Home > Mac OS X > System-wide Brushed Metal Interface on Mac OS X 10.3-Panther? System-wide Brushed Metal Interface on Mac OS X 10.3-Panther? Eugenia Loli 2003-03-27 Mac OS X 69 Comments MacCritic are writing down their opinion on the rumors that say that Mac OS X 10.3 Panther will use the “Metal” interface system-wide. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 69 Comments 2003-03-27 5:56 pm http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/AquaHIGuideli… “Avoid using the textured window appearance in applications or utilities that are unrelated to digital peripherals or to the data associated with these devices.” I really wish Apple would follow this. Safari is about the worst I’ve seen as far as breaking this guideline goes. I don’t like the brushed metal look at all. I really hope Apple doesn’t take this approach, or if they do if it becomes a user customizable option. 2003-03-27 6:04 pm I hope they allow you to turn off ALL of the Special Effects. I love the classic look! I also want SPEED. Even Microsoft allows you to turn off the XP gui. In fact, I think the GUI is TOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOWEY!! YUK!! Dan 2003-03-27 6:06 pm Here is how my 12″ Powerbook looks daily: http://img.osnews.com/img/3131/osx.png (that’s safari 0.67 I think that the safari tabs have a bit too dark color which makes it difficult to read the text, but overall it ain’t bad.. My only gripe with OSX was not the metal apps, but the stripes on the back of the aqua apps that made it really bad looking on this LCD screen (the stripes don’t look as bad on the CRTs). So, I found a hack and took the stripes out, and now I am happy. 2003-03-27 6:10 pm Looprumors reported this last week. I mail them to find some more info – in their opnions system wide would prob. mean all the apps, but not menu bar. Or, if it really will be system wide, there will be an option to change it. In any case, it’s just a really lousy idea. Brushed is nice, IN MODERATION!! As one person has already pointed out, making Safari brushed was a huge mistake, totally uneccessary and even against apple’s own interface guidelines. iApps, fine. Safari, Mail, Sherlock, finder, Sys Prefs, Menu bar……no way! I do want more consistency from apple (widget’s should behave the same at all times, brushed should have strict guidelines and these should be adhered to), but System Wide Brushed Metal is NOT the consistency i’m looking for. On the other hand, consider this: Keynote was released just 2/3 months ago. If a move to all brushed metal was planned, surely Keynote would have been brushed from day one. But it’s not, it’s pinstripe. L. 2003-03-27 6:10 pm “I hope they allow you to turn off ALL of the Special Effects. I love the classic look! I also want SPEED.” i would have to second that opinion. I am a winXP user at work, a redhat/mandrake user at home, and i do get to play with a mac osX from time to time (i have colleages who are graphics artists). This doesn’t make me a mac-expert at all, i don’t get the chance to configure it the way i like and so on but… i really have to say,i find mac OSX is about the worst interface of them all. I really don’t see why the icons in the taskbar have to start moving when you hover over them. I really don’t see why a selected item in a dropdown needs to blink 3 times before doing what was asked. I really don’t see why those macs need to be slowed down even more, or why their users need to be wasting time waiting for animations to end 2003-03-27 6:12 pm I also loath the look of brushed metal and I’m not even a Mac user 2003-03-27 6:19 pm I love Eugenia’ Mac OS desktop and I normally hate OS X and it’s looks. 2003-03-27 6:22 pm “I really wish Apple would follow this. Safari is about the worst I’ve seen as far as breaking this guideline goes.” According to your link to the UI guidelines, it does NOT break their UI guidelines. “Within an application, the textured window appearance should be limited to the primary application window. Supporting windows, such as preferences and other dialogs, should not use the textured window appearance. It is acceptable to have a mix of standard Aqua windows and textured windows within an application.” 