Home > Windows > Windows Server 2003: Testing WindowsWindows Server 2003: Testing Windows Eugenia Loli 2003-05-25 Windows 31 CommentsSo, how is Microsoft is testing Windows in its labs? Read it at WinSuperSite. Update: Huh, a duplicate. My second ever (getting 30 years old yesterday it already affected my memory, it seems). 🙂About The Author Eugenia LoliEx-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker.Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 31 Comments 2003-05-25 7:50 pm This article mentions KDE many times yes, I’m aware it means Kentucky Dep. of Education 2003-05-25 7:52 pm I bet working their sucksYou have to use the default Luna theme 2003-05-25 7:55 pm Working their what? 2003-05-25 8:05 pm There is very little on how the various products actually get tested. How many tests? What kinds? How many open bugs? What percentage of customer submitted problems are ever tested? What percentage of the code base is covered by regression tests? Why do so many service packs introduce hundreds of new bugs that the customers end up finding?Sounds like Microsoft put together some dog and pony show to convince their large customers something is being done vs. nothing. The fact that Microsoft had to put together ‘gee, we really do test the software’ demos shows that people don’t believe the software is tested very well.Microsoft knows creating hype about testing is still cheaper than actually doing any testing. 2003-05-25 8:21 pm This really isn’t fully testing, it’s more of a seeing how customers use the product and adjusting accordingly.What I’d like to see Microsoft do is split a bunch of engineers off into a seperate group and have them try to hack the servers they’re testing. Have them use every script kiddie trick in the book (and write some new ones) to break their servers. THEN fix the product so it can’t happen out in the wild. 2003-05-25 8:24 pm Still way to much money for this product. 2003-05-25 8:31 pm This article was posted APRIL 28th!Please don’t just copy and paste everything you see on SlashDot. Those screwhead penguinistas aren’t exactly known for checking what they post for timeliness or a previous identical posting. 2003-05-25 8:38 pm You’ve travelled down this road before. http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3428 2003-05-25 9:05 pm you don’t look a day over 25! 2003-05-25 9:10 pm 30. I remember 30. The good old days. 😉 2003-05-25 10:32 pm happy birthday eugeniaflorian 2003-05-25 10:32 pm “30. I remember 30. The good old days. ;-)”Oh gee, thanks! Time to break out the preservatives. 2003-05-25 10:36 pm 10 years to 40!!! woo hoo 2003-05-25 10:55 pm You know, this means your now half way to 60. Congratulations. 2003-05-25 11:14 pm I’ll be 30 in two more weeks. And since I plan to live to 120 that means my life will officially be 25% over. 2003-05-25 11:27 pm Happy birthday!!!! 2003-05-26 12:40 am Hi, I’ve been a long time Unix/Linux user and I am considering trying out Windows XP since a lot of the posters here proclaim it is superior. I have some questions:1) What is the Windows equivalent of LyX? Its a powerful markup tool for writing complex documents.2) I have 3 computers at home, one is a powerful server box the other two are crap (Pentium 200…) currently I use them as X terminals running programs from the server. How do I achieve this with Windows? Does Windows support the X11 protocol or will I need to download additional software?3) How is software installation on Windows? Is it as easy as rpm, apt-get, emerge and BSD ports?4) What kind of development tools does Windows ship with? Is it the GNU toolchain, or a proprietary set of compilers? 2003-05-26 12:48 am Why don’t you ask the forums? 2003-05-26 12:56 am 1. You could install Miktex and use an editor such as Winedt to work with Latex source.2. You could install Cygwin, which provides X.3. Most would say it’s easier than those, obtain the setup file and “run” it.4. None, but you could install something like Cygwin again to get a GNU toolchain. 2003-05-26 1:13 am Cute farce I’ll bite, just in case you’re serious.It runs on a P2 350 decently (my home computer). Here are my system specs:P2 – 350SDRAM 128mbRage 128 Video Card 4mb RamAsus 440 BX motherboardNo monitor, keyboard, or mouse.2 Network Cards 1 Linksys LNE100TX, 1 3Com 3C900B2 HDD, 1 40gig, and 1 80gigI’m using pretty much the same configuration you are. I’m using that as my house server to run applications remotely that are not avaliable on my apple laptop, as well as acting as my internet gateway.If you want to run all of your linux tools that you have now, I’d suggest installing CgyWin. You can find an installer for it online doing a google search. Its not too hard to setup. This will give access to a lot of standard linux/GPL tools. That you can then run from the server, remotely. This way you won’t have to find windows