than PCs” i wouldnt bother responding.
What really pisses me off is how any negative Mac artical u guys claim bias. If u want to convince ppl (which u so obviously have a need to) then try being seen to be objective.
Oh about PCS crashing i oftern fix my friends new OSX box, everytime his mac sleeps, the inbuilt audio card cant take it and locks his Mac HARD. He also couldnt get coreaudio (even though his used a mac for music for 10 years) and midi working, he then had problems with the USB midi device itself. Eventually i got it working for him.
For every “PC crashed on me” story there is a “Mac crashed for me”.. note: theres 10x more PCS than MAcs in the world.
I really wish some ppl who post here could learn some logic at uni. Your arguments are never valid, its like saying i bought a new porche and it had a problem, yet my friend bought a goggomobile and his works therefor all porches have problems and gogoomobiles are better.
If u want to convince ppl, respond to each point i put specifically, and use proper logic.
Does anyone else notice allmost all responces to me are just calling me an idiot.. well mr 5 year olds.. your an idiot 2, only i understand logic and how to debate.
“That 1 person DOES run OSX on an old machine.”
Yeah , and one person said it wasn’t done and that was you.
“Does anyone else notice allmost all responces to me are just calling me an idiot”
Which is exactly the opposite of what I wrote.LOL!!!!!!!!
Projection.
As to the rest of your postages, why bother responding in detail?
OS X works great for me and it’s obvious your only here to pick a ‘fught’.
Been there, done that—- years ago.