2003-03-27 6:27 pm I also loath the look of brushed metal and I’m not even a Mac user I have to agree. In all the times I’ve used OSX, the metal apps have always stuck out like a sore thumb. Way worse than having separate themes for KDE and GNOME, way worse than running 10 different windows apps that all look different. Its even worse due to the fact that Apple has such a normally rigid HIG, but the entire purpose of even having brushed metal apps is simply mind boggling, to me. 2003-03-27 6:27 pm I have mentioned this before at another site but didn’t know it was going around as a rumor. I said, with all the apps they are releasing now which are brushed (which really shouldn’t be, like safari). If they do make some interface changes to Panther this would be a likely choice. I think though that a theme change or other major interface changes like it should be saved for the next major revision meaing, OS11 or something. P.S. if you want system wide brushed metal you could always use Max Rudberg’s brushed theme. 2003-03-27 6:30 pm I wrote up a petition against this, If anyone is interested. Even if this is just a rumor, i think its a good idea to get an opinion on paper. Sign it if youd like! http://www.petitionpetition.com/cgi/petition.cgi?id=5397 2003-03-27 6:35 pm “According to your link to the UI guidelines, it does NOT break their UI guidelines. ” uhhh, if you use safari you will notice that it will occasionally use textured windows for preferences and sheets. So it DOES go AGAINST the referring stanza of the HIG. Also, a browser in no way is an extension of a digital hardware device. This is against the HIG… 2003-03-27 6:38 pm Hey, I really don’t like the brushed metal look on any app. I wish Apple would give the end-user’s the ability to turn brushed metal off. That’s the major reason I don’t use Safari now. I downloaded the last public beta, ran it, though “Hmmm, pretty fast, decent rendering of pages, no tabs, UI sucks” and then stopped using it and went back to Camino (the old Chimera), which does all the things I like, even if it is a tad slower than Safari, but it looks a heck of a lot better. 2003-03-27 6:40 pm “uhhh, if you use safari you will notice that it will occasionally use textured windows for preferences and sheets. So it DOES go AGAINST the referring stanza of the HIG.” I use it everyday. Where does it use textured windows for preferences? “Also, a browser in no way is an extension of a digital hardware device. This is against the HIG…” Again… “Within an application, the textured window appearance should be limited to the primary application window. Supporting windows, such as preferences and other dialogs, should not use the textured window appearance. It is acceptable to have a mix of standard Aqua windows and textured windows within an application.” 2003-03-27 6:42 pm The icons moving when you move your mouse over the Dock(that’s what it’s called… it’s not “Taskbar”) is an effect called magnification. It’s a remedy for those who complain about Dock icons becoming too small when you have a nuber of things in the Dock(as they scale down smoothly so the Dock will fit on the screen). This is incredibly easy to shut off. Just control-click or right-click on the divider in the Dock, between the applications section and the documents/folders/Trash section, then click on “Turn Magnification off”. I believe the blinking can also be turned off, but it does serve a purpose. It’s verification that an item has been selected. Also, on the Dock, you can set(via System Preferences), icons not to bounce when an application is loading. Instead the little black arrow under them pulses. It’s really quite a configurable GUI. 2003-03-27 6:43 pm …but I think this is a great idea. I’m not a Mac user (yet, anyway) but I have used OSX and found the default Aqua very difficult to read – the horizontal lines play havoc with my imperfect eyesight – for some people any bright UI can be very painful. I normally use Win2k with all the colours toned down but the best – for looking at – desktop for me has to be WinXP Luna with the title bars shrunk down a lot. A metalled OS would be stylish and low – intensity, perfect for me. 2003-03-27 6:48 pm The HIG has NEVER been a hard and fast set of black and white rules. Hint: GUIDElines. Apple has always had inconsistencies, and they’ve always written entries to be open ended: “This window style has been designed specifically for use by—and is therefore best suited to…” “Best suited to”–i.e. this is the original intention but they can see applications for the style BEYOND what they specifically state. Also, why do people only quote parts of it: “This window style has been designed specifically for use by—and is therefore best suited to—applications that provide an interface for a