software equivalents for everything you do now. Also it saves me the trouble of guessing what LyX is or what it exactly it does, and finding an equivalent. As for connecting to your windows server, you can use SSH in CgyWin along with X to setup a remote system that way. Which you might be more familiar with, or you can use remote desktop like I do to remotely connect into your windows server using Terminal Services. Most current linux distros include programs that are terminal services clients. Which will work fine with your linux dumb terminals. This will give you full shell access just like forwarding X over SSH would do. Personally, I use remote desktop on mac to access my machine when I want to run something remotely.In terms of installing programs how easy it is can be broken down into two categories: installing native windows software, and installing linux software into cgywin. Windows native software is pretty easy to install if you are patient – by patient I mean if you don’t mind clicking “next” brainlessly multiple times. Other wise you can make it as complex as you want choosing features you want to install or not install and where you want things to be installed. For installing software into CgyWin its a bit more difficult. If only because you will be installing your programs into an emulated environment so not everything is completely supported.In terms of development tools Windows ships with by default, there are not any unless you want to count notepad. Windows XP is targeted at a normal every day user and C/C++/C# are not required college classes yet. However if you want you can like I said above use the GNU tools for software development. In fact I’d recommend that for you since you’re already familiar with them. If you do want to try a native windows IDE, there are many that you can buy – but they are rather expensive. 2003-05-26 1:45 am Hey, thank you everyone. 2003-05-26 3:23 am Happy Birthday, Eugenia!Yes, I remember 30…although it’s getting pretty dim now. I’m 51. It’s really weird being 51. I still like birthdays though. 2003-05-26 6:56 am happy biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirthday to Eugenia, happy birthday to youhip hiphoooray !hope ya had a good 30th ! only six years to go and you’ll be as old as me heh cheersanyweb 2003-05-26 7:20 am This should make you feel right at home: RTFM! 2003-05-26 9:26 am Happy Bitrhday Eugenia …. Loss of memory at 30, what will happened at 40 ? And again, happy birthday to you !!Zig 2003-05-26 10:55 am What does a birthday have to do with this topic? Nevertheless, happy b-day.Lets start talking about Amiga or Linux or something equally off-topic, shall we? 2003-05-26 2:05 pm With all the hoopla fow win2003, Linux has proven to me being stable and secure.I for one am never going back to blue screen of death no matter what ms marketing is pushing. 2003-05-26 6:23 pm Hey Eugenia, just think, you are now closer to 40 than 20!Is that why they call us “over-the-hill”. 😉 2003-05-26 10:12 pm Don’t forget that you can download the .NET SDK free (as in beer) from the Microsoft website, which will give you the compiler toolchains and frameworks and documentation for .NET development.There are a bunch of free editors and IDEs (e.g. SharpDevelop ) if you don’t want to buy VS.NET (for which there is a student edition at very low cost).Mono builds and runs nicely on .NET, but is still in Beta.If you want to play with .NET technologies at the nitty gritty level (but don’t plan to contribute to Mono!), then you can take a look at Rotor, and its Gyro extension – Microsoft’s Shared Source implementation of the specs. Note that this isn’t the whole .NET Framework, though.http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframework/http://www.icsharpcode.net/opensource/sd/http://www.go-mono.orghttp://www.sscli.net/http://gyro.sscli.net/ 2003-05-27 2:51 am Microsoft does testing? I figured they just posted ISOs in ridiculously easy to guess locations for people who either; have to deal with their products to get paid twice a month, or, love Microsoft and think almost everything they sell doesn’t suck, then wait to see the comments posted in usenet groups. It would be a little more consistent with their business practices than actually doing testing. Oh, I don’t hate Microsoft or anything else, Motocross Madness is the only computer game that has ever held my attention for more than ten minutes and I bought my girlfriend a WebTV and that thing NEVER crashed, not once. Too bad it got ruined in a house fire. However, if Microsoft would concentrate on their products that make my life easier instead of miserable at times, I would view the company a little differently. 2003-05-27 5:52 am Microsoft didn’t make WebTV; they bought it. If Microsoft had made WebTV, it would have crashed and crashed, just like Microsoft Windows for Cellphones.