Home > Amiga & AROS > Fleecy Moss Answers Community Questions – Week 2 Fleecy Moss Answers Community Questions – Week 2 Guest post by Mike Bouma 2003-03-23 Amiga & AROS 18 Comments Amiga’s CTO answered 10 more Amiga community questions at the AmigaWorld community portal. Mr. Moss has recently agreed to answer 10 questions a week from AmigaWorld visitors. 18 Comments 2003-03-23 7:59 pm Nothing new there then….. 2003-03-23 8:11 pm I have to say it doesn’t exactly fill me with confidence to read the amateur-hour business plan answer to the first question. The rest of the answers all have the ‘if/when/maybe’ tone too. Multiply this with the fact that they can’t figure out their primary target market (STB, consumer, embedded OS, custom hardware). Those goalposts and buzzwords just keep changing all the time. The whole Amiga effort has been looking more and more like a carrot (Amiga) in front of a donkey (target market) experience. The stick also seems to be broken, and is swinging around, so the donkey isn’t even going in a straight line (busdev goals). Which is all very unfortunate and tragic. 2003-03-23 8:21 pm The initial main target is AmigaOS fans. (Dektop usage, application developers) But the OS is also targeted for embedded usage, this mainly because of the small memory footprint and overall performance requirements for which AmigaOS is well known. (Mainly STB). The development is progressing well and steady, but not in most optimal conditions. Many people keep confusing the AmigaDE with AmigaOS and vice versa and so they claim that the targets and goals seems to change all the time. These are two different projects, partly overlapping, but mainly seperate oppertunities. 2003-03-23 10:40 pm Hi, Come on… Do you ever really see Tao running on top of AmigaOS ? Even if they ever manage to do that: what for ?!? Leo. 2003-03-24 3:34 am I hear a lot of market speak here and vague goals. Does Amiga know what its doing? And will OS4 be out before OpenBeOS R1? 2003-03-24 3:38 am @ Leo For the same reason why its runnning on linux & Windows. 2003-03-24 4:28 am to bring both amiga and BeOS community with a AROS/OBOS api binding. The same thing that was started around the WinBe project. That would allow to run lot more of app on both side. I’m not sure if i want to go back to the amiga side, all beos do is good for me. I still need they should go the NeoGeo/SNK way: doing really harcore high cost kick ass machine. In fact i STILL have to find what an amiga allow me to do that BeOS can’t. And amiga fan don’t flame me i still have lot of use and project for my 2 amiga’s 2003-03-24 5:13 am ive been an amiga fan since the days of my a500 and i want… almost desperately… for the amiga os 4/ amiga one to be a success, but…. i cant help but feel the chance is slipping away… i know they arent ready… arent satisfied with what they have… but they NEED to release something… even an alpha build…. the developers are what is going to make or break them… and if they get discouraged quite frankly it truly is all over… so here we have an attempted phoenix like resurrection of a dead os (yes, dead… i have no illusions that me and the other winuae users and those who still run amigas beside pcs but rarely touch them constitute a “living” market) that looks more like a sick sparrow with one tail feather caught on fire… if history is any indication the sdk will cost money (sdk? come on not even m$ does THAT) its starting to make me long for the days of commodore’s death throes no.. im not an anti-amiga troll… if you look at my past posts youll see that i think it was FAR superior to ANYTHING we have today(have even defended mr bouma a time or two in the past)… but g-zus people enuf is enuf! 2003-03-24 9:28 am >I’m not sure if i want to go back to the amiga side, all beos do is good for me. I still need they should go the NeoGeo/SNK way: doing really harcore high cost kick ass machine. To produce a such kick ass machine, you would need a lot of money… Just have a look at the cost of the PSX developement Seeing that Amiga doesn’t have enough money to produce T-Shirts, do you really think they could afford the developement of a complete custom machine ? @LOL: you mean… NOTHING ? 2003-03-24 11:19 am This is such a great idea! Thank you Fleecy and AmigaWorld! 2003-03-24 11:45 am All theses “it will ship when it will be ready sentences” make s me laugh… I’m an amiga fan but I don’t think there will be any OS4 soon. But there will always people to keep dreaming and waiting (“hope OS4 will ship soon… Oh this feature list is so exciting”). I’m fed up of all of this. Amiga.inc allways delaying the shipping date, there are no demo, all the screenshots are taken from an amiga classic. All of that makes me think there is (will ?) no OS4. So my suggestion would be to wait for Pegasos/Morphos which is for me the only viable Amiga alternative (allmost compatible and so faaaast) but their support sucks :/. 2003-03-24 3:50 pm not much longer now amiga are even advertising os 4 in total amiga magazine so ill just wait for my preordered a1 g4 xe .and dont buy a Pegasos/Morphos based machine there crap. 2003-03-24 4:21 pm Why don’t they just do a BSD port, open office, and netscape! Then put the amiga API and GUI on top. Apple doesn’t have the resources to re-write an OS from scratch how can Amiga! Right before the OS died, I remember a lot of people suggesting that to Commodore. Instead they made a CRAPY unix port. Even if you make the best OS in the world, nobody will buy it unless you have a very clever buisness plan capable of running circles around Microsoft. I had my amiga until 1998. I held on as long as I could. You need a real browser ,office suite and java at the very least. 2003-03-24 9:37 pm > Why don’t they just do a BSD port If you want Linux or BSD, why not just use Linux or BSD? The advantages AmigaOS offered cannot be well implemented while using such underlying technologies. MacOS X is even far slower and even more resource hungry than previous classic MacOS releases. There are dozens of developers working on AmigaOS4, the individual components are already as good as finished as they are planned for AmigaOS4.0. The integration of these components is also progressing, and already boots into a Workbench environment on PowerPC enabled classic Amigas. > Even if you make the best OS in the world, nobody will > buy it unless you have a very clever buisness plan > capable of running circles around Microsoft. They will target niche markets and I don’t see Amiga running circles around this rival/partner’s PR machine anytime soon. > You need a real browser ,office suite and java at the > very least. They agree. 2003-03-24 11:13 pm Sorry team… Can’t help myself… As poor as I think these communications are, they are a HUGE improvemnt over the NOTHING the Amiga community has been getting for some time. Just hearing from Fleecy reasures me that the rumors of their death are untrue. (or “greatly exagurated” to quote Mark Twain) Now for the corney quote: “It’s Life Jim but not as we know it!” Regards Darren 2003-03-25 9:36 am @Mike Any source for this (that it already would boot into a WB on classic PPC-Amigas)? Anyway – means not much until all components are integrated and working correctly. Since you’re having such good connections – how far is Petunia (the 68k-emu) and its integration into OS4 currently? 2003-03-25 11:23 am Source: Frieden brothers. For further details I prefer you would contact them directly. They will have to decide how much further information they are willing to share with rival developers. 2003-03-25 11:27 am The Amiga team wants to deliver a non-rushed quality product only. If that means people would move to rival solutions, then so be it. They feel confident that when AmigaOS4 is finished alot of such people will eventually return to the Amiga platform.