digital peripheral, such as a camera, or an interface for managing data shared with digital peripherals, such as the Address Book application.” “This appearance may also be appropriate for applications that strive to re-create a familiar physical device—the Calculator application, for example. Avoid using the textured window appearance in applications or utilities that are unrelated to digital peripherals or to the data associated with these devices.” People don’t say the Address Book is inconsistent, but they whine about Safari. Guess what: Safari is an “interface for managing data shared with digital peripherals” (including the Address Book, Mail, and anything they connect to; do people forget that Safari is one of the better Rendezvous-enable apps?) Further: “Within an application, the textured window appearance should be limited to the primary application window.” I think this is saying less about peripheral windows and is saying more about the style being applied to single window apps. I’ll repeat the HIG is a set of GUIDElines. They are subjective. Apple has always written them to be open-ended. They have ALWAYS gone outside the recommendations of the HIG themselves. They intend the HIG to be a way to DIRECT and LEAD development, but it also always evolves. 2003-03-27 6:56 pm Apple seems to be telling its users what they like. I am a Macintosh user because it gives me choice and ease of use. Why should Steve Jobs, or anyone else at Apple, tell me what I want to see as far as themes? I can deal with the standard Aqua look though it robs the CPU of its power. If other people want the brushed metal look, let them have it as a choice. If someone else wants another look, let it be a choice too. I found recently that WinXP gave me a lot of choices as far as themes go. KDE does this as well. Apple needs to be open to far faster ways to display information which just happen to appeal to users. 2003-03-27 7:02 pm Hey Eugenia, what pager/virutal desktop manager is that? Just got my 17″ pbook the other day and I desperately need a good one. ty 2003-03-27 7:04 pm “If other people want the brushed metal look, let them have it as a choice. If someone else wants another look, let it be a choice too.” You can. Do you use a Mac? Then what do you care? I have a fully brushed metal them, several others, an Aqua without pinstripes, and the original Aqua theme. Doesn’t anyone recognize that maybe Apple wanted to establish a very distinctive look-and-feel for the infancy of its new flagship OS, but that they will reintroduce themes once they have done so, and they can insure the OS can handle other styles? Doesn’t anyone think that if there is an option to be all brushed-metal that it is likely there will be a CHOICE between brush-metal and Aqua? And that by providing this choice they will be enabling other third-party choices to be used more easily? Doesn’t anyone think this whole posting is a retarded flamebait anyway considering this is one of the least significant of all rumors re: Panther out there from the least reliable of rumor sources on the web? Why aren’t we discussing Giampaolo’s work on the FS? or 64bit-ness? or how would you improve the Dock? etc… 2003-03-27 7:09 pm I think it would be nice if they would implement something akin to user skins in the OS. At the very least it would be nice to see the following options somewhere in the general preferences: O Make all windows Aqua O Make all windows Metal O Make all windows use application default Then I could choose what I wanted and everyone (except those who hate Aqua AND Metal) would be happy. 2003-03-27 7:10 pm Mac people blow my mind. I have an Indigo iMac and a 733 Graphite G4. Both still run Sys 9 because God-honest, Aqua actually makes me nauseous. Brushed Metal would finally get me to upgrade, as well as gain more respect from other OS users, and the Mac-heads hate it. I do agree with one thing though: choice, including turning off *everything*. OSX is horribly stiff compared to other OS’s. 2003-03-27 7:12 pm >Hey Eugenia, what pager/virutal desktop manager is that? http://freshmeat.net/releases/117711/ 2003-03-27 7:16 pm tyvm 2003-03-27 7:22 pm Take your pick. http://homepage.mac.com/max_08/index.htm http://swizcore.com/SS/macOSX.php Don’t like stripes – Remove them You DO like metal interface – Add it Want something a little different – Add it The choices are all there for you. Have fun. 2003-03-27 7:28 pm You’re a Mac user still using 9; you like the metal look. So why are you saying Mac-head’s are stupid. There are plenty of us that have differing views, but you are lumping everyone together and saying their opinion is idiotic. I use a theme quite unlike Apple’s preferences. I actually like the idea of an interface theme within another theme to make some apps distinct. I like having other choices. And I like Aqua too. You have your own opinion as well, adn then you lump all “Mac-heads” together? Don’t get it. 2003-03-27 7:38 pm For all you who either hate or love the Metal look (personally, I hate it), Unsanity has a great application that will either enable or disable the Metal look system wide. It’s called (De)Metallifizer [ http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/metallifizer ]. 2003-03-27 7:38 pm and reportedly you’ll be able to turn it off. sounds good 2003-03-27 7:45 pm Let OS X have an option to turn antialiasing off *completely*, and I’ll be the next mac customer (next to my A1 of course 😉 ) Eugenia’s screenshot only, makes me dizzy. 2003-03-27 7:50 pm You can go to System Preferences and turn the Font Smoothing off for fonts 12pt sizes and under. Since most standard point sizes are normally 10 -12pt that should work for you. 2003-03-27 7:52 pm what i don’t get is why the UI elements (text fields, title bars, header zones, etc) are so big in OSX; it makes a 1024-768-sized screen look cuttered in an instant. the “obese” UI started with AppleWorks 6 under OS9, what happend? apple hired a few too many near-sighted UI designers? 2003-03-27 7:55 pm Anonymous, take a deep breath and try again. And stop trying to twist other people’s words. Where did I use the words “stupid” or “idiotic” or imply thats what I thought. The irrationality of your post just about says it all. Turn off your computer and get out of the house more often. 2003-03-27 8:01 pm edit the file ~/Library/Preferences/.GlobalPreferences.plist change AppleAntiAliasingThreshold to a nice big value (set the font size to a number much higher than 12 if you want) Rasta, I didn’t mean to put words in your mouth, but you were saying there was something wrong with Mac-heads–my point was: if you use Macs and disagree with them, why lump them together and think they all have the same opinion. What is your opinion of them then if they blow your mind? My using words like “idiotic” and “stupid” is irrelevent–your bigotry is still apparent. 2003-03-27 8:30 pm You gotta find this one funny. Apple is following Enlightenment in this situation. E popularized the brushed metal back in the mid 1990s I personally kinda like the look: it’s much more edgy than the (IMHO) same-old, same-old rut computer interfaces seem to have fallen into. Personally, I want my computer to look like: http://www.xeofreestyle.com Of course, this whole brushed metal thing points out a flaw in Apple’s dogma. People *do* have different tastes. One company cannot unilaterally dictate how everyone’s computer should look. I can totally customize my cellphone, so why not my computer? This will become even more important as a new generation of computer users, ones that grew up with computers, start becoming the target market of the computer industry. To these users, the computer is an everyday object, just like a car or a cellphone. At that point, customizing becomes a manner of expressing identity. 2003-03-27 8:35 pm I wonder what happened to the careful and well thought out UI design that Apple used to be famous for? Not everything in Mac OS X is badly designed, there’s actually a lot that’s great. But I feel that Apple just aren’t putting much throught or usability testing into their products these days. Apple haven’t had a great track record since the terrible Quicktime 4 UI, with it’s inelegant thumbwheel volume control. But at least Apple do seem fairly good at listening to customer complaints. Sooner or later problems tend to get fixed and often requested features get added. Even if Panther is the UI disaster that some people fear, Apple will hopefully listen to the complaints and fix it. But it’s a real shame that Apple seem to be almost as bad as Microsoft at following their own user interface guidelines. 2003-03-27 8:41 pm Imaginereno: ummm are you blind? Or do you just read half of everything? “Avoid using the textured window appearance in applications or utilities that are unrelated to digital peripherals or to the data associated with these devices.” Who cares what the second part says about the main window being textured, but none others? It needs to fall in line with the main rule, which i have quoted above, please read it this time. 2003-03-27 8:41 pm If you turn off AA in OS X, I recommend also changing the default font (the upcoming Silk 2 will allow you to do that, or if you can find it the alpha version of Silk 1.5). The standard Lucida Grande 13 font looks horrible when not AA’d, where fonts like Tahoma or Verdana look great. See this scren shot: http://www2.hdm-stuttgart.de/~sw19/visu/800ibook.png 2003-03-27 9:01 pm Eugenia, I got rid of the metallic look in Safari because of my lousy eyesight. Without it, the Aqua look is sort of boring – if the toolbar was more colorful, it would be nice. But, a more colorful toolbar would look bad with the brushed metal look. LOL, can’t win! 🙂 2003-03-27 9:05 pm “My using words like “idiotic” and “stupid” is irrelevent…” “So why are you saying Mac-head’s are stupid.” “…you are…saying their opinion is idiotic.” Words are extremely relevent, especialy when you accuse someone of using them when they didn’t. Maybe *my* words weren’t complete enough. I should have started *Some* “Mac people blow my mind.”. My use of the term “mac-heads” was refering to fanatics, some of which posted on the first page, that weren’t talking choice or mere opinion. They were saying or strongly implying that Brushed Metal shouldn’t be, period. One even went so far as to start a petition. “…your bigotry is still apparent.” Well you got me there. I HATE fanatics whether MacFascist, PC drone, Linux Zealot or Amiga freak. These types don’t even know what they’re talking about when they slag one another. They use hear-say and lies as facts and make their ignorance clear to eveyone. Of all the points in life and issues in the world to take up as a cause, what machine or OS one or someone else uses has got to be the sadest. 2003-03-27 9:11 pm if the toolbar was more colorful, it would be nice The buttons are stored as a couple of .tifs inside the application bundle, you can easily change them if you like. 2003-03-27 9:21 pm Pictures like that once in a while makes me wish even more have the money to afford one of those Apple’s machines… Unfortunately, they are too expensive here in Brazil. God, THAT’S beautiful! 🙂 2003-03-27 9:25 pm I know this is offtopic, but what are your thoughts on your PowerBook now that you’ve had it for a little while? Would you recommend it to others? My income tax returns should be coming in the mail any day now. 2003-03-27 9:41 pm I was so upset by this article that I went to Apple’s website and wrote them an e-mail stating my dissatisfaction witht the brushed metal interface and the reason that I don’t use Safari is because of it. I much prefer Camino and the overall Aqua interface to brushed metal and hope that perhaps if more people let Apple know directly this opinion things will stay that way. 2003-03-27 9:42 pm 10.3 is _not_ a required patch or hack, its an upgrade. Don’t like it? Don’t buy it! When 10.3.1 comes out with the ability to choose the default effects, then go ahead and buy it…bleh, senseless complaining 2003-03-27 9:43 pm Thanks for the info, stew!! 2003-03-27 9:57 pm Safari uses the brushed metal look for the download manager as well. That’s another window in addition to the main one. Safari does not take the place of a real world device. Safari is not a media player. Safari does not exchange data with external devices. There’s absolutely no way that Safari follows the interface guidelines. I suppose I’m biased in that I despise the brushed metal look. I’ve reluctantly switched from OmniWeb to Safari… and ChromeKiller does help make Safari’s look much more tolerable. People used to joke about a web browser being the worst possible application to use the brushed metal look for, as far as Apple’s guideliness went. Then Apple came out with Safari… 2003-03-27 10:18 pm Apple is breaking UI guidelines in other places too: The “Show Package Contents” command is only available in Finder’s context menu where the guidlines clearly state that context menus must be a subset of the application’s main menu. ProjectBuilder does not bring up a new window when you click its Dock icon, and it’s using MDI. New document windows should be called “untitled n”, where the guidelines clearly state that “untitled” is in lower case. Guess what Safari’s doing. iPhoto quits the application when you close the window, which it shouldn’t do. And so on… 2003-03-27 10:19 pm i dont really mind the brushed metal. on this LCD, if im not paying attention it looks grey to me anyway. -Kev 2003-03-27 10:26 pm The HIG has NEVER been a hard and fast set of black and white rules. Hint: GUIDElines. The problem is Safari is an experiment in how flagrantly the Human Interface guidelines can be broken. In my opinion, the experiment was a failure. Apple has shown a complete disregard for the Aqua Human Interface guidelines. They release application after application that uses the brushed metal look, and furthermore program custom widgets for each one (like iCal) Usability certainly suffers on many of these (look at iChat or the DVD player) I really hope Apple keeps with the Aqua/Graphite looks of the previous OS X releases and doesn’t go for full brushed metal. 2003-03-27 10:40 pm To those who want to turn off aqua like you can turn off themes on windows. It’s not possible. Aqua is at such a low level on OSX that if you removed it there wouldn’t be a window left. Just pick a more conservative looking theme from a third party. Max Rudberg even has a version of classic platinum for OSX. 2003-03-28 12:00 am If you don’t like the brushed metal look in Safari, you can download a hack from versiontracker.com or if you have the developer tools installed, you can open the *.nib file and change it yourself. 2003-03-28 12:55 am Personally, I want my computer to look like: 2003-03-28 12:57 am Oh yeah… just because something is called a GUIDEline does not mean that it should be ignored as often as it is… What’s the point in having guidelines if people take every opportunit to claim that they don’t apply “in this case?” 2003-03-28 1:43 am ..and I’ve turned my XP into something similar… http://home.iprimus.com.au/bres5/mockmac.jpg sorry about the quality of the screenshot though…it was for another site that had a 100k limit on uploaded pictures so I had to dumb it down quite a bit then zip it to fit 2003-03-28 3:20 am If Apple switches to the brushed metal look for everything I might have to reconsider my plan to buy a powerbook or ibook this summer. The brushed metal look is absolutly horrible looking. 2003-03-28 4:30 am What apps/themes did you use to get all that??? Do tell! 2003-03-28 5:09 am @imagenero: Safari clearly broke it; (from http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/AquaHIGuideli… ) One Textured Windows: Mac OS X version 10.2 provides developers with a new “textured” window appearance (see Figure 5-4). This window style has been designed specifically for use by—and is therefore best suited to—applications that provide an interface for a digital peripheral, such as a camera, or an interface for managing data shared with digital peripherals, such as the Address Book application. This appearance may also be appropriate for applications that strive to re-create a familiar physical device—the Calculator application, for example. Avoid using the textured window appearance in applications or utilities that are unrelated to digital peripherals or to the data associated with these devices. Within an application, the textured window appearance should be limited to the primary application window. Supporting windows, such as preferences and other dialogs, should not use the textured window appearance. It is acceptable to have a mix of standard Aqua windows and textured windows within an application. In other words, what every English comprehension teacher would teach is that the last paragraph doesn’t mean Safari can have texture windows, as it must follow the rules set in paragraph 1 or the exception in paragraph 2. And to Anonymous (IP: —.geomatrix.com), you have said developers don’t need to follow the HIG because it is merely a guide, lets’ see the defination of “guidelines” Main Entry: guide·line Pronunciation: ‘gId-“lIn Function: noun Date: 1785 : a line by which one is guided : as a : a cord or rope to aid a passer over a difficult point or to permit retracing a course b : an indication or outline of policy or conduct (Webster) So in other words, it is a policy of Mac OS X to have developers follow the entire HIG. And from Aqua HIG, the whole point of the HIG is to have “The user interface features, behaviors, and appearances introduced in Aqua deliver a well organized and cohesive user experience available to all applications developed for Mac OS X.” (Introduction to the Aqua Human Interface Guidelines). In other words, the whole point of the HIG is completely thrown out the window when its creator, Apple, don’t even follow it for applications in the future it would make part of Mac OS X. What I’m trying to say the thing that made Apple’s Mac OS the best UI around (more or else) is its consistency, and now Apple is throwing that right out the window. Heck, probably one day, maybe Mac OS 12 or Mac OS 13, it would be as inconsistent as Windows itself. 2003-03-28 5:12 am An INDICATION or OUTLINE is NOT a DEFINITION, rajan r. 2003-03-28 6:34 am rajan r, amen. Thank you for trying to clarify this matter. insignia, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say but your response was utterly incomprehensable. 2003-03-28 6:49 am if Apple wants to transition to metal for all interfaces, why doesn’t it just change the HIG? 2003-03-28 8:31 am I just don’t like methal user interface, aqua is the one I like. 2003-03-28 10:44 am Awww, come on! A hollywood desktop like that would be sooooooooo cool I’m in love. One day, I’m going to sit down and hack out a Linux desktop/widget toolkit based entirely on hardware accelerated SVG rendering so I can have a desktop made purely of special effects 2003-03-28 11:15 am “What apps/themes did you use to get all that??? Do tell!” There’s a bit there: I’ve got the GBrushed StyleXP theme, Opera with the Metal Blue theme, ObjectBar dock, QCD with the iTunes skin, yzShadow for the shadows on windows and menus, yzToolbar to change the explorer buttons…hmmm…i think that’s it. If you want some of these parts and get stuck let me know 2003-03-28 1:43 pm I don’t know about hers, but my new 12-inch PB after 1 month is dead in the water. It took 2 hours on phone with tech suppot at Apple for them to decide for me to send it in. They have no idea what is wrong and said that they would probably simply replace it. -jason 2003-03-28 2:41 pm Apple should just make these things an option. They can have a default mode following their design guidelines, and an advanced menu somewhere in System Preferences that can allow you to customize to make everything metal or everything something else. You can already find third party haxies that do this. I use one that makes everything metal (I know I’m in the minority, but I like it), although it doesn’t work with some apps like MS Word. Then they should release instructions to build plug-in themes/modules that would allow users to develop their own themes so that the look is completely customizable for people who want to bother doing that. For instance, you could have a brushed metal texture, but with a gold color. Or copper. Or whatever you want. Metalization should be an option that extends not only to windows, but also to the taskbar in the finder, icon sets, cursors, etc… (you can already do this via 3rd party haxies, but it’s a pain. The only work Apple has to do is to provide a standard system for customization. Enthusiasts will develop themes by themselves. Most users will stick to the classic Aqua look, and when the technology is developed enough Apple can refine it, make it more user-friendly and have yet another unique feature in its OS. My 2¢ anyway… 2003-03-28 3:01 pm According to Apple UI guidlines Brushed Metal is only for single window applications that have some kind of functionality and resamblance to a real world media-appliance. 2003-03-28 4:02 pm Personally, I find the Metal interface ugly on applications that provide resizable windows. So IMO it would be fine to use Metal for the calculator for example, but not for Safari. I have seen the screenshot of Eugenia, and I have a question. Those letters are so vague, does OS X apply a blur effect to all fonts? Yes, I know, there is anti-aliasing but this is a bit too much, I guess… 2003-03-28 8:10 pm I don’t like the brushed metal interface, but anything goes if I don’t have to see those awful gray stripes anymore. I HATE them. No more chewing gum GUIs Apple, please. 2003-03-29 2:44 am Well, yeah. For some developers creating applications which GUI functions not listed in the HIG – calling it a guideline does a whole of good. In addition to applications where to keep familarity for its users, they have to go against the HIG (Maya, for example). However, for the people who made the HIG… and BROKE it for no apparent reason except for looks… that’s what I’m against. If Apple can go against the HIG now, later on, they would go against it more. And applications would start using what they think is right, not what’s consistent with the rest of the platform… In other words, my point is that Apple not following its own guidelines is killing off one of Mac’s biggest competitive egde – consistency.